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IS THE SDA TRINITY REALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE CATHOLIC TRINITY?

Hilmer wrote: The Catholic Church also says that the Sabbath is her mark. Now do we throw away the doctrine of the Sabbath even if the Sabbath we profess and keep is different to theirs?...[End Quote]

Let's pause right here because this claim is not accurate. It is not the Sabbath that our Catholic friends say is their mark. Rather it is their supposed ability to change the Sabbath, to transfer the solemnity from the 7th day to the 1st day, that is her mark.

"Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. (Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine pg 50)

Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. (Catholic- Doctrinal Catechism 3rd edition pg 174)

"The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof of that fact. (Catholic Record, September 1st, 1923)

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters. (C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, October 28th, 1895)

Now why is this important? It is important because a giant non-sequitur has been set up in our friend Hilmer's comment. The Catholic church most certainly does NOT say that the Sabbath is her mark. Rather what she says is that Sunday is her mark. Thus the argument here is a fallacy, it is a false comparison because she does not actually say what is being claimed for her.

Now that we have demonstrated that the Catholic church does NOT say that the Sabbath is her mark (that was the set-up for a non-sequitur) we are prepared to examine the next proposition.

Hilmer wrote: ...The doctrine of the Trinity as stated in the fundamental beliefs are not the same as the doctrine of the Trinity as taught by the Catholic Church. [End Quote]

Our friend Hilmer is actually giving a private interpretation of the SDA Fundamental Belief. Now I respect his right to interpret as he wishes but I would note that he cannot actually prove his premise. Why not? Because there is absolutely nothing in the SDA trinity belief that is contrary to Catholicism. It was written very ambiguously. Thus it can also be interpreted as being in complete harmony with it. If you doubt this let's read what SDAs and Catholics themselves say about the SDA trinity belief.

SDA Statements:

Statement 1:

“The member churches of the World Council of Churches and SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THE FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH AS SET FORTH IN THREE ANCIENT SYMBOLS (Apostolicum, Nicaenon-Constantinopolitum, Athanasium). THIS AGREEMENT FINDS EXPRESSION IN UNQUALIFIED ACCEPTANCE OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY and the Two-Natures.” (So Much In Common, p. 107 (1973) Co-authored by B.B. Beach and Dr. Lukas Vischer- Faith and the Order Secretariat of the WCC.

Note: In the quote above Bert Beach claimed that the SDA church was in agreement with the apostolic, nicean/constantinople and athansian creeds! This agreement was expressed in "unqualified acceptance of the doctrine of the trinity." Now these are the Catholic creeds and what is being said, in the quote above, is that SDAs believe in the trinity just like you do! That's why the agreement is "unqualified."

Statement 2:

“Nature of God. A reading of the above statements will show that with respect to their doctrine of God SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS ARE IN HARMONY WITH THE GREAT CREEDAL STATEMENTS OF CHRISTENDOM, including the Apostles' Creed, NICEA 325), and the additional definition of faith concerning the Holy Spirit as reached in CONSTANTINOPLE (381)”. (Seventh-day Adventists: A Brief Introduction to Their Beliefs, Biblical Research Institute)

Note: The statement above was published by the Biblical Research Institute for a representative group of Roman Catholics who were visiting Andrews University in the year 2000. And what was said? That SDAs are in harmony with the "great creedal statements of Christendom" (aka: the Catholic creeds) and what is mentioned? Nicea and Constantinople! That is the creedal trinity my friend! Now if the language of SDA Fundamental Belief was out of harmony with these statements then the Catholics would have objected but they did not! More in this in a moment.

Statement 3:

“Over the years, however, as the exchange of information between us took place, we noted many confessional similarities but also differences. THE CATHOLIC SIDE RECOGNIZES IN THE DOCUMENT the Christocentric character of our beliefs, AND ESPECIALLY OUR BELIEF IN THE TRINITY, as well as ecclesiological identity of the Church, a status affirmed by an act of the Polish Parliament. On our part, we spoke of a need to change attitudes toward our denomination and recognized the openness of the Catholic Church, especially in recent times, toward the Bible,” Lyko explained. [Ray Dabrowski]

Note: The statement above is taken from an article entitled "Adventist Church Cannot be Treated as a Sect," Say Adventists and Catholics in Poland." In short the Catholic church and SDA church made a joint statement together! And in it the Catholics recognized the SDA church as a true church because of their trinitarian belief! Again if there was something in the SDA Fundamental Belief contrary to the Catholic trinity then this would not have occurred.

Now let's quote from our Catholic friends. What is their opinion of the SDA doctrine.

"SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS AGREE WITH MANY CATHOLIC DOCTRINES, INCLUDING THE TRINITY, Christ’s divinity, the virgin birth, the atonement, a physical resurrection of the dead, and Christ’s Second Coming. They use a valid form of baptism. They believe in original sin and reject the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctly reject "once saved, always saved")

Note: This quote was taken from catholic. com/tract/seventh-day adventism. It has the nihil obstat and imprimatur which is basically the Catholic way of saying that what is written is free from error that would cost someone their salvation if believed. Thus our Catholic friends are convinced that the SDA trinity and Catholic trinity are the same doctrine. And again there is nothing in the SDA Fundamental belief that actually says otherwise.

—If Jesus were made the sum and substance of every discourse, sinners would be convicted. By the message borne they would know what they must do to be saved. Lift Him up, the Man of Calvary, higher and still higher. Who can declare the glory of the incarnate God? What language can describe it? It is not the men learned in this world’s wisdom who have true eloquence.—Manuscript 176, 1899. – {VSS 311.1}

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May this song strenghten our spiritual faith. Happy Sabbath. Lord Jesus bless us all. 😇😀🙏

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Only a Fool Would Say There's No GOD

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The love which Christ diffuses through the whole being is a vitalizing power. Every vital part—the brain, the heart, the nerves—it touches with healing. By it the highest energies of the being are roused to activity. It frees the soul from the guilt and sorrow, the anxiety and care, that crush the life forces. With it come serenity and composure. It implants in the soul, joy that nothing earthly can destroy,—joy in the Holy Spirit,—health-giving, life-giving joy. - MH 115.3

Angels of glory that do always behold the face of the Father in heaven, joy in ministering to His little ones. Angels are ever present where they are most needed, with those who have the hardest battles with self to fight, and whose surroundings are the most discouraging. Weak and trembling souls who have many objectionable traits of character are their special charge. That which selfish hearts would regard as humiliating service, ministering to those who are wretched and in every way inferior in character, is the work of the pure, sinless beings from the courts above. - MH 105.2

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"The truth hidden by the SDA GC", the landmark of our faith must not be removed.

Pioneers believed in one God and one Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the infinite God.

Today they believed in a triune God.

"A message of warning was given".....
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