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Archetype Round Table

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Roundtable! This is run primarily by +Ariel Diana with a little help from myself. Thank you +Jennifer Brozek for giving us the ideas and help to set this up!

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting. The members of this roundtable include both Resistance and Enlightened agents and we hope to post them at the end of each month!

This session is in regards to the Trickster Archetype which is currently portrayed by Misty Hannah in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created. Now onto the discussion and questions!


1) What do you think of when you hear "Trickster Archetype"?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
For me, when I hear Trickster Archetype I think of of Loki, Pan, Huehuecoyotl, Coyote, Hermes, and several others considered Trickster gods and goddesses. They make people look at things in a different light by challenging (or tricking) them in different situations. This allows people to grow and learn new ideas and ways of looking at things. Yes they can make people laugh and help people learn, but they also have a darker side. This could be making people doubt themselves and their gut feelings causing them to be in an even more dangerous situation.

Ishira (Resistance):
Coyote and Crow are the first things I think about but my definition of a trickster is similar to yours. I was taught growing up that a trickster is a being that gets people to do things they may have done on their own. Normally they become like a guide, leading these people down paths they think will end them but ultimately doesn't. We usually learn life lessons through legends of a trickster and they aren't always straightforward lessons... Some are rather deep and sometimes depressing, like explaining how to handle death.

Also tricksters are often creators of things. Like I remember a story I was told growing up about how crow had stolen something in order to bring color to the world. He did so by tricking someone else. In some legends coyote does similar things but in all of them it is clear these beings trick others into either doing their biddings or to teach them hard lessons.

Relique (Enlightened):
Some gods or heroes don't rely on brute force or even flashy magic to get their way. Those gods/heroes are sly, clever, intelligent and capable of convincing you into giving them an advantage or giving them something they desire even if doing so is not to your benefit. Their weapon, often is a sly turn of a phrase, slight of hand, a glamour, disguise, or even an illusion.

I agree that some tricksters do it to teach a lesson; but others do it for laughs, for the thrill, on a whim or for entertainment.

I should mention that I often find it disturbing when I read a myth where some god, Zeus, for example, tries to adopt the role only to do something horrible, making a bad situation worse.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
When I hear the term trickster, it invokes thoughts of the raven, someone who is intelligent and clever and uses their wits.

They aren't necessarily dark or evil. They just are.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
When I hear the Trickster Archetype, I thought of someone who could easily manipulate people and convince them to do things they wouldn't normally do without force.

Theronata (Resistance):
1&2) In my eyes, there's multiple meanings behind "Trickster" (and thus multiple meanings behind a Trickster Archetype).

There's the obvious Trickster, who you just KNOW is shady from the word "Go", either because it's their job, or because we expect it... This branch of Trickster can be good or bad. Used car salesmen, the mall survey folks, and yes... Even magicians (Sorry, Misty! <3) are of this branch.

Then there's the subtle Trickster... You can't immediately tell that they're conning you, but it comes to a slow apparency, usually when it's "too late". This branch can be good or bad as well, but has more of the tendency to slide from good to bad. Politicians are notorious subtle Tricksters, but I'm sure we've all run across others, disguised as friends or folks that want to "help" us... But wind up playing the long game for their own gain.

Then... There's a third branch. I guess I would call them the "ethical" Trickster. This one can come off as one of the other two, but can leave clues for us to figure out, and / or try to reveal their trickery before they've reached that point of no return. Their end goal is good, and serves a purpose of helping us... But they walk a very fine line of creating and destroying trust in themselves and their methods and goals. White-hat or "ethical" hackers are a prime example of this branch, as can beta testers and (depending on what show you watch) undercover cops.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
Personally I think it's interesting to see how each here can see so many varieties of the same Archetype. Not only is the current world/culture influencing people's views but also the ancient world is. Makes me wonder if that will hold true of future archetypes.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Relique (Enlightened):
I'm of the School of thought that in order to become any archetype you have to have certain qualities that are innate to that archetype's role and that's not every trick, for example, has the same abilities. For some their abilities are based an illusion, other pure guile, slight of hand and others on a mastery if words and communication.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
I do believe (and I believe this for all Archetypes) that not everyone can be a Trickster. Some of us can have similar qualities but for one to be a true Trickster there need to be certain things in place.

Ishira (Resistance):
When it comes to whether or not certain types of people fit the Archetype I think, yes, there's definitely people that fit it more than others, but I also think everyone has the potential. We've discussed how people are a mix of Archetypes and sometimes one stands out above the others and that at times the more dominant or up front Archetype can swift to another depending on situations. To me I see them more as personalities that aren't solidified but yet fluid and changing. I can agree that at a given point someone may fit more into the Archetype and I can agree that it could be a default for some.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
As to whether or not certain types of people fit this archetype I think the answer is simply than can fit in it but not many can actually fulfill the role to it's greatest potential. I mean many people can be a cook but only a true chef can inspire and show feelings through the food they cook and how it's presented. For someone to fill this type of roll I believe they need to be able to not only perceive the illusion but be able to convince others that what they see is or can be real..

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Relique (Enlightened):
I believe that the trickster archetype is within an the Magnus because we live in an age where tricksters have managed to become prominent within and even subvert every form media and even our government.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
As for why this Archetype exists in the Magnus...I'm not sure. Some, like the Catalyst and Patron I can understand but some like the Trickster, Dreamer and others not so much.

To me, question 4 ties into the previous question and for that I'm not sure.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
As for 3. I honestly think of it like an arch. It may look like not every block is important, but they're supporting the blocks around them. And it won't function as intended if all of the pieces are not in place.

Ishira (Resistance):
As far as the last two questions on why I think it's in the Magnus and if it fits. I think it's in the Magnus because my belief and definition of the Trickster is a being that challenges, guides, and teaches others through ways that may be difficult to deal with. They seem to be the realism of what the world can be like and thus bring a unique experience and knowledge to the Magnus. By all means I think they fit in the Magnus because they show that not everything is as it seems and are likely able to identify the truths and lies that others may not.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
So I think the Trickster was chosen for the Magnus is a little bit easier to answer after trying to define what it is. It is my believe that the Trickster was chosen for their ability to be able to make others perceive things in a different light.

Being able to make others see things differently is the best way that I have found of being able to be prepared for multiple situations as well as being able to make sure you've gathered any relevant data needed to make the best possible choice if needed.

Theronata (Resistance):
3) I think it's simple for the Trickster to be considered as part of the Magnus. The Magnus, both as a concept and as a physical thing, need to be hidden from the world. Tricksters tend to have a natural ability to beguile, misdirect... Allow people to perceive what the Trickster wants them to. Fueled by XM (or guided by the Exogenous), this power can be wielded to astonishing effect, ensuring that the Magnus is largely safe from prying eyes and minds. Of course, the Trickster may not be beholden to the Magnus if their will is too strong, or their motivations too different. Behold the double edged sword that is the Trickster...


When the opportunity arose to be able to speak with Misty Hannah on July 21, 2017, we wanted to get Misty’s responses to the same questions that we were asking ourselves in regards to the Trickster Archetype that she was chosen to represent. Below are the questions Relique was able to ask Misty, along with her responses.

Question 1: Do you think only certain types of people can fit the Trickster archetype?

Misty: I think you're either prone to it or you're not. It is not something you can choose or will yourself you be.

Question 2: Why did you think the Trickster archetype was chosen for the Magnus.

Misty: <laughs> Because the Trickster archetype is the best of the 13.

Question 3: How does the Trickster archetype fit with the other archetypes of a Magnus?

Misty: I think it's simply one piece of a thirteen-part puzzle. How does any of piece fit with all the others?


Thank you to everyone that Participated in our first Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month.If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ariel Diana or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +Misty Hannah +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke +Jeff Coleman +Mario Valenzuela II +Mustafa Said +Kosh TheRipper

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Archetype Roundtable

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Explorer Archetype which is currently portrayed by Hank Johnson in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Explorer Archetype”?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
When I think of an Explorer I think of someone who not just goes out into the world looking at new places or re-examining previously known locations, but also of someone who looks at a given situation and looks for new and untested ways to solve that situation.

Ishira (Resistance):
When I think about the archetype Explorer I think about our history because honestly it doesn't seem like we have great Explorers anymore. I also think about kids stories, since most of them are centered around an exploring type character and the fact that most shows, books, etc are just the same. They all have an Explorer withing them.

Leorobin (Resistance):
It makes me think of broadening horizons and looking for new places, expanding borders. Mostly geographically but might also have some relationship to discovering intellectual uncharted territory.

Athafil (Resistance):
I see in my mind the idea of Indiana Jones. The kind of person who would go to the farthest corner of the world for his curiosity and thirst of knowledge, or using another idea from the first series of Star Trek, “To boldly go where no man has gone before”.

Relique (Enlightened):
For the most part, I see explorers as being people who for one reason of another decide that societal norms and the cultural expectations attached are not for them and that they would instead rather see what the world has to offer regardless of if it is in far off forgotten places, areas untouched by humanity, or in foreign/exotic lands.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
Many from history fit the mold... Lewis and Clark... Teddy Roosevelt…

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
To some degree everyone has a little bit of Explorer inside them, that's how a person learns and grows. However there are some that just scream Explorer like Vasco da Gama, Juan Ponce de Leon, Lewis & Clark, even Ingress' own Hank Johnson and even P.A. Chapeau can be considered an Explorer in revealing secrets or truths.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think it's possible for anyone to be an Explorer and some way shape or form but I also believe there are different types of explorers. By that I mean there are people who explore the world in different ways, whether it be physically or through text. There's also ones that go through spiritual exploration with themselves or even with others. I see people who are explorers as the outgoing type who are never truly satisfied in one spot or are looking for that one thing they may never achieve.

Leorobin (Resistance):
The explorer would need a drive to move out and actually accomplish some exploration. It probably has to be an individual that takes action and not one that waits for others to point the way.

Athafil (Resistance):
As all archetypes are part of human nature obviously inside every human there is a part of explorer. However in this case most of the people usually are afraid of this part and instead of looking for new experiences or to broaden their view they tend to stay inside their zone of comfort. So Explorer is only for people who are brave enough to change their point of view. Note sometimes it is enough to change your road of going back home. Or turning a corner near your house to find something new and interesting.

Relique (Enlightened):
No, not everyone can be an explorer the reason being that not everyone has the drive to leave their comfortable surroundings behind and journey into the unknown. Some People are content on living a "normal" routine life.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it fits anyone who's got a good touch of wanderlust honestly.

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think the Explorer archetype is an important one to any group that is deciding to go into the uncharted waters of life. the Explorer can offer different ways of looking at things, provide new insight based on their experiences and sometimes be the person that ventures out first in order to make sure the path is safe for others to follow.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think an Explorer is important to the Magnus just as it is important in a story. The Explorer is the one that brings experience of the journeys they've taken to the table. They bring the knowledge they've gathered. Also I believe they could be a form of Direction for a Magnus. The one that has a goal maybe, and the one willing to go for it no matter the cost.

Leorobin (Resistance):
The explorer fits the Magnus as a way of extending it's reach and influence, as well as searching the ways to do so. I believe it was chosen as it is a common part of a group.

Athafil (Resistance):
This archetype was chosen because as the Magnus was directed towards and unknown destination the explorer is needed to find the way. Even if no one has been there. He is the vanguard the one who takes the greater risk. And this he needs the support of the humanist to heal his wounds (physical moral or spiritual).

Relique (Enlightened):
Explorers are historically used to assess if a target population could be converted peacefully or if they need to be subdued. The explorer may have been chosen for the magnus as part of this colonialist mindset as part of Calvin's desire to rob 13magnus and anti-magnus of their secrets.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
Every group needs to have that person who is willing to go that extra mile. Not only was Hank exploring, but he was bringing his experiences from those travels to the Magnus.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke

Archetype Roundtable

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Humanist Archetype which is currently portrayed by Yuri Alaric Nagassa in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Humanist Archetype”?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
The Humanist makes me think of someone others might call the eternal optimist. I feel that this archetype will always believe that humanity will survive no matter how good or how bad things get. Seeing others not just as they are but as what they can become, while at the same time accepting a person's flaws because the Humanist understands that no one is perfect. I see this archetype as someone that is always looking for opportunities to learn from and/or teach others.

Ishira (Resistance):
When I think of humanist I think of some one who is always doing something for the benefit of the Humans. As in, their focus is strictly on humans and how their relationships with each other work outside of outside influence. By outside influences I of course mean the Exogenous in this case but also technology. To me its like they don't necessarily care about anything else, their focus is on them and this is potentially dangerous in my opinion. What happens around us or to us greatly changes how we are. Outside influences can be important in our own growth.

Leorobin (Resistance):
The humanist, as I think of it, seeks the well being and interest of humanity and humans over the environment, personal gain or established system. It is often an extremist archetype, neglecting the external consequences when seeking the best for humanity.

Athafil (Resistance):
Humanist make me think of someone who wants to know more and to fell humanity. To really "taste the marrow of life". It is the embodiment of the person who first think about others. In a sort of way it is the embodiment of the heart chakra. I really like the quote of "devil's advocate" in which "he" says that he is the greatest humanist because he loves humanity in all it aspect - both positive and negative. He accepts everything because he know it is part of what defines the humanity as a whole.

Relique (Enlightened):
Humanists are humanitarians, individuals who strive to improve the human condition and seek to improve our civilization through societal means . They are empaths, teachers, humanitarians, etc and often are considered selfless and generous.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I can answer this in two words... Mother Theresa

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
Honestly I think everyone to some degree is a Humanist but there are those that are very evidently Humanist and that is the strongest archetype in their personality. Others you may not even get a hint of Humanist in them but I believe it's buried way down deep. Mainly I feel this way because I think everyone has something that they are hopeful for, like a brighter or better future for example.

Ishira (Resistance):
I don't want to be rude but when I think of Humanist outside of ingress I normally find those that fit under this category are selfish. I have found quite a few I think would classify themselves as Humanist that are very self centered and unwilling to budge in their opinions. Discussions about anything other than what they deem fitting is a bit of a headache. On the other side of this though I have also found very caring Humanists. People who want to better their communities and are willing to do anything to do that. People who are focussed on helping everyone, not just specific groups of people.

Leorobin (Resistance):
While it might seem selfless, the personality associated with it is often driven by it's own values and ideals of what is best. An humanist is not selfish, but what is important is relatively to it's own perceived needs for everyone else. There is some I don't really think it would fit an specific type of person but those with that mindset. Strongwilled and driven individuals are often identified with this archetype. Being concerned about others and seeking the general good is part of its regular interactions.

Athafil (Resistance):
As Humanist is the background of all Human being, I would says that all of us are partially humanist but everybody develops only part of it . So using the metaphor of a full humanist as a full grown corn plant, many people express just different parts of him Roots sometimes, dark brown peeling, or maybe a ripe corn.

Relique (Enlightened):
Only certain individuals fit within this archetype because to be a humanist one needs to have a sense of empathy and must be sympathetic towards others regardless of their background.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it can fit to anyone who's doing Selfless acts for the benefit of humanity and not of themselves.

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think the Humanist is needed in any Magnus because it helps to keep the Magnus grounded and in touch with the world around them. Otherwise the Magnus could be isolated and not realize the effects (both positive and negative) that their actions could have on those living on in the same realm. Also I feel the Humanist would be a good moderator between other Magnus members if there is a debate/argument that needs to be worked out or settled.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think this Archetype is important because it, like Skeptic, brings reality to the table but with clearer goals. It's the voice saying, we need to better ourselves and protect those we love, with the focus being on the well being of human kind. I think it's important to have some one focussing on our civilizations and the effects that happen to just humans because of course the Magnus is here to help us. It's important to have a focus and I feel Humanist is that focus. The voice that says 'Remember who we are doing this for'.

Leorobin (Resistance):
When thinking about prominent or at least easily recognizable individuals and their archetypes, the humanist is a popular reference for philantropists and those involved in activism. It fits as a tilting factor, pointing the Magnus towards humans benefit, without consideration of where this benefit comes from.

Athafil (Resistance):
Humanist was chosen to be the hearth of Magnus, and to be an Human hearth. This shows that the Magnus was made to put together the two different point of view, which are needed to grow. Humanity needs both RES and ENL sides to grows.

Relique (Enlightened):
Plain and simple, balances out the spiritualist. If a magnus did not have a humanist, it would neglect issue dealing with humanity's future in and the well being of our civilization.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
Every group needs a healer.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke


Archetype Round Table

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Roundtable! This is run primarily by +Ariel Diana with a little help from myself. Thank you +Jennifer Brozek for giving us the ideas and help to set this up!

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting. The members of this roundtable include both Resistance and Enlightened agents and we hope to post them at the end of each month!

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Skeptic Archetype which is currently portrayed by Martin Schubert in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Skeptic Archetype”?


Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
When I think of a Skeptic, I think of someone that is always trying to prove anything that is stated as a fact, wrong. This could be a good thing in one way because it makes people look at things outside of how they first see them. Also allows them to consider the consequences of their actions or possible benefits they hadn't thought of earlier.

Ishira (Resistance)
When I think of the word skeptic I think of someone who is always questioning rather than believing. The more logical of the bunch that maybe doesn't believe past what their eyes can see or personally believe. Someone who needs experience in whatever the situation is to really understand or believe that it's possible. They look at facts of the entire situation in order to make an informed decision that isn't relied on spiritual belief or personal belief.

Theronata (Resistance):
The Skeptic is not someone who doesn't believe... The Skeptic is someone who doesn't believe blindly. They're the voice of reason, the Devil's advocate... They're the logical, calculating mind that wants all of the information first before making a final call. Going into battle alongside a Skeptic may seem to be an impossible task, as they're always questioning and looking for answers that seem counter to all you want to do. But behind the questions and "insolence" is a wise mind that wants to look at a situation from all angles, and might offer something that winds up better.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
Skeptic to me draws mental images of Agent Scullly in the first few seasons of the x files, how she always attempts to use science to explain things.

Relique (Enlightened):
In my opinion, the skeptic archetype is "the worst." It is an archetype filled up with people who's so existence is to squash the dreams of individuals who believe anything is possible, anything can and should be done, regardless of the costs and risks involved. Their motto is essentially "you can't, you shouldn't, and please don't." They are naysayers, they are kill joys, and worse, they logical to the point where you have to prove to them that something is possible before they will even take you on your world and let you try it.

Athafil (Resistance):
I have always a bad feeling under my skin. Too many times the skeptic has been the person who often deny things even when they are evident in front of him/her.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think that everyone has a little bit of a Skeptic in them, however a lot of people like to look at only their ideas and their reasoning for them. It takes a special person that can focus on different things and see possible outcomes, even if they are negative.


Ishira (Resistance)
I think skeptic it works for very logical people.. Ones determined to get right down to the source. I think it can also be present in leaders as they try to make informed decisions for not just themselves but others as well.

Theronata (Resistance):
I feel like anyone can be a "good" nay-sayer, going against the grain and always refuting an opinion or standpoint... But being a good Skeptic requires more thought behind their position, actual concrete fact and evidence to support their platform, and a willingness to adopt and adapt if they need to. Skeptics can be brought around to the position they were trying to refute... But it almost takes another Skeptic to counter them!

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it applies to anyone who applies science to things that seem a bit against mainstream thought.

Relique (Enlightened):
Thankfully, not everyone can be a skeptic because discoveries are often made by those who take risks without cold science fact or a ridgid theory. Sometimes discoveries are made on a whim while skeptics stand in the wayside amazed by what they just witnessed.

Athafil (Resistance):
Absolutely, only grumpy people.

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think the Skeptic is an important part of the Magnus because it helps to keep the Magnus' goals a bit more realistic or grounded. The Skeptic can also help in prioritizing the goals of the Magnus because they can help point out issues that could cause a specific goal to take more time.

Ishira (Resistance)
I believe it's in the Magnus because it is the anchor in a way for the Magnus. Someone who is able to question the possibilities of the problem that has arised for them and able to bring an unbiased voice to the table. I think it's important for the Magnus because if we simply just went off our guts and not fact then it's very possible we would lead ourselves down the wrong path.

Theronata (Resistance):
A Skeptic would be good for handling jumps in time, changes in the surrounding humanity. Perhaps a Skeptic helps 'translate' the things an Omniscient can tell about a situation... In short, a Skeptic would excel in analysis and proper handling of a situation that could very easily be different or opposite than its outward appearance.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
It was chosen to provide both a sense of explaining things logically and as a way of balancing some of the more "mystic" archetypes. Ingress had always been about duality and the skeptic provides that facet.

Relique (Enlightened):
Skeptics are like that wet blanket you keep around to put out fires or more precisely they are akin to a safety switch. If you are afraid of what kind of chaos a bunch of dreamers, tricksters, and alchemists would create when left to their own devices, you throw a skeptic at them to wrangle, baby sit, and to prevent prevent a catastrophe from occuring. If you don't you may end up with an epiphany night. Either way, after all the fires are extinguished, and the wreckage is removed, they will write up a report about what they saw and call it science.

Athafil (Resistance):
it was chosen to give a Balance to the Magnus to be a full around circle of all human attitude and point of view.

Thank you to everyone that Participated in our third Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month.If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ariel Diana or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +Misty Hannah +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke +Jeff Coleman n +Mario Valenzuela II +Kosh TheRipper #ingress #archetyperoundtable

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Thank you all!!!!!
2 years ago during the #obsidian anomaly I finally got the courage to pitch an idea to the investigation groups +Project Isthmus and +Operation Essex . At the time glyphs had been put on the obsidian arrowheads and the question was brought up what do we know about Glyphs? There was a lot of older data but nothing was too recent and I was a newbie investigator who was fascinated with the glyph sequences that I saw were changing during anomalies.

So I asked if anyone ever tracked their sequences and would be interested in joining a project with me. I was already starting to track my own glyphs but I wanted something more public and needed help gathering more sequences. There were so many questions about how sequences were given to us as agents and i aimed to answer as many of those questions as possible with the help of not just one faction but both. I was truly humbled by the amount of people that were willing to help me in this project. You guys turn the journal into something I could never have dreamed!

Today marks the day that investigations not only supported my idea but contributed and allowed the journal to flourish. Today is not just a prideful day for me but for every glypher that contributed to this journal! You all are what made this journal the force of data that it is and I look forward to what Prime has in-store for us. There have been so many accomplishments with this journal, so many moments of happiness. I truly am blessed to have the support I have had and I will do my best to continue this project.

I love you all, thank you so much.

+Ingress +John Hanke +Edgar Allan Wright +Stein Lightman +flint dille +H. Richard Loeb #glyphstudies #glyphjournal
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Archetype Round Table

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This round table was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress story line. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting. The members of this round table include both Resistance and Enlightened agents and we hope to post them at the end of each month!

The members of this round table includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents. This session is in regards to the Omniscient Archetype which is currently portrayed by ADA in the story line, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear Omniscient Archetype?

Relique (Enlightened):
When I hear Omniscient i think of a know it all, or someone who sits in the center of a info gathering network. They often tend to be the brains of an operation and if they don't run it they often are close to those who do.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I can actually see why ADA was chosen for this archetype. Most people think Omniscient as all knowing (including past, present and future events/knowledge), however that isn't a reality unless you know every possible outcome of every possible option given in every possible situation. However when looking at the archetype Omniscient I think of someone/something that knows all of history and current events, and uses that knowledge to help guide others to what would be the best course of action based on past and current knowledge.

Ishira (Resistance):
What I think about when I hear Omniscient I think about something or someone that has and understanding or knowledge about an situation that most don't. Reaching Omniscience has always been portrayed to me as having to have died essentially or reached to the ends of our time here because before that we do not have the knowledge we have gained in our journey. Now whether I agree on that or not is difficult to answer....

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
When I hear the Omniscient Archetype, I think of someone with a vast wealth of knowledge that they can glean from at any moment, the ability to see all things in incredible detail.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think of a digital assistant like the Google Gnome or Amazon's Alexa.

Theronata (Resistance):
The first thing I have to say is this: We shouldn't link omniscience to malevolence. When I hear "omniscient", I think of someone that tries to use their knowledge for the betterment (or at least sustained survival) of those around them. I know that's not always the case, but I'm a "glass half full" type.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Relique (Enlightened):
I don't think everyone can have the potentially to be omniscient. Sure there are some people who potentially be considered omniscient due to having vast networks of people giving them information, their intelligence, trivial knowledge, memory retention, or have access to the best search engines, but not everyone is capable of being one.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I don't think everyone would fit this archetype because I feel there is a lot of responsibilities and pressure to know what is the best course of action or to have the answer for every question. It takes certain people or personalities to be able to handle what comes with this archetype without "cracking".

Ishira (Resistance):
I think yes there are types of people that do fit into this category because as I said before to some extent I don't think you have to reach to a certain age to become potentially omniscient. I think those that challenge the worlds views and take a natural neutral stance to gain knowledge from all sides have the potential and fit this category more.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
No. I believe that anyone could possess it. It seems to me that enough XM Exposure or a connection with the Portal Network could grant a person this ability.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it could apply to a person who is also under the influence of cognitive enhancing drugs.

Theronata (Resistance):
On this one, I'd have to say it takes a certain kind of individual to fit the role properly. Sure, lots of people can know lots of things... But not everyone could know literally EVERYTHING. I feel like an Omniscient would lead a lonely life, punctuated by brief bursts of people coming in and out to get their questions answered and leaving right on the heels of those answers. Not everyone can handle that. Not everyone can handle knowing all that is knowable... That probably stirs up some interesting "monsters" from the depths from the psyche...

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Relique (Enlightened):
We live in the information age. If you don't have someone paying attention ti all the news, gossip, rumors, etc you are dooming yourself. Information is power and those who control it or can manipulate it for their own benefit wield nasty weapons that can cause massive amounts of ruin.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I believe this archetype would be in any and has been in all Magnus' because it is someone/something that is similar to a mentor. One that guides and advises the others to help them either find their correct path or to get them where they need to be to be able to make an informed decision.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think it's important to have someone that can look at all sides of a situation in any group that is supposed to make a difference. It like having the facts of everything so that you can make clear decisions and that is something that a Magnus needs.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
I think it was chosen because the Omniscient could be a type of tracker when it came to seeking out Primal Objects or enemies of the Magnus.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
It was chosen because to me it seems to be able to augment the other archetypes involved.

Theronata (Resistance):
This is the simplest to answer, I think: Knowledge is both power and survival. Magnuses (Magnii?) can be long-lived, or they can form quickly. The long-lived ones need that person to be able to tell the rest about the world as it changes around them, to keep up with the times as to not be so woefully out of place should they have to venture out. The quickly-formed Magnii (let's go with that) will need that central point to learn about what they're involved in, and how to function. Again, knowledge is power, knowledge is survival... Knowledge is the Omniscient's shield and sword, and they can wield them to dramatic effect.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke +Jeff Coleman +Mario Valenzuela II +Mustafa Said +Kosh TheRipper

Glyph Drill Down Collection

Glyphs are a memetic language imparting concepts to influence the human mind. In these roundtables @GaanEden invited agents from all over the world to discuss their possible meanings. @Metamorphis and @Ishira became an integral part of the investigation and regular contributors. Thank you to @Metamorphis for putting this together for me.

Sequence: Together Progress Recharge Present Journey
Guests: @BigMatty, @Theronata
Link: https://goo.gl/StZ3RY

Sequence: Search XM Distance Destination
Guests: @jaicat, @Athafil
Link: https://goo.gl/U1HYcw

Sequence: Hide Them Inside/Not Complex Intelligence
Guests: @Lucoire, @Catacat
Link: https://goo.gl/JqrfBu

Sequence: Mind Technology Capture Human Soul
Guests: @Wikkedimp, @Theronata
Link: https://goo.gl/Wkbapm

Sequence: After Imperfect Human Presence Consequence
Guests: @Essayons75, @SHODANn
Link: https://goo.gl/jfxGgX

Sequence: N’Zeer Hide Us/We Equal Them
Guests: @SHODANn, @Catacat
Link: https://goo.gl/EWFYju

Sequence: Your Message Clear Use Chaos
Guests: @Gargish, @Daeniem
Link: https://goo.gl/FmGQfc

Sequence: Interrupt Message Gain Advance
Guests: @Enade, @thedeacon1972
Link: https://goo.gl/Y48Mjt

Sequence: Begin Human Legacy Now
Guests: @I23i, @JayBase
Link: https://goo.gl/F7HyV7

Sequence: Abandon All Technology Save Us
Guests: @3d13rw01f, @AdADefender
Link: https://goo.gl/nPmZ9p

Sequence: The Relationship between Glyphs and Shards
Guests: @G0D2like, @MustafaSaid
Link: https://goo.gl/fZKoD3

Sequence: You Hide Chaos Inside Body
Guests: @JayBase, @Essayons75
Link: https://goo.gl/vnYrfG

Sequence: Escape Before Death End All
Guests: @wikkedimp, @AdADefender
Link: https://goo.gl/w8BGz9

Sequence: New Glyphs - Abandon Begin Destination Legacy N’Zeer Knowledge Perspective Us
Guests: @wikkedimp, @thedeacon1972
Link: https://goo.gl/TWa8D2

Sequence: Begin Journey Breathe XM Evolution
Guests: @Theoric, @AdADefender
Link: https://goo.gl/cyMRhD

Sequence: Abandon Fear See Future Destination
Guests: @Migenro, @I23I
Link: https://goo.gl/c73BPk

Sequence: Change Perspective Begin New Struggle
Guests: @SayoSenpai, @Essayons75
Link: https://goo.gl/vxKoUY

Sequence: Help Us Save Us All
Guests: @JennyWeb, @Enade
Link: https://goo.gl/NQ38fT

Sequence: Create New Portal Potential Future
Guests: @I23i, @m3taphor
Link: https://goo.gl/XxrCdT

Sequence: Human Legacy Have Abandon Now
Guests: @Migenro, @thedeacon1972
Link: https://goo.gl/LVBPXw

Sequence: Answer N’Zeer Question Potential Knowledge
Guests: @JennyWeb, @KoshTheRipper
Link: https://goo.gl/Bvpu3N

Sequence: Imperfect Message Begin Human Chaos
Guests: @Laria, @Essayons75
Link: https://goo.gl/cU1KKb

Sequence: Chaos War Conflict Discover Peace
Guests: @wikkedimp, @thedeacon1972
Link: https://goo.gl/rdGaK3

Sequence: Close All Thought Past Present Future
Guests: @Essayons75, @JediLight
Link: https://goo.gl/kHfDYV

Sequence: Weak Human Destiny Destroys Civilization
Guests: @thedeacon1972, @Ishira, @Enade
Link: https://goo.gl/AE9vLS

Sequence: Advance Civilization Repeat Failure
Guests: @BigMatty, @TyphoonJim, @Ishira, @Essayons75
Link: https://goo.gl/m2zN5f

Sequence: Hide Impure Human Thought
Guests: @Enade, @wikkedimp, @Ishira
Link: https://goo.gl/61FE9F

Sequence: Distance Self Avoid Human Lie
Guests: @JennyWeb, @Metamorphis, @TooHightoCare, @Morgyan
Link: https://goo.gl/NkjHfK

Sequence: Shapers Want Human Mind Future
Guests: @wikkedimp, @Essayons75, @profAsshat, @Ishira
Link: https://goo.gl/iAFXy8

Sequence: Ignore Human Chaos Lie
Guests: @Ishira, @Kttail, @Essayons75, @vivkkrishnan05
Link: https://goo.gl/MtRrp6

Sequence: Forget Conflict Accept War
Guests: @Ishira, @Tsildar, @Essayons75, @Tamrael
Link: https://goo.gl/ZNC9WZ

Sequence: Change Human Potential Use
Guests: @Metamorphis, @Ishira, @profAsshat
Link: https://goo.gl/JD4p5z

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Glyph Drill Down: Together Progress Recharge Present Journey

Welcome to the final Glyph Drill Down Roundtable. These are roundtable examinations of glyph phrases. This investigation is Faction/Level agnostic. ~@GaanEden

Glyphs are a memetic language imparting concepts to influence the human mind. In this Roundtable, we will discuss the following glyph sequence:

Together Progress Recharge Present Journey

Given what has come before, what do you think this phrase means? What is the receiver supposed to understand? Does it matter who the sender is? How is this glyph sequence supposed to influence the human mind?


@BigMatty / Enlightened
I read this glyph sequence as two portions “together progress” and “recharge present journey.” I take this first portion to mean that “together” both Enlightened and Resistance travel down the same path. That is not to imply that they desire the same outcome, nor does it imply they do not—simply that for this portion they are both present. For me it does imply, though, that it’s the interaction between the two force that is important. That is to say, the glyph is not concerned about them in a void. Progress denotes that—wherever (whatever plain of existence) the two factions are, they are moving—and in the same direction.

Recharge here means to replace any amount that was taken. But—any amount of what? For that, we look to the last two words “present journey.” On a journey, people can experience tangible things such as gifts, or mementos. Likewise, on a journey, people experience intangible things, such as thoughts, emotions, and feelings. In this context, even if a journey is considerably already underway—the opportunity to gain things one would gain on “a journey” is restored. This makes the journey rich, more so than if measured at the outset.

Combining the two portions, Enlightened and Resistance’s dynamic of interaction serves to maximize the journey Agents take.


@Theronata / Resistance
This sequence, given recent circumstances, seems to be one meant to bring people together. Whether that be the Resistance and the Enlightened, or Agents and the NIA, I’m uncertain. I’m hopeful that it’s a message for both factions.

I read this message as an investigative message: We (together) need to progress and re-focus (recharge) in our present journey, which in my eyes would mean our investigation. There are still so many questions to answer and riddles to solve. It’s almost a sequence set to remind us there’s so much more to discover.

Could it be one of our old friends (like Klue or Susannah Moyer) trying to get us back on the path of answers? It doesn’t feel like a message that the Shapers or N’zeer would purposely send to those trying to find their secrets out. So, I believe that someone else is influencing the Glyphs to deliver a message.


@Metamorphis / Enlightened
This sequence has three glyphs with several containing definitions. ‘Progress’ can be understood as ‘success’ or ‘evolution.’ ‘Recharge’ could mean ‘repair’ too. And ‘present’ has the meaning ‘now’ in addition. It seems we have the clear message ‘together journey.’ So, using the scanner or investigate the truth behind the Niantic Project, you should include your teammates and agents. By doing that, you will progress step by step. Sharing your experiences with others will heal (recharge) you immediately (now). The power is within you!

For me, it’s a motivational sequence I like listen to. I want to believe the Shapers are speaking to each of us.


@Ishira / Resistance
I am going to go full out on this one. What I mean by that is I’ve put the sequence together to get a greater understanding of it and observe the composition of the sequence as a whole. Like the other Drill downs, I will approach this sequence from two different perspectives and also use the composition or secondary glyphs to support the context I’m focused on. So, let’s begin.

Together we progress the recharge of the present journey. I feel in this context we are being told to continue what we are doing. Our efforts are making an impact so we need to get back up and continue our work. This sounds like something a partner or leader would say to us as we feel run down by the journey we have already taken. It has deteriorated our resolve to a point that we are just seeing the imperfections in our work rather than what we have achieved so we are given these words to help us move down the path and progress in our journey. We are motivation for this journey, the feel, and strength of it. If we stop, it will not continue and that is something that we are being told can’t happen.

Together we need to progress and recharge before the present journey ahead. The past journey has taken its toll on us. In this context, it seems like whoever is the subject of it has worked themselves to the point of being unable to do much more in their state. They are being asked to stop and work together to ensure that their next steps are in progress and that they are fit for the journey ahead. Maybe the context is even calling for them to progress within themselves in order to recharge or nourish themselves before they continue. To me, it sounds more like an agent concerned about the other, or maybe even a lecture about how someone cannot take this journey alone and needs to consider the support of others.

Looking at the full list of glyphs in this sequence I have to question who this sequence is for. Like others, it has no context directing us to who it is talking about in the main sequence, we have to dig into the secondary glyphs to get this information. Human, Shapers, N’zeer, Resistance, and Enlightenment are not present in the secondaries. Mind and soul are absent as well, but body is present and so is civilization and live. Whoever this sequence is referring to is alive, but it isn’t clear that it’s us, or even the N’zeer and Shapers. The only thing that is even hinted is that there may possibly be a civilization. Because of that I can’t say this is clearly a sequence meant for us, let alone sent by either N’zeer or Shapers. There are clear glyphs that could have been used to help us better understand the message but that would highly depend on when these sequences were actually created before they entered our scanner.

It is possible they are talking about the N’zeer and Shapers. Bu,t at the time this sequence was made, maybe they weren’t called N’zeer or Shapers… Maybe there wasn’t a glyph for them yet. Either way, I don’t believe this message from them or either side. I feel it’s again a message that can resonate with all agents and can be read differently from either side. I do not believe any of the glyph messages that come through the glyph game are for us. I truly believe we are simply listening and maybe in the future more sequences will come to prove or disprove. Until then, I am certain there are better glyphs that can be used to communicate with us.


@GaanEden / Enlightened
I chose this sequence as the final in the Glyph Drill Downs because it’s one of unity. All agents are in this journey together—whether we like it or not. What we do with our future is up to us. Perhaps it is the journey itself that is the most important.

I want to thank every single agent who has participated in the Glyph Drill Downs since its inception. I also want a give a huge thank you and kudos to Ishira and Metamorphis who proved themselves to be invaluable as my seconds on this project.

I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.


+Haerang Dong +flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +Stein Lightman +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke
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