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Whitney Lechner

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Anybody have some toddler sleep wisdom for me?

2.5 YO is still in crib and has been a great 7:30p-7a sleeper for a year. But she's been waking up all night/early a.m. for the past month or so shrieking with a menu of tyrannical demands, from fetching her tossed-out-of-bed paci to cracking the door open, and so on...

Do I just get a toddler alarm clock, shut the door at bedtime, and not do anything until it's time to wake up? Thoughts on ditching the paci at the same time? Too traumatic?? There's a new sibling on the scene so obviously I'm having some guilt issues/trying not to scar her for life. 
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+Rebecca Trump could be; she's sleeping about 1.5 hours for naps most days although she does skip naps altogether every once in a while. I'm having trouble reading her, as sometimes (for naps or bed) she takes for-ev-er to fall asleep, and sometimes she's out in seconds.
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Help!!! We have a 3 and a half month old son that is probably the neediest little human ever! Throughout the day, he is on roughly a 1 hour to 90 minute cycle of eat, play, nap. His naps are generally 30 minutes up to 2 hours. He has to be swaddled and swayed to sleep. Then problem starts when the sun goes down. He is very hard to get down for the night and once he is, the longest he is asleep is maybe 4 hours(and that's rare)! He tends to be up every hour and sometimes every 30 minutes! Most times, he doesn't want to feed...just held and swayed. When he does eat, he falls asleep at the breast. We have tried everything, it feels like. We will not do formula or start cereal this early just to get him to sleep. He is gaining about 2 lbs a month so we don't think it is a nutritional thing.
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We've run the batteries out too many times to remember on the RnP. We got a used swing.
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We've had our fair share of issues with our 20 mo (see my previous 2623 posts :) but fighting bed time has never been one. long story short, he's now napping 2.5-3 hours at daycare and going down for bed about 90 minutes later with a LOT more protesting. He's staying waking up painfully early (btw 4-4:30) a couple times a week- usually after the most traumatic bed times. I suspect we might be trapped in a viscous cycle of too much nap sleep but on the other hand...I have no idea! BTW what up +Amy Wheeless I saw you on another post, have you always been in this group? :) 
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Sorry. I'm just getting this because I don't get alerts either.

It does sound like there's a lot going on so it's hard to troubleshoot. What is the bedtime routine? I would not entertain him in anyway in the middle of the night. Of course, do offer soothing if he's sick.
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Sarah Wilde

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Anyone have advice about when and how to transition from a crib to a bed? We've been having bedtime issues with our 2.5 year old, with hysterical screaming as soon as you leave the room at bedtime, stoping only if someone stays in the room with him. Last night, after about 5 min of screaming I heard a thump and his door opening, then a crying toddler with a bloody lip appeared. This morning when he woke up, he told me to get out of his room and close the door, then when I checked back in on him I found him perched on top of the crib rail ready to jump!

Does this mean I have to move him to a toddler bed? I'm worried about the possibility of injury, but am also reluctant to switch him to a toddler bed in the middle of a phase of bedtime turmoil. Any thoughts?
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You can also create symbolic barriers with one of those bed tents that hangs from the ceiling and lots of pillows to help make a nest of you think that'll help! You probably already made this change, I'm so late commenting- I hope it went well!! 
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I'm at my absolute wit's end here. My doctor has insisted that I CIO with my sleeps-on-the-boob 10 month old, so after pulling out all the stops to give him some solid naps (but ending by 3pm), we nursed until 7:30, did our bedtime ritual (books, songs, decreasing level of light), and then said good night at 8:10.

He screamed until 9:40 (no checks), then woke at 12:30, I changed and nursed him and put him back in his crib, he screamed for 45 mins and then went back to sleep (about 1:40), he woke again at 3:20, I changed and nursed him and put him back in his crib, he screamed for 20 minutes and went back to sleep (about 4), then woke up at 4:50 screaming, so I nursed him again and put him back in the crib. He screamed for 20 minutes so I took him out and started the morning with him (playing with toys in the living room).

He's clearly exhausted, and only running on 5 1/2 hrs of sleep by my count. I'm annoyed because all I'm hearing are these magical stories of how baby slept 11 hours the first night of CIO and I'm wondering if people are being dishonest, or if I'm doing something wrong. I'm also unclear on what I was supposed to do for the 4:50 wakeup - get up with him, let him cry it out? I see a lot of comments about inconsistency being a downfall, so I don't want to be inconsistent. Any insight would be very appreciated. 
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+Rebecca Trump, thanks so much for the advice - we've been super consistent and tonight he went to bed after just 2 minutes (of angry, angry screaming, but still). +Amy Wheeless, thanks for the suggestion about the nap schedule, you were bang on!
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Alexis Dubief
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If listening to podcasts is your thing, it's worth checking out this one, covering a whole host of issues related to sleep and parenting. I'm most proud of episode 6, both because I finally stop saying "um" constantly AND because it includes a whole host of pro-sleep tips not covered elsewhere on the blog :)
Welcome to the Precious Little Sleep Parenting Podcast, answering all your questions about babies, toddlers, sleep, and parenting. Come join us!
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Rachell Gautz

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We are on Week Two of CIO with our 10-month-old. The situation has improved somewhat (thanks, +Rebecca Trump, for your suggestions), but there is still 20-30 minutes of howling every night, with waking every 2-3 hours thereafter. I've moved nursing to before bath so that there's about 30 minutes between that and bed. Bedtime is 7:30. However, I've noticed that the crying is shorter the closer it is to 8; for example, last night I put him to bed at 7:45, and he only cried for 10 minutes. But he wakes up at 6:30 so 8 seems late for bedtime...

I do nurse him back to sleep when he wakes up through the night. I didn't want to deal with night weaning until the CIO took, but maybe I have to? 
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It makes sense to me to base bedtime off of the last nap end time more than morning wake time. My guy didn't go over 10 hours per night until we dropped naps.
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Nicole S Kelly

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Well, bedtime is consistent now between 7:30-8:15 but approaching 5.5 month old Erik is still pretty inconsistent in every other way. Trying to get the information on if we have enough signs to make the move to the crib and just what to do about his overnight sleep, it would make life a little easier if we could.

We transitioned out of the swaddle into a roomy zipadee zip (I tried swaddling for a bottle one day and he got so bad fighting it he spit up all over the place. Message received!) His sleep is the same, inconsistent confusion since.

Sometimes he sleeps 1 hour after bedtime then eats, sometimes 3. This is never our longest sleep period and he is very distracted eating during the day (despite taking his supplement in the swing, darkened room with white noise), so I don't find it totally unreasonable that he needs to eat again. After this, total crapshoot. He might only sleep 1 hour between wakings, sometimes 2 hours, probably most regularly it's about 3 hours. On the days with 3+ wakings after bed, the longest sleep period is always the last one before getting up for the day. The past two days were the more rare but lovely long sleep of 11 hours straight and last night it was 8 hours straight. I do nurse back to sleep for these initial wakings which I understand may be a problem?

Naps are generally at least 1 hour (only occasionally 30-45 minutes), sometimes 2. He's taking 3 naps almost always (only 1 day since we made the move has he needed 4). I've fiddled around with slow moving swing, completely stopped swing and the crib for naps. He can definitely do 2 hours in the non-moving swing and at least an hour in the crib. I've honestly been afraid to try the crib at bedtime since overnight sleep is so inconsistent and I'm still regularly pretty sleep deprived. But I understand from rereading Alexis' post about weaning from the swing that it's easier to transition to the crib at bedtime, so can someone just tell me to try bedtime in the crib since he clearly doesn't need motion to fall and stay asleep? And if anyone has any insight on his overnight sleep, I'd appreciate it. I try to stretch awake time to 2.5 hours but he's usually done between 2 hours to 2 hours 15 minutes. He eats 30 minutes or so before bed, bath, slathering in Aquaphor, pjs and zippy, a book if he's not too tired and mad and then into the swing awake (no pacifier) in a dark room with white noise. Falls asleep easily on his own. He falls asleep independently at nap too though sometimes the bottle is right before so he's mostly conked out with that.

A cute picture for your trouble.
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Thanks +Rebecca Trump​. Technically I know about all these different things to try but I'm not great at actually applying them to this guy. :) Colin was so easy in many ways, dropped overnight feeding quite early so I never dealt with these issues myself.
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Lydia M

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Ugh. So I'm having major sleep woes and I need help. Mostly because my husband works insane hours and I don't have the mental fortitude to deal with this. So here goes.

A month ago we moved into a 2 bedroom apartment so our daughter could have her room. We also switched our then 8 month (now 9 month) baby onto a 2-3-4 schedule. Prior to this move, she had been going down awake for 80%+ naps and 100% bedtime, and happily. Something about all the insanity meant that we started nursing to sleep for some naps and then more naps. I was never trying to nurse to sleep, but life is hectic, and I would go to feed her and she'd pass out. You see where this is going, right?

We never nursed to sleep for bedtime because I'm not a glutton for punishment, and there was a good chunk of time and lots of activity between a wide awake nursing sesh and put down.

The past two weeks she has had a cold, gotten one tooth, working on another, and probably a growth spurt to make sure we're all crazy. She is fighting naps, hard, and we're currently on minute 22 of bedtime crying.

So I need to stop nursing her to sleep for naps and be consistent. But guys, I am so shot. I put her down for every. single. sleep. session. and am the caregiver 95% of the time. (My husband actually works 100 hours a week, so I can't farm this out to him). And she still wakes up 2 times a night to nurse, so I am so tired. I don't fall asleep quickly after I nurse, her, either. I'd like to sleep when she sleeps during the day, or at least watch Netflix, but by the time she is done crying, I have knots in my stomach and can't sleep. It's awful. So sometimes I just cave, and after playing with her for a bit I just nurse her and let her sleep on my chest. Which is inconsistent. But my sanity.

Any tips? Anything? I live in a small apartment, so it's not like I can leave while she cries, or go to a different floor. She has black out curtains, white noise, sleep sack, etc. And her wall abuts the bathroom so I can't even shower. I've had bad postpartum anxiety/blues, and hearing her cry this much is horrible for my sanity.
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Keep up the good work!
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Amy Maffucci

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I'm having an early wake up issue with my 14 month old daughter. Up until a couple weeks ago she was waking at 6:30. We're on the west coast and after a 2 week trip to the east coast, her entire schedule has readjusted except for wake up time. It seemed like it was moving towards 6/6:30, but for the past week we're firmly at 5:30. Nap is from 12:30-3:00 and bedtime is pretty much always 7:30. Her room is completely dark and we still have white noise in there. Any ideas what it could be?
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Good luck!
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Nicole S Kelly

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How does the baby know we're trying to watch Game of Thrones? You think you've gotten the late bedtime fixed, ha ha. 10:15pm is party time!

Side note, I love that my toddler just existing causes the baby to laugh and coo. Talk about cheap entertainment!
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+Alexis Dubief Pretty sure I'm scarred for life as well. 😁 This little dude is so sensitive, he couldn't even tolerate us watching a sitcom while he was nursing and facing away from the TV after about 2 months. Good grief! 
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Erin Lodes

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My 2 year old (29 months) is going to kill me. Baby #2 is 2.5 months old, and sleep woes are setting in. She has never fought bedtime, but is now difficult to settle most nights. She has a twilight turtle that projects stars and shuts off after 45 minutes, so she now calls us after 45 minutes to turn it back on, so it seems to be taking her a while to fall asleep. She is still in her crib, takes a 2 hour nap most days, and is in bed from 7:30/8 PM till 7am.

Then, many nights she cries out for us, wanting water and the "stars" back on. On the worst nights, like tonight, she'll be up for several hours at a time, calling out for "stars" every 45 minutes. My newborn doesn't sleep more than two hours at a time yet, so when my 2yo is up, it means no sleep at all for me. Baby possibly wakes her up sometimes as well (he's in his own room).

I don't really know what to do. Obviously we could eliminate some problem by getting rid of the"stars", but I'm worried about why she's laying awake for hours. I don't want to ignore her, because I think she needs lots of reassurance with new baby. Should I assume she's manipulating us and trying to get attention, or that she can't sleep?
I think my options are:
1) try to get rid of twilight turtle (stars), or only allow once at bedtime. This will be disastrous, she is very attached.
2) put the turtle in bed with her so that she can turn it on herself. I'm worried it will keep her from sleeping as she plays with it. Similarly, put a water bottle in her crib.
3) try to teach her what to do when she can't sleep. Every night we remind her to close her eyes, lay down, etc . Should we give her a light she can turn on and read if she can't sleep? Ideas?
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Basically, I definitely want her to not wake us up. I'd also like her to sleep. Any ideas welcome :-)
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We had the same issue with my son and the twilight turtle and we ended up buying him a similar one (pillow pets dream light) that will stay on all night long - you can also buy a plug for it so it doesn't eat through batteries. I think cutting short the nap is a great idea too but my husband really resisted the star light and when we finally got one that stayed on it was SUCH a game changer.
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Jessica Alaan

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Hi,
I have a question. My daughter is 17 months old. No daycare this summer and she has been napping great. Between 1.5-3 hours, but usually closer to 3 hours. When she was in daycare she napped for 45 minutes and that was it!!! I am putting her down at noon at home b/c that is what time daycare naps when she starts back up in September. and I want to be consistent in hopes we can carry over the good naps. I always lay her on her back but I have come to realize that when my daughter takes a few minutes to fall asleep she rolls to her stomach and the naps are short (40 minutes -1 hours). I am sooooo worried that at daycare it will take her longer to drift off and shell go on her stomach and her naps will be short.

Do you think if for the next few weeks I put her down on her stomach (she stays that way if i put her that way) she will learn to transition between sleep cycles on her stomach and her naps will lengthen knowing she has the capability of taking great naps?

Thanks!
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Just saw you commented! Right? I feel like its crazy that this happens. I just did day one on the stomach and it was a 50 minute nap. (We were away last week and I didn't want to do it in a new environment) She is just laying in her crib now wide awake. I am definitely going to tell them to try and get her to fall asleep on her back but I still want to try putting her down on her stomach over the next week and see if it works! I would think after a week of short naps she will be tired enough to hopefully transition between sleep cycles on her stoamch without an issue!

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Nicole S Kelly

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Looking for some tips or thoughts on transitioning out of the swing. Erik is 7.5 months and has been sleeping in a non moving swing for at least a month. We've got a trip out of state coming up in 2 weeks which got me motivated to get him out of the swing. I put the pack n play next to the crib a week ago. I did naps in there one day and he slept fine. Bedtime that day he couldn't fall asleep and I thought he might still be hungry like the night before, he ended up so hysterical he threw up.

Gave a few days break and tried pack n play again today. Took 1.5 hour nap this morning, 45 minutes this afternoon which is a bit short. Bedtime he fell asleep quickly. He woke up no more than 45 minutes later hysterical. Standard procedure if he wakes before 3 hours after bedtime is dad goes in. He couldn't calm down. So I tried feeding but he wasn't interested. Put him in the swing but he was too upset at that point and he couldn't fall asleep. I give him at most 15 minutes to sort himself out the first time and no more than about 8-10 minutes after subsequent visits. His schedule was a little bit off today so he might have been overtired, not sure. My only thoughts are I'll just keep trying the crib first at bedtime and hopefully he'll adjust? I hate losing this time for our one TV show, especially now that the boys are on opposite nap schedules. Any ideas?
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I have to laugh. Yesterday he flipped out when I put him in the swing for a nap. So I figured maybe he's coming around. Nope, flipped out in the pack n play at bedtime. :) 
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Natasha Rajan

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I can't believe I am having to post this for my 17 month old. We are really struggling with sleep. She is a sleep trained child (Successful CIO at 5 months) who puts herself to bed for naps and bedtime. We had successfully night weaned all the feeds except the occasional 5 am feed. Everything was almost perfect until 3 weeks ago she got sick with ear infections which also coincided with the last wonder weeks (still on for a few days). While she was sick she woke multiple times a night rightfully so and would only be comforted by nursing (i know...bad idea after weaning) but nothing else worked. The infection is gone but the night waking stuck. And we desperately need help. We have tried everything, dad going in, grandma going in, she will cry for hours with them and wont give in until i go in and nurse her only then she will go back to sleep. If i try to comfort her by any other means but nursing she will just sit on my lap and scream cry. We do nurse at bedtime but we have tried separating nursing from bedtime by 20 min and that hasn't made a difference. We have also been transitioning from 2 to 1 nap as she refuses to take the afternoon nap so i am guessing theres some Over-tiredness there as well. Moving the bedtime early just makes things worse and causes her to cry for even longer at bedtime and more night wakings. Is this the 18 month sleep regression? If so will it pass? She may be teething but would it affect sleep this much for this long? What should i do? 
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That's fantastic +Natasha Rajan! Hope the trend continues for you. (And that you get some good sleep-filled nights ahead of you!)
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Rachell Gautz

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Need night sleep advice for my 9-month-old! I've been nursing him to sleep in our bed, but now that he is pulling up on a regular basis (on the bed rails) I really want to get him sleeping in the crib. Bedtime is 7-7:30 with a 6-7 wake up. Routine is typical bath-boob-book.

Night 1 of extinction CIO: 45 minutes of bawling followed by about 2 hours of sleep, at which point I nursed him down in our bed. Night 2: 1 hour of bawling, followed by 20 minutes of quiet, then another 30 minutes of bawling, at which point SO went and soothed him. Then off-track for a couple of nights (he fell asleep on the boob). Last night: 50 minutes of bawling, 40 minutes of (presumable) sleep, then 20 minutes of more bawling after which SO laid down with him and got him back to sleep.

So...how many more days do I give it before I give up? And what to do when he wakes so soon after I put him to bed? Should I be putting him to bed earlier? I've been trying to follow a 2-3-4 schedule. 
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Older typically makes for harder, I think..... Best wishes!
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Mary MacFarlane

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Hi everyone
Having some serious nap issues with my 18 month. She naps like a champ at daycare but napping at home on the weekend is impossible. She goes down ok but invariably wakes at the 45 minute mark screaming her head off. She's absolutely inconsolable. This has been going on for a month or so now and it's driving me bonkers. She will be home with me and 2 month old sister for the summer and I am desperate to get this corrected cause girl needs her sleep. Nighttime sleep is totally fine and has been for a while. Hoping peeps here have some tips. Thanks!
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Thanks. I'll give that a try. 
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(Sorry for the novel) - I think we really biffed it w/ our 18 month old. We've always broken the rule and nursed him to sleep bc it's never had an effect on his ability to put himself back to sleep. So we're still doing that. It doesn't always put him out the way it used to, but he knows once he's in his crib we are not coming back. There's been a LOT of drama lately though. I know the 18 month sleep regression can be a doozy (he language growth has been INSANE). Plus, we are just 3 weeks into a new house. Would this be a bad time to finally start a "big kid"/non-nursing bed time routine? If we should start one - tips? Talk to him about it? How much self-soothing time should we buffer for? Have just dad put him down after nursing? We've had to do that a few times bc of evening plans and he completely loses it when I leave the room.
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Great thanks as always for sharing your wisdom. I'm glad it worked for you guys! 
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Jennifer Simms

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You guys were very helpful with our sleep struggles with our first...and here I am again seeking help for my second...
We are in the midst of trying to get our 3 month old to the crib instead of the rock n play.
She was sleeping in the rock n play with about one wakeup a night at around 3am (8pm-3am stretch)
My plan so far has been to put her to bed in the crib and after two wakeups move her to the rock n play. We've made it from 8pm-midnight in the crib but then she's done with it.
Am I going about this the right way?
A couple other notes about this:
*We have to lay her on her side to get her to sleep in the crib at all and I guess that makes me nervous since she's not on her back
*i have been feeding her at her midnight wake up (only a 4 hr stretch) when she wasn't usually eating until 3am (6-7 hr stretch) is this going to cause her to begin getting used to waking sooner to eat

Thank you for any advice you may have about this transition 😄

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I think I am with the other ladies. She is very wee. I dont know about this rock n play...assuming its a rocking sleep thing of sorts. personally I would leave her there until she is too big and uncomfortable in it....then she will figure out the bed is better. But as someone else mentioned dont chop and change. There may come a point where she gets upset about transitioning... But she may surprise you and sail right through it all unfussed. ☺ Good luck. 
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Nicole S Kelly

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This dude's bedtime and early overnight are a hot mess. I keep debating posting a question because this guy is so inconsistent I don't then know where I can declare a pattern I want to address. He's a few days shy of 5 months. Just trying out a transition to the zipadee zip that a friend gave us in medium, otherwise swaddled since he was tiny. Sleeping in the swing though lately at night I haven't been turning it on after an overnight waking because it seems to wake him up (it's clunking quite loudly these days). He falls asleep independently at nap, a good time apart from eating and without a pacifier. Darkened room with white noise. His naps recently lengthened at about 4 months to being between 45-90 minutes. He's up for the day between 7am and 8:30am (his brother is 8:30pm-8am). He's currently doing 4 naps but I'm questioning if he's trying to drop that fourth nap and I'm messing him up. From early on he has been all over the map of sleeping huge chunks like 9 hours, then goes to waking every 3 hours, and occasionally mama torture of waking every 30-60 minutes overnight.

I consider bedtime around 7-8pm but he's not getting a long sleep period until between 11pm and 1am, so to me it's essentially like he still has a late bedtime. But feels like bedtime is earlier because he just wants to nurse back to sleep or eat and go back to sleep. So what's happening lately is around 6-6:30pm he'll have been up 1.5 hours and I will put him down for the last nap. I either wake him up after 30 minutes for bath time with his brother or he'll wake up on his own after 45 minutes. Then typically he's rubbing his eyes constantly after about an hour (his usual I'm ready to sleep sign). I'll feed him again which takes him to about 12 ounces supplement and I think he needs between 13-20, depending on growth spurts etc. From there I basically need to nurse him to sleep and he's fighting it most of the way. It's worse if I try to keep him up 2 hours. From that time until the aforementioned 11pm to 1am range, he's walking up ever 30-60 minutes and he might want to eat again, might not. It is also a little tricky to tell if he's actually hungry with his tendency to refuse the bottle.

I feel like part of the problem is not eating enough during the day. He's gone through various phases of bottle refusal (we nurse and I have to supplement) to the point one day he went 24 hours without a bottle. I feel like we're at an okay place with the bottle right now so I think if he's not eating much it's because he's full or distracted. We do the bottle in the swing, swaddled, dim light with white noise.

Any ideas on where to start? I was thinking about trying to nix that last nap and just keep him to around 2 hours. Thanks if you read this far, I feel like there's so many variables and my varying states of sleep deprivation don't help.
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very cute !
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