+Greg Krynen: "While basically true it is a bit misleading...."
Well... No, probably not.+Greg Krynen: "Most of the water is used by the cow to live anyway."
Indeed -- and for the processing of the cheese, and to grow the feed to sustain it. It's unclear what point you're making here.+Greg Krynen: "Who eats a pound of cheese in one sitting?"
Even if that was a preposterous suggestion, it is nevertheless not a suggestion that was made in either this post or the accompanying meme. Withal, it's unclear what point you're making here
as well. +Greg Krynen: "13.5 lbs is very little in comparison to oil production and distillation processes for a pound of fuel."
I'm sure we could find any number of things to compare this with which have few points to compare on. These repeated non-applicable and non-sequitur statements of yours, +Greg Krynen
, appear to be taking on a pattern of instilling doubt through incredulity without actually
contributing to the conversation.+Greg Krynen: "Support small farms not factory farms to avoid most of the pesticides, hormones and antibiotics."
As it turns out, this is even an issue that plagues the products of small farms.+Greg Krynen: "Ok, having been raised in a dairy farm family I have to bow to the forced impregnation issue. That is very true. But often the baby is raised to solid foods stage then removed and the milking continues (again factory versus small farm)."
Of note, having been raised on a small farm in northern California, my youth was mostly filled with my personally raising, killing, butchering and eating various "food animals" (e.g. cows, pigs, chickens, goats, etc.) while also raising and caring for various "non-food animals" (e.g. horses, dogs, cats, etc.). My father was a large animal veterinarian, and tagging along with him gave me the opportunity to also see how CAFOs (i.e. "factory farms" ) look from the inside. In subsequent years, I've been to many different farms, some large, some small, some factory level, some family level, and I've been to many upon many abattoirs, and I am intimately familiar with what happens in all of these places, be it terms of nutrition, animal psychology, or the abuses that can and do happen throughout.
Withall, I have no doubt about what actually
happens. The calves are born, they nurse for a day to clear out the "newborn milk", and thereafter are raised on soy-products. If she had a son, he's restrained in a little pen for a few days (i.e. "Bob Veal") or for up to 8 months before being forcibly killed and served up. If a daughter, she's force-bred and follows her mother on to the stanchion.
HOWEVER, regardless of all
that, almost all (as in over 99%) of the animals consumed in the world
come from factory farms, not small farms. They are not living "good lives" there.+Greg Krynen: "I think the best argument for going vegan is the cuteness of animals and the fact they are living beings."
Respectfully, I personally do not measure that value that an individual's life has based on his or her physical appearance -- but I do agree with you that they being living individuals has value in and of itself, and that value is the same one that we place on our own lives.+Greg Krynen: "Of course animals eat animals (we are mammals), bugs do too, and so do a few plants."
I think you will find the page at yvfi.ca/carnivores/r
to be edifying in this regard; it reads in part that "non-human animals do many things we find unethical; they steal, rape, eat their children and engage in other activities that do not and should not provide a logical foundation for our behavior. This means it is illogical to claim that we should eat the same diet certain non-human animals do. So it is probably not useful to consider the behavior of stoats, alligators and other predators when making decisions about our own behavior."
And depending on your consideration of plants, you may also find yvfi.ca/plants/r