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Using a depression forum - Conclusion

Firstly a summary of what does not work in a forum and some other issues.

One thing many of you don't know at all.

That is THERE IS NO CURE FOR DEPRESSION. No, none. Anyone who says they have been cured is lying.ALternates DO NOT WORK and just cost money and waste your time.

You see, once you have been way down in depressed land, you see so much bad behaviour, feel so much hate from others to others, you see war everywhere, that's real and has been around since humans first stood on two feet instead of four. We always fight. Why not, we have Neanderthal DNA in us even today. Not some Africans though. Just the rest of us.

Now, once you have seen life from that angle and you KNOW it's all there, corruption, lies, deceit and the worst behaviours you can imagine. Once you have seen that and know that, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU EVER GOING TO FORGET IT? You cannot.

Which is why I say there is NO CURE for depression and never will be. Not until ALL humans change their behaviour and act as fake Jesus taught. Do you understand this? You have depression and you hope to have it cured don't you? Won't happen as your memory tells you the misery is ALWAYS there, regardless of how good you feel.

The only possibility is selective memory removal. And that is not a possibility at all at least for now. Apart from that of course, even if you did have all the depressed misery times removed from your memory, it's still there in real life so why wouldn't you see it all again and become depressed again? You would.

THERE IS A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM. The problem of having depression and not having it dominate your life. I've told many people what needs doing to achieve this but do you think anyone listens and actually does the work I did to be where I am, and have been for about a decade? It's all about learning as much as you can about your illness and learning to live with your depression, without feeling the horrors you do now. It is highly possible, I have done it and so have millions of others. Why not you too?

No way, what would HE know? More than most is what I know and I can give you that knowledge but only if you will accept it and do what is detailed, regardless of how long it takes. It is mainly about a good shrink and working closely with them to find what helps most. I only can give you general directions as I don't know you like a shrink will.I know most of you do not have what it takes and will always float around in your misery, blaming everyone but yourself.

There is ONLY one person to blame for the depression you have. And that is YOU. Why? Because all the negative thoughts that race around your brain constantly are YOUR thoughts. Someone tells you that you are useless, ugly, a moron, an idiot, whatever. And you believe them and add that to your mental soundtrack that creates, nurtures and grows your illness. And it does get huge before you break down. If someone tells you are beatiful or clever you don't believe that and wonder what they were after by telling you that. It was actuially a compliment but your illness makes it another insult.

Change of tack here. Some things you need to stop doing here :

. Firstly all children must leave this Community, Anyone under 18 has no chance of understanding this world of depression in the way it is discussed in this Community, and cannot ever accept it so they just make life a misery for everyone else. They MUST GO. They use ridiculous names, never understand anything properly, use text talk when it's a forum and waste everyone's time by niggling, whingeing, making suicide threats, wanting to "talk" one on one which is a BIG no no.

DO NOT arrange hangoputs or offer yourself "TO TALK" to others. People post here and it is you that must reply, not advertise your limited ability to talk it out.

Like most kids, you kids are just annoying to people who are serious about getting better. And most of you attack people who try to help and I don't really know why. I suspect it's just because you don't understand what is being discussed or written. So you want to spoil it for others. And you do spoil it, ruin it and no one trusts anyone after a while.

I repeat here. All under age 18 MUST leave this Community and go join one that is suited to you. There are plenty of teenage Communities where you can go and leave the adults here in peace. Which we need more than I can say.I should say here that anyone UNDER 18 who is not like the rest of the kids is most welcome.

No, there's no rule about this as the owner is absent. It's just common sense that you go away and leave adults alone and play with other kids. I will make a mission of attacking your drivel if you really want to stay. And you know I can, and have.

Anyone who is a self harmer should also leave here as, again there are specific Communities for you and the rest of us don't want to see it, read about it or hear it AT ALL. Don't get all angry because we don't want you and shit like that. We are not here to be your personal saviours. We are here for ourselves, not those who destroy what we could have here.

Anyone who has opinions about what is wrong needs to start learning they are wrong. How do they know they are wrong? Simply because THEY decided to come to a site like this. If their theory was working, why the fuck would they be here? Simple logic tells us they have a failed idea driving them and they must change that or just throw it away and start learning.The two I mentioned in a previous post are perfect examples of this. They come here, looking for help but when it is offered, they get angry and deny it aS IT DOES NOT SUIT their UNINFORMED OPINIONS. They cannot learn is the problem. As they still think they are right. They are not.

You will only survive whilst having depression by coming to know what it is, why it does what it does and how it causes you to feel and react.You must read up on symptoms, see a doctor, my advice is that only a shrink is best suited to dealing with depression. Talk therapy psychs can help but only after a shrink has helped raise your mood to where you can learn CBT. If you want to go to just a GP, good luck with that. They have little idea at all about meds and that's all they can offer. Apart from referrals to specialists.

If you say you can't afford it I would ask what drugs do you buy, what alcohol do you drink and what do you smoke? You see all of those things are really expensive and I know you spend money on that rather than someone who could help you stop suffering. But you won't, will you?

There's one person on this Community who carries the tag of "Moderator". There may be more than one but I've only noticed this one. She will know as I posted to her asking her to do her job. She hasn't, in fact she complains about people and never does anything a moderator should.

A moderator should preferably not be involved in day to day exchanges and should mainly read what's going on and intervene when necessary. I used to do it and I gave it up as it prevented me saying what I needed to say. Moderators should never give advice at all, just moderate. They should be known but not through exchanging posts. Just name them so we know who you are.

Trolls. So many of you children are obsessed by the word troll, as if it actually means something. It doesn't. Many have called me a troll and when they do I ask them to define what a troll is and what they do. No one has ever been able to answer that. I do not believe there are many trolls, if any, at all. There certainly are people who just want to fuck up anything they can. They are not trolls, just fuckwits.

I have found that if someone calls you a troll, they do so because they don't know what else to say as you disagree with them and they have no answer. So they call you a troll. It indicates they are lacking knowledge and they just want to insult you and hope you don't want an answer or whatever.

It is mainly children who are obsessed by the notion of trolls and they should leave here as I have said above. Others would just not use that word as it means nothing at all.

Creating new Depression sites. Quite a few people have decided they will go and start a new Community "Where there are no trolls and YOU will be safe". That's the bullshit they put on their "invites" and people are expected to believe that.

Let me destroy the image they try to present to you. Firstly, the invites I have seen here to people the breakaways want to join them include "trolls" so they are taking them with them. They haven't even considered the people who use multiple ID's and they will add nasties to their new site.

If you want to know how many Depression forums there are here, I dare you to scroll through the Communities list and count them. Go on, have a look.

I scrolled for about an hour and had passed 100 sites before I gave up. Most of those sites have between 1 and 10 people in each. That is useless as you get NO variation in advice. Those that start new Communities have no idea how much work there is to run this and find they end up spending most of their time trying to keep everything OK. If they get a few people they will sink under the pressure of what they started. It's pointless.

Having been a member here for a couple of years, using other Google forums as well, in addition to writing on Depression forums world wide for the last 15 years I have some conclusions and facts I would like to state here, they are above. Note that I started using Depression forums as someone who knew little to nothing and was desperate for help. As such the internet was a miracle for myself and most people who suffer depression and many other illnesses. As well as many interest groups.

How? Well, simply put, we found we were NOT the only one!! As that's how I felt until I used the internet. I was the ONLY one ever and it felt so bad I wanted it all to end. Yes, I went there many times but decided I wanted to live. Having refused that thought once I knew I never needed to do what the thought asked of me. I just had to wait until that thought passed.Very hard sometimes but those thoughts have ALWAYS been temporary.

Having just written the post explaining what is necessary to have a well run and useful forum I was surprised that only 3 replied. And even more surprised when I found 2 of those three to be "loonies" as I classify them.

The only person who said anything decent was Lee Pedrick who wrote "Thank you". Thank you again to Lee.

The other two are really representative of nearly all the rest of you. These two both refused any advice and apparently always have. As such they remain ill, depressed with no relief in sight as they do not follow the recognised path back to wellness.They have an opinion stuck in their heads and nothing is going to change that. Nothing.

Anything EXCEPT good advice they will believe.I have to say I was very much like that before I used the internet. I wouldn't even talk about depression and did NOT know I had it until I was aged 35. In fact I had it from 1961, age 10.

Yes, and I didn't know it. You see I just thought everyone felt like I did. They didn't but how was I to know? My life seemed fine as I was always in the top 3 in all classes at school, no study ever done. I always had many friends and I always became the one the rest looked to for ideas, leading if you like.

I always had girlfriends, never even had to ask, they just came to me. The music was the love of my life really. The Beatles era and ever since music has dominated in my mind.

I say those things not to boast at all. Merely to show you my life was fairly good and seemingly succesful. No one could tell I had PTSD from age 10. I didn't know, how could they?

At age 35 I had a marriage breakdown and lost everything. I had two sets of massive grief to deal with. The lot from 1961 and the lot from the marriage breakup. I lost my kids, my home, car, all my possessions, clothes, the lot. Nothing from before that day it was finished. So no memories to look back on. I broke down badly of course and it was the start of many years of misery for me. I wouldn't go to a shrink, no way.

I'd go and see a GP and get a prescription and use that until I felt OK. At which stage I decided I was better so gave them up. Of course I broke down again, and again, and again. Slow learner, me. The idea is if you find something that helps you hang on to it for dear life.

Until I finally learnt!!

...trolls and bullies thrive on making life more difficult for those who give them permission to do so with their name calling and their threats...kind of sad when you think about it...that is all that they feel that they have to do to justify making them feel like they are somebody...they are tortured souls that need to be pitied. felt sorry for but not taken seriously enough for you to be affected by them in any destructive manner...sorry to burst any bubbles but these 'entities' will always be there, trying to tear you down with their limited, demeaning vocabularies, their hate, their inabilities to distinguish right from wrong...you need to dismiss their attempts in their attempts to be creative and find whatever way they can to hurt you...they are nothing and,sadly, will always be nothing to anyone but themselves...I have taken to see their attempts at creating discord and harm as laughable...these lame attempts are really rather funny...damning, but funny because I know what they are and whose they are and with that, they don't, can't or won't bother me...why waste energy on something that is nothing?...for the hell of it, just look for some of the reaction to this posting and you'll see what I mean...frustrated...me?...when you know the enemy, you can laugh at it and keep moving on...
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The message of love and truth of Meher Baba, God in human form

Meher Baba has helped me more than words can tell and I believe in him with all of my heart, so I want to spread his message of love and truth as much as possible. Meher Baba dictated that "Now is the time for all to understand that I am God in human form" and that his "Universal Message" should be spread "far and wide" and given "to all, irrespective of whether one believes in me or not". Its copyright is vested with www.ambppct.org.

The "Universal Message" of Meher Baba

I have come not to teach but to awaken. Understand therefore that I lay down no precepts.

Throughout eternity I have laid down principles and precepts, but mankind has ignored them. Man's inability to live God's words makes the Avatar's teaching a mockery. Instead of practicing the compassion he taught, man has waged crusades in his name. Instead of living the humility, purity and truth of his words, man has given way to hatred, greed and violence.

Because man has been deaf to the principles and precepts laid down by God in the past, in this present Avataric Form I observe Silence. You have asked for and been given enough words — it is now time to live them. To get nearer and nearer to God you have to get further and further away from "I," "Me," and "Mine". You have not to renounce anything but your own self. It is as simple as that, though found to be almost impossible. It is possible for you to renounce your limited self by my Grace. I have come to release that Grace.

I repeat, I lay down no precepts. When I release the tide of Truth which I have come to give, men's daily lives will be the living precept. The words I have not spoken will come to life in them.

I veil myself from man by his own curtain of ignorance, and manifest my Glory to a few. My present Avataric Form is the last Incarnation of this cycle of time, hence my Manifestation will be the greatest. When I break my Silence, the impact of my Love will be universal and all life in creation will know, feel and receive of it. It will help every individual to break himself free from his bondage in his own way. I am the Divine Beloved who loves you more than you can ever love yourself. The breaking of my Silence will help you to help yourself in knowing your real Self.

All this world confusion and chaos was inevitable and no one is to blame. What had to happen has happened; and what has to happen will happen. There was and is no way out except through my coming in your midst. I had to come, and I have come. I am the Ancient One.

3 night in a row where the pain in my heart became so much I broke down and started crying... and I've got no where else to go for help...
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