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The event of 2013 Korea-EU Youth Dialogue is fast approaching - Only two days ahead!
Hope you all are getting along well, having some interesting ideas, and making progress in preparing for the presentation.
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Wish the three days of Youth Dialogue will be filled with unforgettable experience.


Hello :) Im sorry that Im writing this so late :))
1) What do you think are the main problems hindering full integration right now? As we all now, money is always reason no. 1... In case of candidate countries: Iceland was a good candidate, but nowadays its new govenment is against full integration into EU, accepting € and so on... On the other hand Turkey, Macedonia and Montenegro are not so good candidates... Macedonia and Montenegro dont have strong economy and they are not even in the middle of their path to become a members of EU... Turkey is kinda different - They have strong economy, big population (around 75 mil. - almost the same as Germany) and good opportunity for open trade market.. On the other side they still dont respect human rights for 100% and they have a lot of problems with neighbour countries (Cyprus, Armenia, now Syria) and ofcourse there will be problem between christians/atheists and muslims...

2)What do you think that EU should do to overcome regional mistrust/conflicts/hindrances to integration? Well I think that the integration should not be pushed hard... There will always be a lot of differences between each nations and some level on nationalism... But what we can see in our past is, that everyone can colaborate with each other without some permanent serious troubles... After WW2 a lot happened between axis countries and allies countries... And now they can live together without any difficulties.. But this is situation in west and central europe... If you will look to the Balkan, you will see more problems... After Yugoslavia fall, civil war there was really brutal and it is not so deep in the past, It happened in 90s... Now, there is peace OFC, but still you can feel the preasure between all the nations... Croatia is only former Yugoslavic country that is in EU (they joined EU on 1st of July, 2013)... So there will be a lot of work you solve these issues... Although it will not be easy I think there is a solution...

I hope my opinion will be useful and Im looking forward to read yours ;) See you in few days! :)

Problem of EU integration:

Continuous expansion of the EU is
one of the problems in EU integration that will generate more immigration into
Western Europe, bringing with it numerous problems, such as inadequate

The last two countries to join the
European Union (EU) on January 1st, 2007 were Bulgaria and Romania. Despite
their membership in EU, migrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania still face
restrictions in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, France, Luxembourg,
Austria, the UK and Malta, which are set to be lifted in 2014.Immigrants from
these two countries cannot receive welfare or vote in local elections for the
first seven years of residency. Italy lifted all restrictions against
Bulgarians and Romanians on January 1, 2012. Germany and France have eased
access for immigrants from both countries, while Switzerland will not lower
restrictions until 2014 (Sofia News Agency, 2012).

The entry into the EU brings with it
many advantages for the joining countries, such as trade, cultural exchange and
economic growth. However, for the existing member states, this expansion tends
to trigger certain fears, most notably the issues of migration and integration.
Many richer member states are worried about being overrun by workers from
poorer member states. While the free movement of its citizens is one of the basic
liberties of the EU, it is often associated with political anxiety.

Hi Guys,

I am really sorry I write so late but I had enormous amount of stuff to do... 

As far as I am concerned it is wise to use EU unification example to strengthen the Northeast Asian relations. However, it is not going to be easy since there are fewer potential members of such union and they differ strongly. 
They are encoutering such problems like nationalism in terms of reluctance towards one another or serious territorial disputes (e.g. Dokdo, Diaoyu). What could be uniting them are problems they are facing e.g. North Korea nuclear power acquisitions, however China still maintains diplomatic relations with them while South Korea is in permanent war so it is hard to find base for cooperation. Especially that China is improving their army which is against expectations of Japan and South Korea. 
We have to remember that EU was set just after the II World War in order to avoid such conflicts in the future which might be the case in Northeast Asia as well. European Union started with steel and coal community to decrease German influence and control over resoruces which could be another idea for Northeast Asia to cooperate. 
Moreover, China has a lot of labor power to offer while Korea and Japan developed high technology over the years that creats a common ground to create a partnership. 
I believe that Chiang Mai Initiative should be pursued further as an efficient start of the talks. For instance, creating Central Bank or fiscal system in long-term could help countries fight agains crises together since financial reserves would be managed mutually and price stability in the region would be maintained. After that mutual parliament, court of justice and government/commission could be formed.
While Korea and Japan have all means to create an efficient union, the main difficulty will be including China in it. I think this will be the main topic of our analysis.

Cannot wait to start working with you guys on our problem. See you in Brussels!

Collaborative discussion (Dec 5th 9pm GMT)
This was  2nd Collaborative Discussion with European and Korean students.

Collaborative Discussion:

EU Students+Korean Students

Present: Jisoo, Sooyoung , Zdenek , Radek, 

I hope you guys got to check out our community page.
I posted a short history of EU integration there

Yeah I saw them~
<Jiso Kang>

If you have any research or findings or even short links, please please post them there.
It adds to our participation points
Comments are good too

okay~ I think the last part, that EU integration went through as economic> social> culture  order really gives some path for finding solution to Northeast Asia 
I should write this in the webpage 😃
<Jiso Kang>

Oh, that would be great hehe
Well, yesterday we left off at the question of "how CHina, Japan and Korea could learn from the EU regarding regional integration"
Particularly in relations to banking/finance. Any new ideas?

Well, I'd start with the main issue - I think that China's fiscal policy is really unclear so it will be extremely difficult to create a common financial system for these three countries. I believe Japan and Korea can pull that off though. But are we going to consider any other countries? 

I agree! So I thought maybe NE asian countries could cooperate by establishing some sort of early warning system and a preferential exchange rate arrangement for each other

I have a question... About the financal crysis.. Since 2008 the situation is still not good as we know.. It started is US and hit Europe hard (Greece, Portugal, Ireland... Lately Spain and Italy, ...) ... What about Notheast Asia? What is the financal situation there now?

The recession hit us too, definitely, however we have recovered quicker than European countries

Yeap, as the world is so connected is business and stuff it had to happened I think... Do you know anything why did you get from this easier then EU states?

This is because Korea adopted safety methods such as current account surplus and a uid up of foreign reserves
*a build up of foreign reserves
The Korean government kept a tight control on short term debts since the Asian financial crisis in 1997.
I'm not too sure about Japan and China though... on what policies they had exactly
Japan was hit much harder than Japan but I remember they had some currency manipulation last year
They devalued their currency and extended their exports, I think.
According to the Financial Times: China demonstrated that one advantage of an authoritarian government is that it can inject massive doses of stimulus quickly and order banks to lend. The policy has been so successful that the Chinese central bank now is restraining bank lending to avoid over-stimulating the economy and provoking bubbles in asset markets.   

well, it's always difficult to form unions when countries are suffering from crisis. however, I think we are preparing plan for future and currently global economy is recovering. I think it might be a good idea if we justify our thinking with a simple message - it is gonna be easier for Asian countries to fight next crisis together

Yeah, that's true 
 I think they should create more systems like the Chiang Mai Initiative 
(common hold of foreign currency reserves)
So maybe institutions for research and mechanisms for financial security? 
What was it like for the EU before the common currency?

Yes, so in the first point it should be about the economy huh... As it was in EU...

Does everyone agree that they should first take steps in fiscal/economical cooperation?   

I think so..
You think that they should not?

I also kinda agree to simply see the European integration.. 
<Jiso Kang>

well, I'd start with the main point - EU was founded after II world war in order to integrate Europe more and use the effects of synergy in the economics but also to avoid potential wars. Since there is a threat from North Korea, I think this might be the case in NE Asia as well. However, do you think we can include any other countries? I have doubts about China. Maybe Taiwan? Singapore?
sorry, I didn't wanna change the topic. if it comes to financial cooperation I think mutual bank would be good start
like European Central Bank

Isnt Singapore kinda Swiss or Monaco of Asia? 
Like they dont want to get involved into some kind of political pact?

Yes, I also think a bank would be a fantastic idea.

I think,,, If the establish some stable economic foundation, it will be more easier to go on for the political and social step
<Jiso Kang>

In fact, there have been talks about creating a Northeast Asia bank but they haven't been actively followed up.   
Yes, I agree with Jisoo
As for Singapore, it's in the ASEAN network which is kind of like the EU but less integrated
So southeast asian countries have their own fiscal cooperation system and Korea, Japan and China are included in some of them as "ASEAN+3"

Talks by who? Korea? Japan? 

what kind of talks were there? 
which countires participated?

Talks by policy research institutions in Korea! Hang on, I'll just find the pdf file
Oh, it's was suggestions by the Korean Institution for International Economic Planning 
I'll just send it to you guys
Any more thoughts??

exactly, do we know what other countries potentially interested in such initiative?

The idea of establishing a Northeast Asian Development Bank 
(NEADB) has been around since at least 1991. 
These efforts eventually led to the creation of an Ad Hoc Committee 
for the Establishment of the Northeast Asian Development Bank (“the 
Committee”) that met in Tianjin, China, from May 11-13, 2000.
So I guess it's been an old agenda between CHina, Japan and Korae but it hasn't been actively pursued since the  2000s.
just emailed the file to you guys!

well, then maybe let's make a point that it would be wise to get back to talks?
got it


Yeah, I think that would be wise
So a common bank. what should be its main operations?

price stability
i think it's important since Japan had problems with deflation lately

They should manage financial reserve as well right...

Yes, maybe an extension of the Chiang Mai Initiative

yeah, they should manage reserves

Also, giving loans to corporations?
The European central bank also sells bonds right?

Not sure...

I think it's a good idea to extended Chiang Mai initative

By that do you mean NE asian countries should have their own pool of reserves?

So far, for banking:
- Resume talks on the creation of a common bank which will deal with: price stablility and inflation/deflation control, management of foreign reserves, loans to local corporations. 
any more ideas or should we move on?

Maybe as <Radek> said... Should we consider any other country for this? 

Well, neighboring countries have their own economic integration such as the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) but Korea, China and Japan lack such exclusivity 

OK... So you think that we should stay on Korea, Japan, China yeap? 😃

I think so, but I’m willing to hear more opinions though

if China doesn't cooperate we can invite Taiwan?

Well I think that there is not any other economically significant country right?
Well yeah, maybe Taiwan right...

inviting Taiwan will risk diplomacy with china, i think it would be seen as an act of ignoring China's sovereignty or authority
as Taiwan 's independence is still an issue
good point...

how about a trilateral FTA between C, J and K?
to extend from banking to a wider economic cooperation?

okay, there is no point in threatening China since we would need them

I think that China will be a big issue here, cause theie policy and state leadeship is still decades behing K and J right...

yes, China is main issue, we can agree on that. but do you think Korea and Japan will have easy agreement?

I dont ofc....

companies here are eager to enter the chinese market and ther are already many businesses operating over there
So I think having a trilateral FTA will facilitate easier trade and give stability

And how is the govement oppinion on the FTA? 
Was there any thoughts going on about that?

Yeah since China and Korea are the main trading coutries..  
yeah i read some article about that FTA
they said there were discussion twice and the third is comming..
<Jiso Kang>

korea is currently in talks of a China-Korea FTA but as Jisoo said, the three countries are major trading partners of each other so a trilateral FTA should be a welcomed move? 

And I think this FTA is quite unrealistic because of the tension going on like nuclear of NK and past historical dispute...
<Jiso Kang>

yeah, so maybe they should start with mutual agreement between Japan and Korea?

I think that history is worse issue than NK...

EU also didn't start as 28 nation agreement

Or not?

Well, I guess, following your opinions, Korea could act as a mediator between the three economies?

well chine is on the beggining of their new "bussines" era... And K and J have more experiences right...
So it should be K or J...
But Chine will not like to play side role I guess...

Korea, I think. As Japan and China have too much hate for each other right now haha

China wants to go and win everything, I think it might be wiser to concentrate on Korea and Japan first

I agree, Zdenek. China definitely won't want to be on the sidelines.
So to summarise: start more FTA talks between Korea and Japan and gradually merge into trilateral relations?

Well in the beggining of EU was easier that there were west countries and east countries... east was a part of soviet union, so they were off the table and west (benelux and france) was more united even before...
Am I right 

I was talking about the hate between NE Asia countries...
So maybe K and J shout start something and after successful start maybe invite China? So China cant play the dominant role in it?

you are right Zdenek, it was definitely easier
and there were more players
Korea and Japan are only ones that can pull it off now
otherwise they would have to subordinate to Chiense rules

I think CHina would be more willing to cooperate economically (not politically though of course) because there are already lots of business and industrial interests between the three nations
that's why despite the territorial disputes, disagreementsover NK, the three nations remain top trading partners

yeap... BTW is there any chance that USA will want to "help"? You know how they want to be in charge of everything and now they are kinda scared by Chinese growth... Im not saying they should be involved definitely... But you know how they act everywhere :)

I don't think China would be pleased if USA were involved

yeap, definitely not... 

i agree. and the asian nations should have a network of their own
well, as you know, Korea and Japan have lots of high tech industries but lack many minterals or resources. so they have to buy a lot from china. Meanwhile, china doesn't have as developed technology. 
Also, they are all very interested in procuring renewable energy and resources. What do you think about collaborative investment and development?
After all, the EU started with the Steel and Coal community

Well yeah 
They started like this and after that they made The European Economic Community...

that's another good point to start with

So... EU started with Steel and Coal Community, than Economic, than Atomic Energy and after that they put it together to the "European Communities"

To add, Korean president is currently insisting to make co-market between Northeast Asia... 
<Jiso Kang>

it's even better if there is a positive political climate towards integration

Oh, that's very true! 😀
 THey should definitely cooperate in environmental issues
oh nevermind, i mis understood LOL

To see evolve of EU here is link to wikipedia - at the end of the page there is some kind of graf which shows how it was done.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community <Zdeněk>

yeah, if you see the history of integration, they start with the economic community, then create a customs union (removed or preferential tariffs), followed by a single market (free movement of labour, products and services)

Well envitomental issue will be really hard topic - look at chinese industry now 😀

no worries <Jennie>, I think environmental issues could be another point of cooperation 😃

As for the political part, as the EU tackled more social aspects like immigration (not requiring passports at borders) and created institutions for politics, decades after the initial economic cooperation, I think N/E asia could jmaybe do the same?
As they all have economic interests in common right now, though political clashes. They would have to eventually cooperate with each other socially and politically like the EU did because there are too much business and money involved
Haha thanks, <Radek> 😀

Well immigration is rly big issue... Not is Schengen space, but in the Schengen boarder it is 😃

I'd be careful with creating Asian Schengen zone, can you imagine how many Chinese could come and work in Japan and Korea?

I remember when CR and Slovakia joined Schenger EU was worried about emigrants from Ukraine 
A lot! 

That's already sort of happening. THey shouldn't open up borders like the schengen agreements, of coursebut it's just an example of how social integration comes after economics,i think. 
I think maybe if economic integration intensifies, there will naturally be more demand for mobility between the three countries so immigration matters will be inevitable. But then schengen would be highly improbable for asia. hopefully!!?

they definitely shouldn't start with it, maybe in the future. or maybe only between Japan and Korea?

maybe it would be possible between japan and korea but to a much lesser degree as the countrieswill still have strong nationalism

plus you don't have borders since Japan is an island, I don't think we should pursue this topic

Haha hear hear
unless its a special policy for eager swimmers 
Hmm, we've talked about Economy (banking and industry) as well as the Integration process (that social/politics would come later). 
Any additions or new ideas?

well, maybe parliament?
court of justice?
and if there would be parliament then of course some kind of government is needed ,like EU commision

While that would be very ideal for the three nations, it might be hard to achieve straight away since Korea and Japan are open market democracies while China is still a somewhat closed socialist society

I didn't say it will be easy 😃
 I think that Korea and Japan should start working closer and ideally China will join them later

I think that ist impossible in near future... Since China is still not fully respecting human rights... 😕

yeah, i agree. while it may be possible it would probably happen in many decades to come.

guys, I am really sorry but they are kicking me out of the library since it is midnight here 😞

for korea aand japan maybe having common policy institutes or political institutions would help. direct governmental collaborations would be very hard due to historical disputes and nationalism
well before you go!!

i still have one minute, hit me! 😃

we have to discuss the EU reunificati nopart so everyone, let's post our main opinions and what you think are problems with EU unity on the community boards by 9pm GMT tomorrow??
i don't think another hangout is possible since we're all busy and we have to get to brussels over the weekend!
A briefing of today's discussion will be uploaded (following yesterday's) and tomorrow, I'll make our posts into a powerpoint presentation summarizing everything we've discussed online.

cool, I'll try to do that, can you send me it by e-mail though? logging out now sorry

Ok, great!

sure, i'll send everyone an email.
just remember 9pm GMT tomorrow, post your parts 😃

Hi everyone,

My name is Alex.
Happy to be in your team
Right, I have just been confirmed yesterday that my application went through, so I haven't booked anything yet and haven't bought anything as well.
probably have to do it today

I´m really sorry, but I had some difficulties to join this community. But now I´m finally here :) I think we all met yesterday on Hangouts, but still - nice to meet you guys! :)

Collaborative discussion (Dec 4th 9pm GMT)
This was the first total discussion with European and Korean students.

Collaborative Discussion:

EU Students+Korean Students

Present: Jisoo, Sooyoung , Zdenek , Radek, Jinpyo

Discussion part 1: Situation in Northeast Asia: Some problems with integration

Economic factors:
1. China, Japan and Korea are competitors in the global market
2. There is a large gap between living standards or per capita GDP between citizens of Japan and Korean compared to China.

Political factors:
1. Nationalism plays a key role in hindering Northeast Asian coexistence
- Conflicts throughout history leading to suspicions and mistrust of each other
- Territorial disputes over Dokdo and Diaoyu Islands
2. Recent events of China's air zone, Japan's eagerness for militarization
3. Japan's reluctance to accept history

Social factors:
1. Anti-Japanese sentiments in Korea and China, and vice versa
2. Boycott of each others' products

Discussion part 2European nations were constant at odds or in conflicts throughout history. What could Korea take home from this example?
- If Poland and Germany can cooperate, as well as France, Germany and England, there is a chance for Northeast Asian countries too
- There is still pressure between some countries in the EU (Ukraine and Russia)
- While Northeast Asian countries don't show as much willingness to work together, European nations want to play in the same team.

Discussion part 3: What could Korea learn from the EU integration?
- The EU started with the European Coal and Steel community, then a common market, single currency, social mobility and finally political unity.
- Perhaps Korea, China and Japan can invest in a key industry that they could all benefit from such as renewable energy or resources as it is an area of common interest.
- Perhaps Northeast Asian countries could cooperate more in banking and finance, building up a fiscal or financial system in common, much like the EU.
- Background: the Chiang Mai initiative

Wrap up for the day.

Agenda for tomorrow's discussion (Dec 5th, 9pm GMT): More research on banking and fiscal institutions of the EU, the history of EU integration, and possible solutions for EU reunification and Northeast Asian coexistence.

EU Integration:

The beginnings of today's European Union started with the European Coal and Steel community founded by Belgium, France, Germany Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands in 1950.
This marked economic cooperation in achieving both industrial growth and political cooperation after the World Wars.

In 1957, the Treaty of Rome created the Common Market among the European Economic Community.

The 1960s saw a boom in the economies of EU countries, encouraged by the end of custom duties between member states.

The 1970s saw expansion of the European Union with Denmark, Ireland and the UK joining as new members in 1973.
The European Parliament's influence in EU affairs began to expand.

In the 1980s, the Single Market was created with the Single European Act (186).
The fall of the Berlin wall=> Reunification of East and WEst Germany.

In the 1990s, European integration became all the more stronger with the creation of the Single Market in 1993 with four freedoms (Movement of goods, services, people andmoney).
The Maastricht Treat in 1993 and the Treaty of Amsterdam dealt with social affairs: environmental, security and defence matters.
The Schengen agreemements allowed people to travel freely without having their passports checked at borders.

The Treaty of Lisbon was ratified in 2009, establishing more EU institutions and working methods (strengthening EU political power)

With this brief timeline of EU integration, it can be seen that the regional integration took place in the order of:
Economic cooperation, social and cultural integration and finally political collaboration.

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