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And what solutions does Mr Jordan propose ?
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Roland Oliva

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It's black, scary looking, and designed to kill innocent people. #2nd #Constitution  - Roland Oliva - Google+
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+Xenophrenia Do you really think they will make a law that will NOT hold the owner/driver of the car responsible? That is the basis of all my previous comments, but that seems too complicated for you.  
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The gunman was a Marine veteran with reported ties to anti-government groups.
The gunman used a rifle, though the exact model is unknown
An open carrier got caught up in the aftermath.

Shortly after the shooting, the Cleveland Police Union called for an open carry ban during this week’s GOP convention.
The shooting comes as police departments increase security measures to protect their officers.

Fatal shootings of police officers are surging in 2016
The gunman was a Marine veteran with reported ties to anti-government groups.
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Paul Frank

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Congress has made it very difficult to study gun violence. Here's what researchers wish they could know.
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+joshua Deshautelles And you seem bent on repeating a falsehood, that I am somehow trying to deprive people of choice. As I explained at length already, that would be futile.

As for the NRA, they not symbolic. They exist to ensure profits for the gun manufacturers. As I said, it wasn't always this way, but in '77 Smith and Wesson, Colt and the rest made sure they taught the NRA how to beg...
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Roland Oliva

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+Susan Hughes-Michaels Your children are more at risk to being molested by Mr Michaels or dying in his van while he texts or drinks. But don't let facts get in the way of emotion.
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Roland Oliva

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Reminds me of this classic:

To the Editor:

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 870 right in the doorway. I gave it four shells, left it alone and went about my business. 
While I was gone, the mail gal delivered my mail, the trash man picked up the trash, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite a few of my neighbors drove past. 
Well, after about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there right where I had left it. It hadn’t killed anyone even with the numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it hadn’t even loaded itself. 
Well, you can imagine my surprise with all the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong, and it is the misuse of guns by criminals, or I have one of the laziest shotguns ever made. I must hurry off now and check on my spoons. I heard they are making people fat.
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A Facebook live stream ended abruptly Tuesday when three men listening to music inside a car in Norfolk, Virginia, were suddenly shot by a gunman, authorities said.

Police said three men — two aged 27 and the other aged 29 — were taken to a nearby hospital for treatment, with two suffering life-threatening
Police said the three victims in their late 20s were taken to a nearby hospital for treatment. One of the men was in a critical condition on Wednesday morning.
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Maxin Robb

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Banker Strategies: ISIS, Cops killing Black People, Immigrant Violence
http://active-democracy.com/news/the-lovely-jewish-history/1171-jewh188-banker-strategies-isis-cops-killing-black-people.html
ISIS, Cops killing Black People and Immigrant Violence ... all of these are Banker designed strategies to “terminate the system”. Yes, they are working towards terminating the system in the coming years and all of these strategies will help them in the same. Interestingly, all of these strategies have a lot in common. Let’s take a look.
We basically have three strategies in action at various stages. Al Qaeda and ISIS are 15 year old strategies that have fully matured ... and we have seen a lot of damage that has been done using this strategy. White Cops killing Black People is a new strategy that is enfolding gradually ... it started off with rare incidents and now it is taking up as a pattern. Immigrant violence is “on the cards” yet to be unleased ... this violence would essentially deal with the Latin community. Bitter relations with Mexico and large scale deportations of the Latin community will tend to create violence along these lines. The current conflict with the Black community will only provide rapid fire to this new conflict. The amusing part is ... all of these three strategies have a lot in common.
ISIS, Cops killing Black People and Immigrant Violence ... all of these are Banker designed strategies to “terminate the system”. Yes, they are working towards terminating the system in the coming years and all of these strategies will help them in the same. Interestingly, all of these strategies have a lot in common. Let’s take a look.
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GUN CONTROL NOW! "A time comes when silence...is betrayal." -MLK Jr.
 
This is a response for Hey Cheif's last post, in case he deletes my comment (plus.google.com/101089640539389544152/posts/cZSHZBkq9hn);

"The title of the story intended to divide people and promote a collectivist stereotype. Not all people who support the 2nd amendment would approve of this going on.

As for collectivism, this is like taking someone who identifies as liberal, showing that they actually are a communist, and at least imply that everyone who identifies with the label share the same views. I wish I didn't have to make that example, but it's the best one that maybe your mind can grasp.

But you're probably too lazy, poorly motivated and perhaps stupid to go and debate me."
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Of course he will delete it, that's what he does.
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Roland Oliva

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Once we get rid of all the guns then we can go after all the knives. For they have been more homicide caused by knife then there has been by guns.
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+Susan Hughes-Michaels So explain to me how making guns illegal would stop a criminal from using a gun to take hostages.
You do know that most gun crime is committed with illegally possessed firearms, right?
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So this guy spends seven years making himself rich glorifying the violence and death riddled drug underworld, moves on to the silver screen with more of the same thing, and then has the nerve to say guns are the problem? How about maybe not glorifying the lifestyles that beget the violence he's complaining about...
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Roland Oliva

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+Xenophrenia
From the wisdom of Dave ODell.

"that is a very original and well thought out argument, I must commend you on your great use of facts, statistics and data there, highly impressed. "
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Hey Chief

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The open-carry movement faced a very public test in Dallas last week. It failed.

While concealed carry can be championed ostensibly as a means of self-defense, open carry prioritizes performance over pragmatism. After all, openly carrying a firearm is an ideological statement more than a self-defense posture: It cedes the crucial element of surprise to an armed assailant. Open carry's true goal is to normalize extreme gun culture by making firearms familiar, visible and ubiquitous.

Last Thursday, more than a dozen participants in Dallas's Black Lives Matter protest came prominently armed. When shots from a sniper rang out, police officers had to discern instantly -- working in chaotic conditions, at night, under fire -- whether the armed protesters were murderous criminals or something else. Police stopped some of those carrying guns, and designated one a "person of interest." Trying to divine the intentions of the armed marchers diverted time and energy from the pursuit of the sniper.
Under sniper fire, how were Dallas police officers to know who was a good guy with a gun?
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+The Legendary Robin What a stupid response given the serious subject matter. Get a life Skippy.

Paul Frank

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Assault weapon is common denominator in mass shootings
The AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifles used by the San Bernardino shooters are the same type of weapon used in Newtown, Colorado and Oregon
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+Adam Reznik Dear Adam, You filled in a bunch of premises with things I never said. It was sort of "This is how Paul's reasoning here must be." The resultant representation absolutely failed to support the conclusion you ascribed (to me?). You might well have said something like, "This is the best way I can make sense of what you are implicitly saying Paul. And I find it fails to support the conclusion." I took it as a parody, but if you are proclaiming that I actually said those things you are incorrect.

Science can be understood as the search for patterns. Recognition of these patterns allow us to better negotiate our world. Associations are of interest in science. When the end game is to minimize an unwanted outcome, the associations are a starting place. It is introductory science that associations don't imply causation -- they are a necessary but not sufficient condition for causation.

CBS news made an informal observation that AR-15 style assault weapons were commonly used in mass shootings. What is straight forward is that if you have a definition of mass shootings, and then you search for all the shootings that satisfy your definition, and further identify the type of weapon used, you can determine whether there is an association between the two phenomena. In this case you would also want to relative frequency of "assault weapons" among all weapons to see if the association has any significance. (If, say, 90% of mass shootings employed AR-15s and 90% of all weapons were AR-15s, the strong association between AR-15s and mass shootings would be of limited interest.)

Whether policies to control access to AR-15s would impact mass shootings is another matter. That is elementary science. However, given the details including the capabilities of AR-15s to discharge large volume of bullets in a short time, along with a strong association between AR-15s and mass shootings, it would be reasonable to experiment with policies designed to control access to AR-15s. This reasoning is separate from assessing the "straight-forward empirical association between mass shootings and AR-15s."

Cheers Adam, thanks for your participation.
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Maxin Robb

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"Cops shooting black people" is a banker designed strategy to keep America occupied by terror and chaos
http://active-democracy.com/news/1170-cops-shooting-black-people-is-a-banker-designed-strategy.html
This woman is such a suck up. She is supposed to be a "judge" and her show is named "justice" ... and she is totally biased and a total suck up. She is professionally unqualified to run this show or be in this occupation. Firstly, these incidents are not just happening on their own ... they are pre-planned and artificially created. Secondly, the last thing that you should do is "take sides" when black people and policemen are concerned. It is only stupid to take sides and the moment you have taken sides then you already lost ... you have been played, you have entered their game and this game is designed only for them to win.
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