+Dain Bramág: "Making your children retarded [by raising them vegan] when they don't have to be hurts my society; hurts me."
Actually, unlike your imagined hurts, it turns out that teaching your children such a hate-filled thing as that they "have to" kill and eat sentient beings actually does
hurt me -- and for me
this isn't an abstract hurt. Animal agribusiness aggressively destroys the environment (e.g. greenhouse emissions, water pollution, etc.) and directly endangers my health (e.g. via "super-bug" creation from antibiotic use, etc.). Less directly, it increases the cost I have to pay in to the health system in order to help those who have had the poor judgment to eat animals for too long recover their health.
So... Other than this unsupported fantasy you have about nutrient rich plant based lifestyles magically causing retardation, is there any other way you think this hurts you?+Dain Bramág: "I don't have to hate something to kill it. Especially when I am hungry. And yes, I have killed and prepared and eaten my food from start to finish. I know the whole process, minus husbandry. I haven't done any food breeding."
Respectfully, knowing that you're killing a sentient individual even though
you know that you absolutely don't need to take that life can only be described as an act of hate. Being hungry doesn't ethically justify needlessly taking the lives of others in any "normal" situation, and to disdain another individual's right to their own life so much that you would casually end that life for no better reason than the pleasure it brings your taste-buds to do so... well... AFAIK and IMHO, that can only reasonably be described as an act of hate. YMMV.+Dain Bramág: "Drop a child into the woods at an age where survival is likely, ~9 years old, and they will not have a vegan diet. They will eat eggs, or menses as you call it, and they will eat bugs, and they will eat carion and they will, eventually learn to kill live animals for food. Again, killing does not equal hate."
This imagined scenario has no basis in reality, is based on your own fantasy (and not in the "real world"), and certainly doesn't provide ethical justification for you, as an adult, to needlessly kill sentient beings.
—☆—★—☆—★—☆—★—☆—★—☆—★—☆—★—This post is one in a series in which excerpts of discussions on veganism from other threads are reposted (or paraphrased) for the sake of expanding the conversation. As always, your thoughts and questions are welcome. See the full collection via the #spommveganchats hash (or perhaps with a more robust search, such as goo.gl/PAF46f or goo.gl/JoxZC ).(for anyone requiring/desiring more context, the original conversation can be found at goo.gl/37eKnR )#vegan #animalrights #spommveganchatsdainbramage