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Archetype Round Table

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Roundtable! This is run primarily by +Ariel Diana with a little help from myself. Thank you +Jennifer Brozek for giving us the ideas and help to set this up!

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting. The members of this roundtable include both Resistance and Enlightened agents and we hope to post them at the end of each month!

This session is in regards to the Trickster Archetype which is currently portrayed by Misty Hannah in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created. Now onto the discussion and questions!


1) What do you think of when you hear "Trickster Archetype"?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
For me, when I hear Trickster Archetype I think of of Loki, Pan, Huehuecoyotl, Coyote, Hermes, and several others considered Trickster gods and goddesses. They make people look at things in a different light by challenging (or tricking) them in different situations. This allows people to grow and learn new ideas and ways of looking at things. Yes they can make people laugh and help people learn, but they also have a darker side. This could be making people doubt themselves and their gut feelings causing them to be in an even more dangerous situation.

Ishira (Resistance):
Coyote and Crow are the first things I think about but my definition of a trickster is similar to yours. I was taught growing up that a trickster is a being that gets people to do things they may have done on their own. Normally they become like a guide, leading these people down paths they think will end them but ultimately doesn't. We usually learn life lessons through legends of a trickster and they aren't always straightforward lessons... Some are rather deep and sometimes depressing, like explaining how to handle death.

Also tricksters are often creators of things. Like I remember a story I was told growing up about how crow had stolen something in order to bring color to the world. He did so by tricking someone else. In some legends coyote does similar things but in all of them it is clear these beings trick others into either doing their biddings or to teach them hard lessons.

Relique (Enlightened):
Some gods or heroes don't rely on brute force or even flashy magic to get their way. Those gods/heroes are sly, clever, intelligent and capable of convincing you into giving them an advantage or giving them something they desire even if doing so is not to your benefit. Their weapon, often is a sly turn of a phrase, slight of hand, a glamour, disguise, or even an illusion.

I agree that some tricksters do it to teach a lesson; but others do it for laughs, for the thrill, on a whim or for entertainment.

I should mention that I often find it disturbing when I read a myth where some god, Zeus, for example, tries to adopt the role only to do something horrible, making a bad situation worse.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
When I hear the term trickster, it invokes thoughts of the raven, someone who is intelligent and clever and uses their wits.

They aren't necessarily dark or evil. They just are.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
When I hear the Trickster Archetype, I thought of someone who could easily manipulate people and convince them to do things they wouldn't normally do without force.

Theronata (Resistance):
1&2) In my eyes, there's multiple meanings behind "Trickster" (and thus multiple meanings behind a Trickster Archetype).

There's the obvious Trickster, who you just KNOW is shady from the word "Go", either because it's their job, or because we expect it... This branch of Trickster can be good or bad. Used car salesmen, the mall survey folks, and yes... Even magicians (Sorry, Misty! <3) are of this branch.

Then there's the subtle Trickster... You can't immediately tell that they're conning you, but it comes to a slow apparency, usually when it's "too late". This branch can be good or bad as well, but has more of the tendency to slide from good to bad. Politicians are notorious subtle Tricksters, but I'm sure we've all run across others, disguised as friends or folks that want to "help" us... But wind up playing the long game for their own gain.

Then... There's a third branch. I guess I would call them the "ethical" Trickster. This one can come off as one of the other two, but can leave clues for us to figure out, and / or try to reveal their trickery before they've reached that point of no return. Their end goal is good, and serves a purpose of helping us... But they walk a very fine line of creating and destroying trust in themselves and their methods and goals. White-hat or "ethical" hackers are a prime example of this branch, as can beta testers and (depending on what show you watch) undercover cops.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
Personally I think it's interesting to see how each here can see so many varieties of the same Archetype. Not only is the current world/culture influencing people's views but also the ancient world is. Makes me wonder if that will hold true of future archetypes.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Relique (Enlightened):
I'm of the School of thought that in order to become any archetype you have to have certain qualities that are innate to that archetype's role and that's not every trick, for example, has the same abilities. For some their abilities are based an illusion, other pure guile, slight of hand and others on a mastery if words and communication.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
I do believe (and I believe this for all Archetypes) that not everyone can be a Trickster. Some of us can have similar qualities but for one to be a true Trickster there need to be certain things in place.

Ishira (Resistance):
When it comes to whether or not certain types of people fit the Archetype I think, yes, there's definitely people that fit it more than others, but I also think everyone has the potential. We've discussed how people are a mix of Archetypes and sometimes one stands out above the others and that at times the more dominant or up front Archetype can swift to another depending on situations. To me I see them more as personalities that aren't solidified but yet fluid and changing. I can agree that at a given point someone may fit more into the Archetype and I can agree that it could be a default for some.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
As to whether or not certain types of people fit this archetype I think the answer is simply than can fit in it but not many can actually fulfill the role to it's greatest potential. I mean many people can be a cook but only a true chef can inspire and show feelings through the food they cook and how it's presented. For someone to fill this type of roll I believe they need to be able to not only perceive the illusion but be able to convince others that what they see is or can be real..

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Relique (Enlightened):
I believe that the trickster archetype is within an the Magnus because we live in an age where tricksters have managed to become prominent within and even subvert every form media and even our government.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
As for why this Archetype exists in the Magnus...I'm not sure. Some, like the Catalyst and Patron I can understand but some like the Trickster, Dreamer and others not so much.

To me, question 4 ties into the previous question and for that I'm not sure.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
As for 3. I honestly think of it like an arch. It may look like not every block is important, but they're supporting the blocks around them. And it won't function as intended if all of the pieces are not in place.

Ishira (Resistance):
As far as the last two questions on why I think it's in the Magnus and if it fits. I think it's in the Magnus because my belief and definition of the Trickster is a being that challenges, guides, and teaches others through ways that may be difficult to deal with. They seem to be the realism of what the world can be like and thus bring a unique experience and knowledge to the Magnus. By all means I think they fit in the Magnus because they show that not everything is as it seems and are likely able to identify the truths and lies that others may not.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
So I think the Trickster was chosen for the Magnus is a little bit easier to answer after trying to define what it is. It is my believe that the Trickster was chosen for their ability to be able to make others perceive things in a different light.

Being able to make others see things differently is the best way that I have found of being able to be prepared for multiple situations as well as being able to make sure you've gathered any relevant data needed to make the best possible choice if needed.

Theronata (Resistance):
3) I think it's simple for the Trickster to be considered as part of the Magnus. The Magnus, both as a concept and as a physical thing, need to be hidden from the world. Tricksters tend to have a natural ability to beguile, misdirect... Allow people to perceive what the Trickster wants them to. Fueled by XM (or guided by the Exogenous), this power can be wielded to astonishing effect, ensuring that the Magnus is largely safe from prying eyes and minds. Of course, the Trickster may not be beholden to the Magnus if their will is too strong, or their motivations too different. Behold the double edged sword that is the Trickster...


When the opportunity arose to be able to speak with Misty Hannah on July 21, 2017, we wanted to get Misty’s responses to the same questions that we were asking ourselves in regards to the Trickster Archetype that she was chosen to represent. Below are the questions Relique was able to ask Misty, along with her responses.

Question 1: Do you think only certain types of people can fit the Trickster archetype?

Misty: I think you're either prone to it or you're not. It is not something you can choose or will yourself you be.

Question 2: Why did you think the Trickster archetype was chosen for the Magnus.

Misty: <laughs> Because the Trickster archetype is the best of the 13.

Question 3: How does the Trickster archetype fit with the other archetypes of a Magnus?

Misty: I think it's simply one piece of a thirteen-part puzzle. How does any of piece fit with all the others?


Thank you to everyone that Participated in our first Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month.If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ariel Diana or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +Misty Hannah +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke +Jeff Coleman +Mario Valenzuela II +Mustafa Said +Kosh TheRipper

Archetype Roundtable

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself. Sorry about the delay in posting this, but real life has been getting busy for both +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Spiritualist Archetype which is currently portrayed by Stein Lightman in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Spiritualist Archetype”?
Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
For me the spiritualist is someone that deals with the spirit.. either the spirit realm, the human spirit or the spirit of nature. They deal with something that people can't touch, see or have a physical impact on.

Ishira (Resistance):
When I think about the spiritualist archetype I think about the ability to connect to multiple realms, dimensions, beings. Having the ability to accept things others may struggle with like the dead or our ancestors and being able to communicate with them or even just see them.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
I think of someone who deals with things that people just can't see, those things that are on the edge of things, and they are just there out of the corner of your eye.

Leorobin (Resistance):
I think of the spiritualist as often related to cults and creeds, be it from established religions or following its own path. Depending on the background it can serve as a link between the material and immaterial planes of existence.

Athafil (Resistance):
Spiritualist is the archetype who has the connection with the unseen, the wise person who has the deep connection with nature with the hidden truth of the world.

Relique (Enlightened):
If humanists deal with things within the realm of the human condition than Spiritualists are required to deal with issues of the soul/spirit and the supernatural. When I think of spiritualists I think of priests of all faiths, tribal elders, east asian mystics, gurus, and the atypical new agers reading random books while trying to glean insight into the workings of the universe.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?
Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
To some degree every works with the spiritual realm, however I feel that a special person can fill the spiritualist role, someone that can see beyond what's in front of them to things they can not see or touch. Someone that can see the subtle changes and influences of the spiritual world.

Ishira (Resistance):
In the way I was raised someone who was a Spiritualist was a leader because they could clearly communicate with the spirits and our ancestors and be able to guide people with a balanced understanding of how everything interacted. They were people that could accept the things that people would shy away from and be the mediator between the physical and spiritual realm/world's. They kept the world's balanced between each other, played the peacekeeper, and had to be able to look at the world in multiple perspectives with an equal respect for all of those perspectives.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
It probably does fit a certain kind of thinking. I couldn't name anyone on hand at the moment.

Leorobin (Resistance):
I think someone skeptic or that is completely disconnected from its own faith/believes would be unfitting to be an spiritualist. There must be some degree of faith or trust to reach out to that which cannot be perceived in a direct way.

Athafil (Resistance):
While all people are spiritual this is a difficult archetypes, a hard choice because first of all a shaman has to know himself/herself and this is an hard thing to do. You have to understand that you are not only you but you are just a part of the whole.

Relique (Enlightened):
Skeptics and atheists are the antithesis of spiritualists. If someone if an extremely skeptical mindset or does not believe in the existence of the spiritual realms than you can not be a spiritualist.


3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?
Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
Just like the Skeptic grounds ideas to what is possible, the Spiritualist also grounds ideas to what could or could not affect people in ways other than physically. Take for instance the impact it would have on a person that would have to choose between saving someone that's important to them (parent(s), children, siblings etc) or causing them harm or death to save many more people that are strangers to them. The Spiritualist would be able to help them not only come to terms but weigh the benefits versus the costs either decision so an informed choice could be made.

Ishira (Resistance):
Because we are dealing with Exogenous and with spirits of our past I think it's highly important to have someone within a Magnus that can be accepting of the fact that seeing isn't always believing. That is willing to accept the world and all of it's layers and consider every single layer and how our actions change each of them. I think it's important for there to be someone that can communicate with spirits, our ancestors, and maybe other beings because they may have a better understanding or be able to bring insight that is needed when making decisions.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
You're always going to have to deal with the things out of the corner of your eye. That's why you need a spiritualist.

Leorobin (Resistance):
I think it was chosen due to the nature of the interactions between the extra dimensional entities and our reality. While physical in their own terms, to some extent, these beings are abstract to those in our plane. As for its role in the Magnus, it helps broaden the scope of the ideas of the collective and include a different point of view based on the interactions with those other planes.

Athafil (Resistance):
Spiritualist is the old wise woman, the old merlin when all other option fail, the explorer is stumbling, the patron cannot see anymore a way, it is time for the spiritualist to step forward.

Relique (Enlightened):
I believe this archetype was chosen to be in the magnus because when dealing with extra dimensional entities, like the exogenous, it is beneficial to think outside the box.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or +Ariel Diana.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke

Archetype Roundtable


Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ariel Diana and myself. This is a little late due to some rl issue but I hope you enjoy the read!


This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.


The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Dreamer Archetype which is currently portrayed by Roland Jarvis in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1)    What do you think of when you hear “Dreamer Archetype”?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):

For me the Dreamer is someone that can see different possibilities and scenarios that others may not see, even if those scenarios are impossible to actually happen in the current version of reality. However that is not all that they do, they also have the ability to be able to interpret and understand what others like the Visionary might see.


Ishira (Resistance):

When i hear the term dreamer i honestly picture a child with these huge unrealistic dreams for themselves and others. Dreams or goals that are so big, that its probably not even possible for them to do themselves but they are something they truly aspire to have or do and end up inspiring others to have dreams like theirs.


KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):

This may seem a bit off, but I envision people like Nikola Tesla, Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking.


Leorobin (Resistance):

The dreamer to me is a creative archetype. It can envision changes to his world and plan ahead on how to make reality catch up to his dreams. It also is able to see multiple possibilities and dream of how they come into resolution.


Relique (Enlightened):

Dreamers are are strange beings, they occupy the space that straddles between the  Visionary and Alchemical realms. They look into the Realms of possibility and manifest their desires and beliefs rather than forecast future trends or evoke change using science or magic.


Athafil (Resistance):

Dreamer is the really driving force of humanity. They are the people who go over basic thoughts and allow humanity to leap forward "A small step for a man a big step for humanity"


2)    Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):

Honestly I still say everyone can be a Dreamer to a point. Even a Skeptic can still see different possibilities to each situation they encounter. For me the Dreamer is one that does not box themselves into one specific course of action because they know that there are many different possibilities that depending on what actions are taken could make different possibilities become reality.


Ishira (Resistance):

This is one of the Archetypes that i honestly feel can fit anyone as long as they are in the right mindset. I think we all have the capability of being dreamers, as at one point in time we do have goals and ideas that are far beyond what we can imagine. I think there's a lot in our schooling that supports dreamers and encourages them but sadly as we grow older and become adults, reality sets in and most of us stop being dreamers.


KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):

Not necessarily... It could be said to apply to anyone who thinks outside of the box so to speak.


Leorobin (Resistance):

It does fit creative and open minded people. The dreamer has to be someone who can adapt and get the most out of the multiple situations that unfold before him/her.


Relique (Enlightened):

Most people can become dreamers, albeit even momentarily if they follow the whims of creation and do not give into cold cynicism, pessimism, or a logical based skeptical mindset.


Athafil (Resistance):

Every human being is a dreamer when they are young. Which is the last time when you have raised your eyes to the sky and saw dragons and unicorns in the clouds?


3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):

I think the Dreamer is one that helps the Magnus to see other options that are possible (similar to the Skeptic) but is also similar to a Humanist because they believe in the heart of the task or matter and want to help others see to the heart of it too and encourage them to reach for the best possible goal even if it seems impossible.


Ishira (Resistance):

I think a Dreamer is important in a magnus because they bring crazy ideas to the table that everyone can work for. They see the possibility of great and impossible ideas and encourage others to pursue them. You could almost say they are the perpetually optimistic person in the group that is always saying we can make a change and i think that's important for a group like the Magnus.


KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):

You need those people who think differently from others so that new innovation can occur.


Leorobin (Resistance):

I believe it fits into the Magnus as the strategist and the one who looks ahead for the best and sometimes the creative and out of the norm solutions and paths to take. I think it fits really well in the multidimensional and complex plot of the Ingress world.


Relique (Enlightened):

The role of a dreamer is to dream big when no one else wants to.  They are the ones who waits until the alchemical fires are put out and then remind people that the skeptic is wrong and what the mangus wanted to do is possible even if it requires the trickster to pull a rabbit out of her hat, the explorer to go on a quest, etc.


Athafil (Resistance):

Magnus : the dreamer is the person who starts everything. The person who see a goal.You can say that the Dreamer is the real beginning of Magnus which is needed to start the first steps (while the explorer is the one who make all the others 9997)


Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down!  We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month.  If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ariel Diana or myself.


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Archetype Roundtable

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Explorer Archetype which is currently portrayed by Hank Johnson in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Explorer Archetype”?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
When I think of an Explorer I think of someone who not just goes out into the world looking at new places or re-examining previously known locations, but also of someone who looks at a given situation and looks for new and untested ways to solve that situation.

Ishira (Resistance):
When I think about the archetype Explorer I think about our history because honestly it doesn't seem like we have great Explorers anymore. I also think about kids stories, since most of them are centered around an exploring type character and the fact that most shows, books, etc are just the same. They all have an Explorer withing them.

Leorobin (Resistance):
It makes me think of broadening horizons and looking for new places, expanding borders. Mostly geographically but might also have some relationship to discovering intellectual uncharted territory.

Athafil (Resistance):
I see in my mind the idea of Indiana Jones. The kind of person who would go to the farthest corner of the world for his curiosity and thirst of knowledge, or using another idea from the first series of Star Trek, “To boldly go where no man has gone before”.

Relique (Enlightened):
For the most part, I see explorers as being people who for one reason of another decide that societal norms and the cultural expectations attached are not for them and that they would instead rather see what the world has to offer regardless of if it is in far off forgotten places, areas untouched by humanity, or in foreign/exotic lands.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
Many from history fit the mold... Lewis and Clark... Teddy Roosevelt…

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
To some degree everyone has a little bit of Explorer inside them, that's how a person learns and grows. However there are some that just scream Explorer like Vasco da Gama, Juan Ponce de Leon, Lewis & Clark, even Ingress' own Hank Johnson and even P.A. Chapeau can be considered an Explorer in revealing secrets or truths.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think it's possible for anyone to be an Explorer and some way shape or form but I also believe there are different types of explorers. By that I mean there are people who explore the world in different ways, whether it be physically or through text. There's also ones that go through spiritual exploration with themselves or even with others. I see people who are explorers as the outgoing type who are never truly satisfied in one spot or are looking for that one thing they may never achieve.

Leorobin (Resistance):
The explorer would need a drive to move out and actually accomplish some exploration. It probably has to be an individual that takes action and not one that waits for others to point the way.

Athafil (Resistance):
As all archetypes are part of human nature obviously inside every human there is a part of explorer. However in this case most of the people usually are afraid of this part and instead of looking for new experiences or to broaden their view they tend to stay inside their zone of comfort. So Explorer is only for people who are brave enough to change their point of view. Note sometimes it is enough to change your road of going back home. Or turning a corner near your house to find something new and interesting.

Relique (Enlightened):
No, not everyone can be an explorer the reason being that not everyone has the drive to leave their comfortable surroundings behind and journey into the unknown. Some People are content on living a "normal" routine life.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it fits anyone who's got a good touch of wanderlust honestly.

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think the Explorer archetype is an important one to any group that is deciding to go into the uncharted waters of life. the Explorer can offer different ways of looking at things, provide new insight based on their experiences and sometimes be the person that ventures out first in order to make sure the path is safe for others to follow.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think an Explorer is important to the Magnus just as it is important in a story. The Explorer is the one that brings experience of the journeys they've taken to the table. They bring the knowledge they've gathered. Also I believe they could be a form of Direction for a Magnus. The one that has a goal maybe, and the one willing to go for it no matter the cost.

Leorobin (Resistance):
The explorer fits the Magnus as a way of extending it's reach and influence, as well as searching the ways to do so. I believe it was chosen as it is a common part of a group.

Athafil (Resistance):
This archetype was chosen because as the Magnus was directed towards and unknown destination the explorer is needed to find the way. Even if no one has been there. He is the vanguard the one who takes the greater risk. And this he needs the support of the humanist to heal his wounds (physical moral or spiritual).

Relique (Enlightened):
Explorers are historically used to assess if a target population could be converted peacefully or if they need to be subdued. The explorer may have been chosen for the magnus as part of this colonialist mindset as part of Calvin's desire to rob 13magnus and anti-magnus of their secrets.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
Every group needs to have that person who is willing to go that extra mile. Not only was Hank exploring, but he was bringing his experiences from those travels to the Magnus.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke

Archetype Roundtable

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Humanist Archetype which is currently portrayed by Yuri Alaric Nagassa in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Humanist Archetype”?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
The Humanist makes me think of someone others might call the eternal optimist. I feel that this archetype will always believe that humanity will survive no matter how good or how bad things get. Seeing others not just as they are but as what they can become, while at the same time accepting a person's flaws because the Humanist understands that no one is perfect. I see this archetype as someone that is always looking for opportunities to learn from and/or teach others.

Ishira (Resistance):
When I think of humanist I think of some one who is always doing something for the benefit of the Humans. As in, their focus is strictly on humans and how their relationships with each other work outside of outside influence. By outside influences I of course mean the Exogenous in this case but also technology. To me its like they don't necessarily care about anything else, their focus is on them and this is potentially dangerous in my opinion. What happens around us or to us greatly changes how we are. Outside influences can be important in our own growth.

Leorobin (Resistance):
The humanist, as I think of it, seeks the well being and interest of humanity and humans over the environment, personal gain or established system. It is often an extremist archetype, neglecting the external consequences when seeking the best for humanity.

Athafil (Resistance):
Humanist make me think of someone who wants to know more and to fell humanity. To really "taste the marrow of life". It is the embodiment of the person who first think about others. In a sort of way it is the embodiment of the heart chakra. I really like the quote of "devil's advocate" in which "he" says that he is the greatest humanist because he loves humanity in all it aspect - both positive and negative. He accepts everything because he know it is part of what defines the humanity as a whole.

Relique (Enlightened):
Humanists are humanitarians, individuals who strive to improve the human condition and seek to improve our civilization through societal means . They are empaths, teachers, humanitarians, etc and often are considered selfless and generous.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I can answer this in two words... Mother Theresa

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
Honestly I think everyone to some degree is a Humanist but there are those that are very evidently Humanist and that is the strongest archetype in their personality. Others you may not even get a hint of Humanist in them but I believe it's buried way down deep. Mainly I feel this way because I think everyone has something that they are hopeful for, like a brighter or better future for example.

Ishira (Resistance):
I don't want to be rude but when I think of Humanist outside of ingress I normally find those that fit under this category are selfish. I have found quite a few I think would classify themselves as Humanist that are very self centered and unwilling to budge in their opinions. Discussions about anything other than what they deem fitting is a bit of a headache. On the other side of this though I have also found very caring Humanists. People who want to better their communities and are willing to do anything to do that. People who are focussed on helping everyone, not just specific groups of people.

Leorobin (Resistance):
While it might seem selfless, the personality associated with it is often driven by it's own values and ideals of what is best. An humanist is not selfish, but what is important is relatively to it's own perceived needs for everyone else. There is some I don't really think it would fit an specific type of person but those with that mindset. Strongwilled and driven individuals are often identified with this archetype. Being concerned about others and seeking the general good is part of its regular interactions.

Athafil (Resistance):
As Humanist is the background of all Human being, I would says that all of us are partially humanist but everybody develops only part of it . So using the metaphor of a full humanist as a full grown corn plant, many people express just different parts of him Roots sometimes, dark brown peeling, or maybe a ripe corn.

Relique (Enlightened):
Only certain individuals fit within this archetype because to be a humanist one needs to have a sense of empathy and must be sympathetic towards others regardless of their background.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it can fit to anyone who's doing Selfless acts for the benefit of humanity and not of themselves.

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think the Humanist is needed in any Magnus because it helps to keep the Magnus grounded and in touch with the world around them. Otherwise the Magnus could be isolated and not realize the effects (both positive and negative) that their actions could have on those living on in the same realm. Also I feel the Humanist would be a good moderator between other Magnus members if there is a debate/argument that needs to be worked out or settled.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think this Archetype is important because it, like Skeptic, brings reality to the table but with clearer goals. It's the voice saying, we need to better ourselves and protect those we love, with the focus being on the well being of human kind. I think it's important to have some one focussing on our civilizations and the effects that happen to just humans because of course the Magnus is here to help us. It's important to have a focus and I feel Humanist is that focus. The voice that says 'Remember who we are doing this for'.

Leorobin (Resistance):
When thinking about prominent or at least easily recognizable individuals and their archetypes, the humanist is a popular reference for philantropists and those involved in activism. It fits as a tilting factor, pointing the Magnus towards humans benefit, without consideration of where this benefit comes from.

Athafil (Resistance):
Humanist was chosen to be the hearth of Magnus, and to be an Human hearth. This shows that the Magnus was made to put together the two different point of view, which are needed to grow. Humanity needs both RES and ENL sides to grows.

Relique (Enlightened):
Plain and simple, balances out the spiritualist. If a magnus did not have a humanist, it would neglect issue dealing with humanity's future in and the well being of our civilization.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
Every group needs a healer.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or myself.

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Archetype Round Table

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Roundtable! This is run primarily by +Ariel Diana with a little help from myself. Thank you +Jennifer Brozek for giving us the ideas and help to set this up!

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting. The members of this roundtable include both Resistance and Enlightened agents and we hope to post them at the end of each month!

This roundtable was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress storyline. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting.

The members of this roundtable includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents.This session is in regards to the Skeptic Archetype which is currently portrayed by Martin Schubert in the storyline, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear “Skeptic Archetype”?


Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
When I think of a Skeptic, I think of someone that is always trying to prove anything that is stated as a fact, wrong. This could be a good thing in one way because it makes people look at things outside of how they first see them. Also allows them to consider the consequences of their actions or possible benefits they hadn't thought of earlier.

Ishira (Resistance)
When I think of the word skeptic I think of someone who is always questioning rather than believing. The more logical of the bunch that maybe doesn't believe past what their eyes can see or personally believe. Someone who needs experience in whatever the situation is to really understand or believe that it's possible. They look at facts of the entire situation in order to make an informed decision that isn't relied on spiritual belief or personal belief.

Theronata (Resistance):
The Skeptic is not someone who doesn't believe... The Skeptic is someone who doesn't believe blindly. They're the voice of reason, the Devil's advocate... They're the logical, calculating mind that wants all of the information first before making a final call. Going into battle alongside a Skeptic may seem to be an impossible task, as they're always questioning and looking for answers that seem counter to all you want to do. But behind the questions and "insolence" is a wise mind that wants to look at a situation from all angles, and might offer something that winds up better.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
Skeptic to me draws mental images of Agent Scullly in the first few seasons of the x files, how she always attempts to use science to explain things.

Relique (Enlightened):
In my opinion, the skeptic archetype is "the worst." It is an archetype filled up with people who's so existence is to squash the dreams of individuals who believe anything is possible, anything can and should be done, regardless of the costs and risks involved. Their motto is essentially "you can't, you shouldn't, and please don't." They are naysayers, they are kill joys, and worse, they logical to the point where you have to prove to them that something is possible before they will even take you on your world and let you try it.

Athafil (Resistance):
I have always a bad feeling under my skin. Too many times the skeptic has been the person who often deny things even when they are evident in front of him/her.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think that everyone has a little bit of a Skeptic in them, however a lot of people like to look at only their ideas and their reasoning for them. It takes a special person that can focus on different things and see possible outcomes, even if they are negative.


Ishira (Resistance)
I think skeptic it works for very logical people.. Ones determined to get right down to the source. I think it can also be present in leaders as they try to make informed decisions for not just themselves but others as well.

Theronata (Resistance):
I feel like anyone can be a "good" nay-sayer, going against the grain and always refuting an opinion or standpoint... But being a good Skeptic requires more thought behind their position, actual concrete fact and evidence to support their platform, and a willingness to adopt and adapt if they need to. Skeptics can be brought around to the position they were trying to refute... But it almost takes another Skeptic to counter them!

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it applies to anyone who applies science to things that seem a bit against mainstream thought.

Relique (Enlightened):
Thankfully, not everyone can be a skeptic because discoveries are often made by those who take risks without cold science fact or a ridgid theory. Sometimes discoveries are made on a whim while skeptics stand in the wayside amazed by what they just witnessed.

Athafil (Resistance):
Absolutely, only grumpy people.

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I think the Skeptic is an important part of the Magnus because it helps to keep the Magnus' goals a bit more realistic or grounded. The Skeptic can also help in prioritizing the goals of the Magnus because they can help point out issues that could cause a specific goal to take more time.

Ishira (Resistance)
I believe it's in the Magnus because it is the anchor in a way for the Magnus. Someone who is able to question the possibilities of the problem that has arised for them and able to bring an unbiased voice to the table. I think it's important for the Magnus because if we simply just went off our guts and not fact then it's very possible we would lead ourselves down the wrong path.

Theronata (Resistance):
A Skeptic would be good for handling jumps in time, changes in the surrounding humanity. Perhaps a Skeptic helps 'translate' the things an Omniscient can tell about a situation... In short, a Skeptic would excel in analysis and proper handling of a situation that could very easily be different or opposite than its outward appearance.

KoshTheRipper (Enlightened):
It was chosen to provide both a sense of explaining things logically and as a way of balancing some of the more "mystic" archetypes. Ingress had always been about duality and the skeptic provides that facet.

Relique (Enlightened):
Skeptics are like that wet blanket you keep around to put out fires or more precisely they are akin to a safety switch. If you are afraid of what kind of chaos a bunch of dreamers, tricksters, and alchemists would create when left to their own devices, you throw a skeptic at them to wrangle, baby sit, and to prevent prevent a catastrophe from occuring. If you don't you may end up with an epiphany night. Either way, after all the fires are extinguished, and the wreckage is removed, they will write up a report about what they saw and call it science.

Athafil (Resistance):
it was chosen to give a Balance to the Magnus to be a full around circle of all human attitude and point of view.

Thank you to everyone that Participated in our third Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month.If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ariel Diana or myself.

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Then this showed up.... The mention of something ive never shared was enough for to believe this and the contents of this envelope have a name that has definitely been on our minds....

The mention of glyphs in here has me excited... What is the importance of this map? I was given no instruction of what to do with these pieces, they were just handed to me... Trusted to me.... They must know i was going to share it. I am an Investigator to my core. Pieces to the puzzles being put together, i hope together we will figure this out.

One final piece, an arrowhead.... Did they know that #Obsidian was when i joined investigations? That this was when everything changed for me.... Its a small piece, but something that reminds me of when i first started my journey.

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2 years ago during the #obsidian anomaly I finally got the courage to pitch an idea to the investigation groups +Project Isthmus and +Operation Essex . At the time glyphs had been put on the obsidian arrowheads and the question was brought up what do we know about Glyphs? There was a lot of older data but nothing was too recent and I was a newbie investigator who was fascinated with the glyph sequences that I saw were changing during anomalies.

So I asked if anyone ever tracked their sequences and would be interested in joining a project with me. I was already starting to track my own glyphs but I wanted something more public and needed help gathering more sequences. There were so many questions about how sequences were given to us as agents and i aimed to answer as many of those questions as possible with the help of not just one faction but both. I was truly humbled by the amount of people that were willing to help me in this project. You guys turn the journal into something I could never have dreamed!

Today marks the day that investigations not only supported my idea but contributed and allowed the journal to flourish. Today is not just a prideful day for me but for every glypher that contributed to this journal! You all are what made this journal the force of data that it is and I look forward to what Prime has in-store for us. There have been so many accomplishments with this journal, so many moments of happiness. I truly am blessed to have the support I have had and I will do my best to continue this project.

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Archetype Round Table

Hello everyone and welcome to the Archetype Round Table! This discussion is run jointly by +Ishira Tsubasa and myself.

This round table was setup to help provide some insights and delve further into the archetypes in the Ingress story line. Archetypes are almost like a character’s role or generalized attitude in a story or setting. The members of this round table include both Resistance and Enlightened agents and we hope to post them at the end of each month!

The members of this round table includes both Resistance and Enlightened agents. This session is in regards to the Omniscient Archetype which is currently portrayed by ADA in the story line, until a new Magnus is created.

1) What do you think of when you hear Omniscient Archetype?

Relique (Enlightened):
When I hear Omniscient i think of a know it all, or someone who sits in the center of a info gathering network. They often tend to be the brains of an operation and if they don't run it they often are close to those who do.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I can actually see why ADA was chosen for this archetype. Most people think Omniscient as all knowing (including past, present and future events/knowledge), however that isn't a reality unless you know every possible outcome of every possible option given in every possible situation. However when looking at the archetype Omniscient I think of someone/something that knows all of history and current events, and uses that knowledge to help guide others to what would be the best course of action based on past and current knowledge.

Ishira (Resistance):
What I think about when I hear Omniscient I think about something or someone that has and understanding or knowledge about an situation that most don't. Reaching Omniscience has always been portrayed to me as having to have died essentially or reached to the ends of our time here because before that we do not have the knowledge we have gained in our journey. Now whether I agree on that or not is difficult to answer....

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
When I hear the Omniscient Archetype, I think of someone with a vast wealth of knowledge that they can glean from at any moment, the ability to see all things in incredible detail.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think of a digital assistant like the Google Gnome or Amazon's Alexa.

Theronata (Resistance):
The first thing I have to say is this: We shouldn't link omniscience to malevolence. When I hear "omniscient", I think of someone that tries to use their knowledge for the betterment (or at least sustained survival) of those around them. I know that's not always the case, but I'm a "glass half full" type.

2) Do you think it fits only certain types of people?

Relique (Enlightened):
I don't think everyone can have the potentially to be omniscient. Sure there are some people who potentially be considered omniscient due to having vast networks of people giving them information, their intelligence, trivial knowledge, memory retention, or have access to the best search engines, but not everyone is capable of being one.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I don't think everyone would fit this archetype because I feel there is a lot of responsibilities and pressure to know what is the best course of action or to have the answer for every question. It takes certain people or personalities to be able to handle what comes with this archetype without "cracking".

Ishira (Resistance):
I think yes there are types of people that do fit into this category because as I said before to some extent I don't think you have to reach to a certain age to become potentially omniscient. I think those that challenge the worlds views and take a natural neutral stance to gain knowledge from all sides have the potential and fit this category more.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
No. I believe that anyone could possess it. It seems to me that enough XM Exposure or a connection with the Portal Network could grant a person this ability.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
I think that it could apply to a person who is also under the influence of cognitive enhancing drugs.

Theronata (Resistance):
On this one, I'd have to say it takes a certain kind of individual to fit the role properly. Sure, lots of people can know lots of things... But not everyone could know literally EVERYTHING. I feel like an Omniscient would lead a lonely life, punctuated by brief bursts of people coming in and out to get their questions answered and leaving right on the heels of those answers. Not everyone can handle that. Not everyone can handle knowing all that is knowable... That probably stirs up some interesting "monsters" from the depths from the psyche...

3) Why do you think this Archetype was was chosen and how do you believe it fits within the Magnus?

Relique (Enlightened):
We live in the information age. If you don't have someone paying attention ti all the news, gossip, rumors, etc you are dooming yourself. Information is power and those who control it or can manipulate it for their own benefit wield nasty weapons that can cause massive amounts of ruin.

Arielsmurfeater (Enlightened):
I believe this archetype would be in any and has been in all Magnus' because it is someone/something that is similar to a mentor. One that guides and advises the others to help them either find their correct path or to get them where they need to be to be able to make an informed decision.

Ishira (Resistance):
I think it's important to have someone that can look at all sides of a situation in any group that is supposed to make a difference. It like having the facts of everything so that you can make clear decisions and that is something that a Magnus needs.

Mustafa Said (Resistance):
I think it was chosen because the Omniscient could be a type of tracker when it came to seeking out Primal Objects or enemies of the Magnus.

Kosh TheRipper (Enlightened):
It was chosen because to me it seems to be able to augment the other archetypes involved.

Theronata (Resistance):
This is the simplest to answer, I think: Knowledge is both power and survival. Magnuses (Magnii?) can be long-lived, or they can form quickly. The long-lived ones need that person to be able to tell the rest about the world as it changes around them, to keep up with the times as to not be so woefully out of place should they have to venture out. The quickly-formed Magnii (let's go with that) will need that central point to learn about what they're involved in, and how to function. Again, knowledge is power, knowledge is survival... Knowledge is the Omniscient's shield and sword, and they can wield them to dramatic effect.

Thank you to everyone that participated in this month's Archetype Drill Down! We look forward to further discussions on the Archetypes of Ingress! We will be posting these discussions at the end of each month. If your interested in these discussions please get a hold of +Ishira Tsubasa or myself.

+flint dille +Edgar Allan Wright +Andrew Krug +Hank Johnson +H. Richard Loeb +John Hanke +Jeff Coleman +Mario Valenzuela II +Mustafa Said +Kosh TheRipper
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