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Nicole S Kelly

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Big news, we finally got Erik out of the swing. At 9 months. It was starting to feel like it would never happen! He was sleeping with the swing off for what felt like several months already but every time we'd try the crib at bedtime he'd scream hysterically for 15 minutes with no signs of slowing down. Well, we had a run of worse sleep in the swing with two teeth coming in and trying to self feed and pull up and crawl around 8.5 months, he was arching his back and fighting getting in so I thought maybe it's finally time. Two nights ago we did both naps and bedtime in the crib. He had a crappy first nap but the second he calmed within 5 minutes and got cozy on his side. I think he finally realized the crib was an upgrade! 
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+Rebecca Trump Thank you!
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Mary MacFarlane

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Hi all,
My 21 month old has all of a sudden started waking earlier and earlier in the morning to the point that she is now up at 5:15 am. It's terrible. I don't know what's tripping her up and I don't know how to solve the problem. I've tried later bedtime, earlier bedtime and neither works well, although with an earlier bedtime she tends to wake around 5:30 ish. This has been going on for the past 10 days or so. To make matters worse, she doesn't just wake peacefully. She wakes screaming (not crying) and when I go in she immediately stops so I know she's fine and just wants out of her crib.
Bedtime is at 7, 7:15. She naps really well at daycare from 12:30 to 2:30 or so. Up until her early mornings started she was waking between 6:30-7.
Should we now consider moving her to a big girl bed? She shows no signs or needing to get out of her crib, but the change may help? I have tried holding off from getting her till 6 am in hopes she will learn to stay quiet in her crib if she wakes earlier, but her yelling wakes the house! We have a 5 month old who wakes when she yells so I've been going to get her so she won't wake the lil bub. Is there something I can get for her to amuse herself when she wakes and maybe she won't wake the house? Any suggestions would be appreciated. At the end of my rope!
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My LO went through a weird early waking phase around 2.yo. if you do move her to a bigger bed she will just get out of it when she likes...which brings with it more problems. I would recommend doing what you can to keep her in a crib as long as possible or until wakeup times are more in tune with your family rythm. The light sounds like a good idea. In the end you may have to get up but the most important under lying factor here is the power struggle which is about to ensue. The light will serve to teach her that there are rules to your family dynamic and she will have to fit in. anything along that theme is a really nice and gentle way to help her understand the routine of the mornings. It may end up being that you only win half an hour for a time, but hey ho. Its super hard when its so early and you dont want to wake the whole neighbourhood but it will soon pass, and you will be on to the next problem. Lol. Good luck. 
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Natasha Rajan

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Need helps with nap transitions. I have a 19 month old that was napping great on two naps. One at 10 and the second at 2 both for 1.5 hr each sometimes one 2 hr nap. But she started resisting afternoon naps some days when she slept 2hrs in the morning so i thought we would try transitioning her to 1 nap. Its now been weeks of trying and we are getting nowhere. She will only take a max of 1hr 45 min nap. I have tried gradually moving nap time from 11 to 1 in increments of 15 min/day and have also tried sticking to the same time for a few days without any success. I would accept this nap except for the fact that it after a few days of this it seems to affect her night time (overtired for dinner, taking longer to fall asleep at bedtime, multiple night wakings) so she is cumulatively getting OT. We do have days of two naps in between to "catch" up on sleep but i have to limit morning nap to an hour or less to ensure she will sleep in the afternoon (and thats a gamble because some days she wont!) OR if i let her sleep she ends up taking a long morning nap, totally resists afternoon and then is a monster to deal with at dinner and bedtime. AND we have tried to move bedtime up to help with the one nap but she just ends up crying and taking longer to fall asleep. Sorry for the long post but i dont know what to do or how to "fix" this :(
PS: bedtime is falling asleep between 730-8 and wakes up between 730-8. But with a waking in the middle of the night that generally consists of her whinning and crying for 1-2 hours with checks before going back to sleep. 
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Oh and before this whole transition thing she was sleeping through the night without any wakings. The wakings started four nights ago. I am guessing cumulative overtiredness that has started affecting night sleep?
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Mary MacFarlane

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Does anyone have any suggestions on moving lil bub (5 months) into her older sister's room (she's 21 months). Eventually they will share a room, we only have two bedrooms, but I am at a complete loss on how to go about this. Our first has her routine down and loves it and sleeps very well at night, with a few setbacks here and there. Not sure how to incorporate lil bub into her room and her routine. Older one is still in her crib and shows no signs of needing a big girl bed yet, and I'm inclined to leave her in the crib for as long as she seems to enjoy sleeping there and it's safe.
Would love any suggestions and lessons learned from previous parents.
Thanks all!
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Whitney Lechner

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Help, I'm dying. Got the toddler to sleep like a pro (thank you, all, for your advice! Toddler alarm clock = 💯) and now my 5 MO is revolting,

Sleeps in our bedroom (tiny house=no place to put her till she can share with toddler). Got too big/rolly for the rock-n-play so now she's in a portable crib. White noise, dark, zippadeezip (can flip in swaddle). Up every 2 hours to nurse/get paci, pretty obvious to me it's a suck-to-sleep association and she's got it bad.

I know CIO isn't really recommended til 6 months. Any suggestions? Is it worth it to track down a swing for another month? Try to ditch the paci? I've moved nursing away from bedtime as a start but not sure where to go next as she's still kinda little.

Pic to remind me that they are real cute during the daylight hours 😊
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Help!!! We have a 3 and a half month old son that is probably the neediest little human ever! Throughout the day, he is on roughly a 1 hour to 90 minute cycle of eat, play, nap. His naps are generally 30 minutes up to 2 hours. He has to be swaddled and swayed to sleep. Then problem starts when the sun goes down. He is very hard to get down for the night and once he is, the longest he is asleep is maybe 4 hours(and that's rare)! He tends to be up every hour and sometimes every 30 minutes! Most times, he doesn't want to feed...just held and swayed. When he does eat, he falls asleep at the breast. We have tried everything, it feels like. We will not do formula or start cereal this early just to get him to sleep. He is gaining about 2 lbs a month so we don't think it is a nutritional thing.
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We've run the batteries out too many times to remember on the RnP. We got a used swing.
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We've had our fair share of issues with our 20 mo (see my previous 2623 posts :) but fighting bed time has never been one. long story short, he's now napping 2.5-3 hours at daycare and going down for bed about 90 minutes later with a LOT more protesting. He's staying waking up painfully early (btw 4-4:30) a couple times a week- usually after the most traumatic bed times. I suspect we might be trapped in a viscous cycle of too much nap sleep but on the other hand...I have no idea! BTW what up +Amy Wheeless I saw you on another post, have you always been in this group? :) 
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Sorry. I'm just getting this because I don't get alerts either.

It does sound like there's a lot going on so it's hard to troubleshoot. What is the bedtime routine? I would not entertain him in anyway in the middle of the night. Of course, do offer soothing if he's sick.
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Sarah Wilde

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Anyone have advice about when and how to transition from a crib to a bed? We've been having bedtime issues with our 2.5 year old, with hysterical screaming as soon as you leave the room at bedtime, stoping only if someone stays in the room with him. Last night, after about 5 min of screaming I heard a thump and his door opening, then a crying toddler with a bloody lip appeared. This morning when he woke up, he told me to get out of his room and close the door, then when I checked back in on him I found him perched on top of the crib rail ready to jump!

Does this mean I have to move him to a toddler bed? I'm worried about the possibility of injury, but am also reluctant to switch him to a toddler bed in the middle of a phase of bedtime turmoil. Any thoughts?
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You can also create symbolic barriers with one of those bed tents that hangs from the ceiling and lots of pillows to help make a nest of you think that'll help! You probably already made this change, I'm so late commenting- I hope it went well!! 
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I'm at my absolute wit's end here. My doctor has insisted that I CIO with my sleeps-on-the-boob 10 month old, so after pulling out all the stops to give him some solid naps (but ending by 3pm), we nursed until 7:30, did our bedtime ritual (books, songs, decreasing level of light), and then said good night at 8:10.

He screamed until 9:40 (no checks), then woke at 12:30, I changed and nursed him and put him back in his crib, he screamed for 45 mins and then went back to sleep (about 1:40), he woke again at 3:20, I changed and nursed him and put him back in his crib, he screamed for 20 minutes and went back to sleep (about 4), then woke up at 4:50 screaming, so I nursed him again and put him back in the crib. He screamed for 20 minutes so I took him out and started the morning with him (playing with toys in the living room).

He's clearly exhausted, and only running on 5 1/2 hrs of sleep by my count. I'm annoyed because all I'm hearing are these magical stories of how baby slept 11 hours the first night of CIO and I'm wondering if people are being dishonest, or if I'm doing something wrong. I'm also unclear on what I was supposed to do for the 4:50 wakeup - get up with him, let him cry it out? I see a lot of comments about inconsistency being a downfall, so I don't want to be inconsistent. Any insight would be very appreciated. 
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+Rebecca Trump, thanks so much for the advice - we've been super consistent and tonight he went to bed after just 2 minutes (of angry, angry screaming, but still). +Amy Wheeless, thanks for the suggestion about the nap schedule, you were bang on!
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Alexis Dubief
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If listening to podcasts is your thing, it's worth checking out this one, covering a whole host of issues related to sleep and parenting. I'm most proud of episode 6, both because I finally stop saying "um" constantly AND because it includes a whole host of pro-sleep tips not covered elsewhere on the blog :)
Welcome to the Precious Little Sleep Parenting Podcast, answering all your questions about babies, toddlers, sleep, and parenting. Come join us!
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Rachell Gautz

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We are on Week Two of CIO with our 10-month-old. The situation has improved somewhat (thanks, +Rebecca Trump, for your suggestions), but there is still 20-30 minutes of howling every night, with waking every 2-3 hours thereafter. I've moved nursing to before bath so that there's about 30 minutes between that and bed. Bedtime is 7:30. However, I've noticed that the crying is shorter the closer it is to 8; for example, last night I put him to bed at 7:45, and he only cried for 10 minutes. But he wakes up at 6:30 so 8 seems late for bedtime...

I do nurse him back to sleep when he wakes up through the night. I didn't want to deal with night weaning until the CIO took, but maybe I have to? 
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It makes sense to me to base bedtime off of the last nap end time more than morning wake time. My guy didn't go over 10 hours per night until we dropped naps.
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Jackie Gardner

Nap Battles  - 
 
Help! My two year old has decided to no longer have his day sleep which he desperately needs! We have just moved house so I'm sure that has something to do with it. Bed and routines are the same he just wont sleep. I have resorted to car sleeps and spend far to much time driving around!

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Yay! That was quick.
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Whitney Lechner

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My 5.5MO has a super mega suck=sleep association so we finally ditched the paci and let her CIO tonight— she was asleep within 25 minutes, woohoo!

When she wakes tonight to nurse:

-can I put her down asleep if she falls asleep nursing?

-can she have paci back at all in the night? I'm thinking that might really help her get back to sleep at her 5 AM waking, but I don't want to mess anything up.

Thanks y'all!
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Avoid sleep crutches/sucking for the first 3 hours after sleep. After that, do whatever nursing or paci you need.
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We have a new little guy, 8 weeks old, and he's wearing us out. His daytime sleep we/I can just about manage. But bedtime is turning into an ordeal and we can't figure out why. He generally has his last nap around 5:30/6 p.m. so he will be ready to go to bed around 7 or 7:30. We aim for the earlier bedtime and take the extra wake-up during the early part of the night simply because we also have a toddler and we want an hour or two of adult time in the evenings.

Our routine with our little guy is to feed him some of a bottle, give him a bath (which he LOVES), then pajamas and a couple of songs. I take him in to our darkened bedroom and sit with him to give him the rest of his bottle. We burp and then I hold him and "vibrate" him to sleep using my arms. He generally falls asleep within 10 minutes of finishing the bottle. So far so good.

I then lay down in our bed with him on top of me for 10 to 15 minutes. (We co-sleep.) Every time I try to roll him off of me, he wakes up and we have to start all over. And this is after I've checked for floppy arms and everything. We've also tried using a pacifier but once it falls out he wakes up no matter where he is - my arms, the bed, wherever...

We don't have a swing and can't get one where we live overseas. I do have a bouncy seat that vibrates and I have even tried putting him in that to fall asleep but once it shuts off he wakes up. And if I try to transition him to the bed before it shuts off he also wakes up.

Does anyone have any suggestions to make bedtime smoother?
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At that age, I think it's very normal for babies to still have quite a late bedtime. He'll slowly mature toward an earlier one (my 3 month old was going into nighttime mode at 10:30 when he was just a few weeks old, now he's at 8pm, I anticipate him being at 7 within a few months). You'll likely need a full two hours between when your last nap ends and bedtime begins. Last nap could be cut to just 15 minutes if needed for a quick catnap to get him through. Just my thoughts from what I've read and experienced.
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Mary MacFarlane

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Hey all,
I've got a very similar situation to Whitney (below post) with a few minor differences. My LO is 5 months and for the first four months of her life she slept like a champ, I mean like 10 hours straight. She goes to be at 7:15 or so and until about 2 weeks ago didn't wake till 4 ish to nurse then back to sleep till 7 or so, sometimes 8.
The past two weeks though she's started waking more frequently, initially at 1 am and again at 4 am, which I begrudgingly obliged. Buut now it's 10:30 pm, 12:30 or 1 am, 3 am, and 5 am. This I cannot oblige. She shares a room and we just moved her from bassinet to playard. With this pattern she obvs isn't ready to move into her toddler sister's room. Do I just let her moan and groan those first two wakes and hope after a couple of nights she stops (all the while praying she doesn't wake her sister whose room is oh so close)? I let it go a few days thinking it could be a growth spurt, development, or what not, but it's been two weeks and things continue to deteriorate. Help please!

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Our house is pretty small. Moving her somewhere else would mean the guest room in the basement and I'm not very comfortable moving her downstairs. We spend the lions share of our time on the main floor. If things don't improve soon, then I may consider moving her downstairs or I may just bite the bullet and move the two girls into the same room and suffer for a few weeks.
I'm hoping that things improve with her daytime sleep which will help with the nighttime sleep. Fingers crossed!
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Whitney Lechner

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Anybody have some toddler sleep wisdom for me?

2.5 YO is still in crib and has been a great 7:30p-7a sleeper for a year. But she's been waking up all night/early a.m. for the past month or so shrieking with a menu of tyrannical demands, from fetching her tossed-out-of-bed paci to cracking the door open, and so on...

Do I just get a toddler alarm clock, shut the door at bedtime, and not do anything until it's time to wake up? Thoughts on ditching the paci at the same time? Too traumatic?? There's a new sibling on the scene so obviously I'm having some guilt issues/trying not to scar her for life. 
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We are dealing with nighttime wake ups with our newly 3 yo. Also have a new baby in the house. I'm a believer that is is all from new baby and needing extra attention. I've heard it's a common occurrence to go through when there is a big adjustment with a new sibling. We love our toddler clock for having her know what time is appropriate to get out of bed in the morning. And my girl is a smart cookie, I wouldn't have been able to get away with cutting back the paci to wean her. But over the course of a week all of her pacis strangley "broke" and had to be thrown away... I cut a tiny slit in the side. It worked well for us because no one was the "bad guy" since it all happened so mysteriously. I tried to cut back napping time in an effort to make bedtime easier but my new strategy is to not focus as much on total nap time as waking up from nap at a certain time (3pm for us). It seems to have helped better than just shortening the nap. Good luck!
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Erin Lodes

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My 2 year old (29 months) is going to kill me. Baby #2 is 2.5 months old, and sleep woes are setting in. She has never fought bedtime, but is now difficult to settle most nights. She has a twilight turtle that projects stars and shuts off after 45 minutes, so she now calls us after 45 minutes to turn it back on, so it seems to be taking her a while to fall asleep. She is still in her crib, takes a 2 hour nap most days, and is in bed from 7:30/8 PM till 7am.

Then, many nights she cries out for us, wanting water and the "stars" back on. On the worst nights, like tonight, she'll be up for several hours at a time, calling out for "stars" every 45 minutes. My newborn doesn't sleep more than two hours at a time yet, so when my 2yo is up, it means no sleep at all for me. Baby possibly wakes her up sometimes as well (he's in his own room).

I don't really know what to do. Obviously we could eliminate some problem by getting rid of the"stars", but I'm worried about why she's laying awake for hours. I don't want to ignore her, because I think she needs lots of reassurance with new baby. Should I assume she's manipulating us and trying to get attention, or that she can't sleep?
I think my options are:
1) try to get rid of twilight turtle (stars), or only allow once at bedtime. This will be disastrous, she is very attached.
2) put the turtle in bed with her so that she can turn it on herself. I'm worried it will keep her from sleeping as she plays with it. Similarly, put a water bottle in her crib.
3) try to teach her what to do when she can't sleep. Every night we remind her to close her eyes, lay down, etc . Should we give her a light she can turn on and read if she can't sleep? Ideas?
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Basically, I definitely want her to not wake us up. I'd also like her to sleep. Any ideas welcome :-)
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Eager to hear how this pans out, +Erin Lodes . We are in a similar situation with a new baby and 2.5 YO ourselves. Keep us updated please! :)
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Jessica Alaan

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Hi,
I have a question. My daughter is 17 months old. No daycare this summer and she has been napping great. Between 1.5-3 hours, but usually closer to 3 hours. When she was in daycare she napped for 45 minutes and that was it!!! I am putting her down at noon at home b/c that is what time daycare naps when she starts back up in September. and I want to be consistent in hopes we can carry over the good naps. I always lay her on her back but I have come to realize that when my daughter takes a few minutes to fall asleep she rolls to her stomach and the naps are short (40 minutes -1 hours). I am sooooo worried that at daycare it will take her longer to drift off and shell go on her stomach and her naps will be short.

Do you think if for the next few weeks I put her down on her stomach (she stays that way if i put her that way) she will learn to transition between sleep cycles on her stomach and her naps will lengthen knowing she has the capability of taking great naps?

Thanks!
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Nicole S Kelly

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Looking for some tips or thoughts on transitioning out of the swing. Erik is 7.5 months and has been sleeping in a non moving swing for at least a month. We've got a trip out of state coming up in 2 weeks which got me motivated to get him out of the swing. I put the pack n play next to the crib a week ago. I did naps in there one day and he slept fine. Bedtime that day he couldn't fall asleep and I thought he might still be hungry like the night before, he ended up so hysterical he threw up.

Gave a few days break and tried pack n play again today. Took 1.5 hour nap this morning, 45 minutes this afternoon which is a bit short. Bedtime he fell asleep quickly. He woke up no more than 45 minutes later hysterical. Standard procedure if he wakes before 3 hours after bedtime is dad goes in. He couldn't calm down. So I tried feeding but he wasn't interested. Put him in the swing but he was too upset at that point and he couldn't fall asleep. I give him at most 15 minutes to sort himself out the first time and no more than about 8-10 minutes after subsequent visits. His schedule was a little bit off today so he might have been overtired, not sure. My only thoughts are I'll just keep trying the crib first at bedtime and hopefully he'll adjust? I hate losing this time for our one TV show, especially now that the boys are on opposite nap schedules. Any ideas?
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Natasha Rajan

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I can't believe I am having to post this for my 17 month old. We are really struggling with sleep. She is a sleep trained child (Successful CIO at 5 months) who puts herself to bed for naps and bedtime. We had successfully night weaned all the feeds except the occasional 5 am feed. Everything was almost perfect until 3 weeks ago she got sick with ear infections which also coincided with the last wonder weeks (still on for a few days). While she was sick she woke multiple times a night rightfully so and would only be comforted by nursing (i know...bad idea after weaning) but nothing else worked. The infection is gone but the night waking stuck. And we desperately need help. We have tried everything, dad going in, grandma going in, she will cry for hours with them and wont give in until i go in and nurse her only then she will go back to sleep. If i try to comfort her by any other means but nursing she will just sit on my lap and scream cry. We do nurse at bedtime but we have tried separating nursing from bedtime by 20 min and that hasn't made a difference. We have also been transitioning from 2 to 1 nap as she refuses to take the afternoon nap so i am guessing theres some Over-tiredness there as well. Moving the bedtime early just makes things worse and causes her to cry for even longer at bedtime and more night wakings. Is this the 18 month sleep regression? If so will it pass? She may be teething but would it affect sleep this much for this long? What should i do? 
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That's fantastic +Natasha Rajan! Hope the trend continues for you. (And that you get some good sleep-filled nights ahead of you!)
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