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Who wins? Naruto vs. Luffy

Naruto is pre sage mode post rasenshuriken training, luffy is fight with lucci

Naruto can go to 4 tails but no further
Luffy can go gear second but no further
Battle is in a earth where there powers and abilities work as they normally would
Both are in character
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Who wins? Both are the versions in the pics below
Naruto can see ichigo and no soul crushing
location is hueco mundo
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HOW STRONG IS TSUNADE?

I've been wanting to make this post for a while now, but I've been pretty busy with school and real life shit lmao. Btw, please, if at all possible, if you are going to read to the endn then at least read each and every word carefully until you feel you have some understanding, that way you'll be able to best understand my argument.

Anyways, lets begin, how strong tsunade is.


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Now a susanoo in all its stages always has the same durability (this should be obvious at this point, as everything proves it and nothing contradicts it.)

And by this i dont mean v1 = v3 so on and so forth, but rather that this doesnt change for the user. For example i mean
V1 for madara = V1 for MS Sasuke

Therefore, there's ZERO reason to oppose this idea, unless theres something that actually contradicts it, which there certainly isnt.

Itachi tanked kirin, which is natural lightning using V2 Susanoo which is >>>V1.

It's a well known fact that kakashi cut a bolt of natural lightning before the events of part 1, as guidebooks anime and manga all state this on numerous occasions. And its not like there was only one occasion where it was stated that he did, no; on countless occasions (in the anime, manga, AND guidebooks) it was mentioned that kakashi cut lightning. So it's clearly an important enough event that it needed to be mentioned more than once. Also, whenever it was mentioned that he did, it was never in a humorous or exxagerative tone. So based off that alone, there's really no reason to doubt that he cut lightning, and there's absolutley ZERO reason to lie about him doing so, seeing as the feat was always mentioned by ninja in great regard and as a description to others to show how impressive kakashi was.

Also, the guidebook alone proves he did, since not only are guidebooks in general meant to give out important and true info (minus the hyperbole) but because they're written by the author themself or heavily supervised by them.

Also, the fact that kakashi cut lightning was what made him a benchmark for how physically strong other characters in the verse would be and are, so it makes sense that he did, making that sole purpose alone a good one.

Lastly, it was never specified which kakashi cut lightning or how tired he was when he did it, but we do know it HAD to be sometime before the chuunin exams, since gai (during chuunin exams) was the first person in the entire naruto story to have stated that kakashi cut lightning.

And we know kakashi at the beggining of part 2 during his training with naruto told naruto that naruto had 4x his chakra and that his own chakra was average sized.

Meaning beggining of part 2 kakashi (average ninja level physically w/o sharingan on) >> part 1 kakashi (chuunin exams) >> beggining of part 1 kakashi.

So even part 1 kakashi during the chuunin exams was atleast somewhat faster than the version of his self that cut lightning, as he definitley trained to some extent since then.

Lastly, it just makes sense power scaling wise for him to have cut lightning.


So a v2 susanoo tanked natural lightning, and kakashi during the chuunin exams was somewhat faster than natural lightning. Based off that, the question is how durable does something have to be to tank it? Lets break it down with an example of old fashioned commone sense:

Object A is 100 in terms of hardness
Object B is 101 in terms of hardness

I'd imagine if the two collided at the same exact force/speed, Object A would be the one taking damage, though very little, as its slightly less durable.

The same should apply with the susanoo. If v2 susanoo can outright take ZERO damage from kirin, then clearly it's atleast 2x as durable. Why 2x?

If A were 100 durability, and B were 101, then A is 1% as tough, thus able to do 1% damage. But if A were 100 and B were 200, that would put B 2x as durable, which is literally two A's combined. If any would be taking damage, it would be A, since its trying to basically hit something doubled as hard as itself. Common sense.

Furthermore, narutverses physics support this too:

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Naruto and sasuke on equal terms at VOTE2, until sasuke susanoo got bijuu amp, which allowed him to stomps naruto and his kurama avatar, who at one point had his fist turned to mush when it was thrown and hit the bijuu susanoo. Then naruto absorbed nature energy, and they were then on equal terms again and ended up stalemating.
Bijuu amp was 2x to sasukes susanoo which put him 2x naruto and naruto absorbed nature energy which 2x him to sasuke level.

So clearly being ATLEAST 2x is what it takes to tank something, atleast by our real world logic and narutoverses physics.

Overalln what does all this mean? Well it means that:

- v2 susanoo is atleast 2x more durable than the force of natural lightning,
-Those physically weaker than the average ninja can cut lightning

Tsunade barely cracked susanoo rib cage/v1 Susanoo which, (if we highball and wank v2 susanoo durability and say it had 10x durability over the kirin,) had 5x durability over the kirin.

Unfortunatley, there is still one thing that comes to question here:

If v1 susanoo has 5x durability over kirin and tsunade barely cracked it even in byakugou mode, meaning tsunade isnt much faster than lightning, then how is she a kage?

Well, the point of being a kage isnt simply being physically stronger than everyone else, the actual requirement is that you are the best suited to run the village, which goes beyond simply being strong as hell. It means having the best mindset to run the village more than anyone else. Every kage weve seen simply was fortunate enough to ALSO just have a shit ton of power aside from having the best mindset to run the village.

Byakugou is a huge boost, as in it tsunade punched a hole in edo madara's stomach (then again, madara was severely suppressed and also was EDO, which nerfed his body to an unspecified limit physically) so theres no way to say the exact multiplier for it but its always been presented as a huge boost for tsunade. For sake of argument lets just say it is.

Therefore tsunade in base is, (if we simply assume susanoo v1 is 5x kirin) around the strength of the version of kakashi that cut lightning. And again, the kakashi that cut lightning was some unspecified time before the part 1 chuunin exams. So base tsunade is definitley below average ninja level physically, she simply has above average healing abilities and summonings, as well as experience. And the only reason shes physically strong is due to her byakugou seal.

This is all supported by how even mecha pain blitzed her in her base mode lol, the same mecha pain that was so fodder that even pain arc kakashi was capable of out right speed blitzing.

So shes fit for being kage for sure based off the above specifications, its only her byakugou seal that makes her physically strong and above the average ninja physically (and still not by much)


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Who wins? Adult Sakura/Current Sakura vs. KCM1 Naruto and EMS Sasuke
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Naruto and sasuke are war arc and pre 6 paths boost naruto cant go past KCM1 cant use sage mode either
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