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careen gray

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Should tax credit be abolished?

I believe that it has been corrupted to the point were genuine people needing these benefits are being pushed aside by people who know how to play the system.

For example being paid extra for having a walking stick and knowing what to do and say because they have been coached on how to fool the doctor. Bt when you have a genuine case and try to do the honest thing, you're told you don't qualify. 
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J. Randolph Steele's profile photoSandra Hallett's profile photo
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I think you have tax credits mixed up with disability and/or welfare benefits. The problem isn't just the individuals, it's the doctors and lawyers involved as well. Here in the US I've known people who couldn't get the help they need, and others who got what they didn't need.
But in order to fix the problem, you'd practically have to do away with it. Other than that, you just keep the fraud as low as possible, while still being able to help those that really need it.
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alasdair galloway

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Should criminals pay for their crime in kind?

I mean should a rapist be raped as a punishment, a murderer be killed, a thief loses a hand or two, An abuser be abused and so on?

I think so. Punishment is to soft for the crime. Speaking mostly for the UK here. I know in the states you lock em up and throw away the key for stealing an apple but lets look at it anyway.

In the arabian provences they behead yo, stone you to death and cut your limbs off and make it an event.

Maybe as a society we could televise it as a sunday viewing. Blame and shame them.
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Everyone has their own perspective ,they are true to some extent b'cus we can't be same as criminals. But if a man is brought to court who has done heinous crime just like the ones going in middleeast . Butchering the innocent people, what do you expect us to do ,sentence him for life imprisonment. Spend hard earned taxpayers money for his upkeep. Then there is human rights to prove that he is not treated like human.
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alasdair galloway

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Are the middle class as frugal as they come?

I believe so. They spend there money on things like leasing a car or a large wedding then complain that they have no money. Keeping up with the jones is all about appearances.
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Dilip Roy's profile photoDavid Murray's profile photo
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I would say that a person who is frugal spends less than average, is not worried about brands and saves so they can own a house or retire comfortably.
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Minshin Kang

Philosophy  - 
 
Motion: Does feeling grateful revolutionize the world?

I agree to the motion because feeling grateful to what we have has already revolutionized the world, and it will in the future.

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stops the growth prospect though ...
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shona melville

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Do charities like cancer research really want to find a cure?

I mean its a million perhaps even billion pound business enterprise raking in a fortune per year. Paying hugh salaries. If the cure was found tomorrow would everyone then become unemployed?

I think its just a business tax free. The cure is just a sales pitch. I believe that if they finally found it they'd just shelf it after all theres too much money at stake.
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The thought itself is very absurd . If at all the cure is found, this will not end up the research. The more convenient ways of cure will be researched, economical,less side effects ,or may be vaccine and many other fields can be researched . So research won't endup by just finding a cure
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Y2K

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Is there a common theme that separates progressive and conservative principles in the US?

My quick answer: there are themes, but they are not the reason that the principles are separated the way they are.

Analysis: These are typically Republican/conservative principles: less welfare benefits, less regulation, lower taxes, more free trade, hawkish foreign policy (pro-war), pro-life on abortion, more gun rights, less immigration, against gay marriage, inclusive of religion, tougher on crime.
Democrats/progressives support the opposite principles (more welfare/regulation/taxes, dovish foreign policy, pro-choice, etc).

I think that while there are some themes that run through these platforms, they were not the most important factor in forming the platforms. Instead, the (arbitrary) actions of accomplished presidents have cemented the legacy of each party. The progressive agenda owes itself to the actions of presidents like Wilson, FDR, and Kennedy. The conservative agenda in large part is the reaction to those Democratic presidents, but was also very much influenced by Ronald Reagan.

That being said, there are also some important themes. Conservatives in general tend to appeal to the macho, independent spirit, while progressives tend to be more idealistic. At the same time, conservatives tend to think in very black and white terms, while progressives see things in shades of gray.

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+Ken Johnson​ All your concerns are really for society. The death of an individual can be more damaging to society than a moderate decrease in quality of life. The negative impact to society of an "antlike" existence can outweigh other benefits. Societal considerations are objectively more important because they include individual considerations.
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Mary L
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Is an atheist's dream of a perfect society similar to a religious person's ideal of heaven?

Many people who adamantly claim that there is no God, no after life, and no perfection, will also imagine and believe in, the possibility of a perfect society, ruled by (as near as possible) perfect individuals.  I think that just as many people will look to God to sort out problems, many others will look for a government that will make our lives as good as need be.
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MS An Thrope's profile photoMary L's profile photoClara E Rodriguez's profile photo
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You make a good point, +MS An Thrope  - I think it's a clear distinction between theists and atheists.  But because certain distinctions do exist, does not change the fact that the basic ethos of theists/atheists is not completely different.  As +The Washington Outsider points out, the two philosophies have more in common than is generally supposed.
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alasdair galloway

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Should alcoholics and drug addicts be steralized?

I think so. It would be better for the children born into abusive homes and society as a whole
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Eve Votchka's profile photoalasdair galloway's profile photoBernie Kern's profile photo
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+Eve Votchka Good call
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alasdair galloway

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Should whistleblowers who inform on goverment organizations like secrets regarding submarines for instance be shot by firing squad?

I think they should. They are putting lives at risk. There should be something to fear if caught.
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Nicole Mills's profile photoalasdair galloway's profile photo
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+Nicole Mills you been smokin hun. Stop preachin. If someone you liked was killed due to som m**********r spillen the beans you'd want to blow them away too. And I don't mean orally
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Do you think that praying together for our courage, would lead to supernatural?
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I know I am coming in late, so if this throws a wrench in the flow go ahead and remove it. Honestly I find it hard to understand when people say there is "no" evidence of God. Obviously I concede it is nearly impossible to make a concrete inescapable argument for his existence. Just like I cant prove to you that I own shoes. You would have to "believe" all my evidence until you saw my shoes, and even then you could say I stole them. 

Basically it is an EXTREMELY bold statement that covers hundreds of years, and millions of miraculous experiences. 

I mean, I know people who have been raised from the dead. Hard for me to ignore that and say the prayer a man said over his still born child didn't bring him to life after the doctors called the child's death. 

So perhaps reevaluate that bold statement that you as a single person KNOW every possible instance of answered prayer or miracles and have decreed them all false. 

Finally. Unanswered prayers does not equal no God. If God answered all prayers he would just become a glorified tool box to fix all my problems. That isn't really how the Bible describes him, and should not be how we treat him if we decide to follow him.
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J Meth

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Nature or Nurture?

A friend's niece was playing with her little brother's toy, and both the mother and the brother told her she couldn't do that because it was a "boy's toy". So, are gender differences nature or nurture? I'd be considered a very "untraditional" gal, but I grew up in an environment that was completely gender neutral. And 'scientific' proof of gender differences changes constantly.
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Eve Votchka's profile photoJoe Betsill's profile photo
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Why can't it be both?
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Jaks Crow

Politics and Public Policy  - 
 
question:  does the death penalty deter murder?

position:  no

supporting data:  
-Marshall's view is today supported by an overwhelming majority among America's leading criminologists, who believe that capital punishment does not contribute to lower rates of homicide
-In recent years Great Britain (1973), Canada (1976), France (1981), Australia (1985), Italy (1994) and Spain (1995), among others, have eliminated capital punishment for murder after extensive study and debate.
--The number of executions will rise even higher if death sentences are carried out against nine people who activists say were convicted after demonstrations that began in 2011 by the minority Shia community.
-United Nations study summed it up: "It is generally agreed that the data which now exist show no correlation between the existence of capital punishment and lower rates of capital crime."

conclusion:
extreme penalties dont deter extreme crimes 

side note:
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...become a saudi arabian executioner, only 8 positions available, hurry while they last =)

https://math.dartmouth.edu/~lamperti/my%20DP%20paper,%20current%20edit.htm
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/26/saudi-arabia-passes-execution-total-2014-88th-death 
Number of prisoners being executed has accelerated this year under King Salman amid activists’ concerns that trials are not being conducted fairly
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Shilvio D. Linton's profile photoPat Ryan's profile photo
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+MS An Thrope Spot on!  We've debated this topic before and I argued against it for that very reason. https://plus.google.com/111005002180073955000/posts/6Yj73JuXDD6

Same goes for lopping thieves' hands off and similar measures.
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Huff Synthetics

Technology  - 
 
Topic: Motorcycle Oil

Question: Should you use synthetic oil or conventional oil in a motorcycle with a wet clutch?

Position: I have read a few articles about this debate and there seems to be a lot of people on the fence. As long as you choose the right oil the meets the specifications for your bike then it doesn't matter if it is synthetic or conventional oil. The lubricity of the oil is the same, the only difference between a conventional oil and synthetic is its additive package, which can be suited to application. I just want to get everyone's opinion based on their experience.
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+Huff Synthetics Thanks for the comment.  There's no need to delete the post, but it's a difficult one to debate.  Please feel free to send more posts:-)  
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Jem Pammenter-Fry

Sex and sexuality  - 
 
From a debate on a difference social media network:

"I am not attracted to this person because they are black" = Racist
"I am not attracted to this person because they are trans" = Transphobic
"I am not attracted to this person because they are the same gender as me" = Homophobic

Are these valid positions? If some are valid, what is different about the others that makes them invalid?

[Note that changing "because they are" to "who happens to be" makes all of the above statements invalid, because there is no prejudice implied. Just because you're straight it doesn't mean you're going to find everyone of the opposite gender sexually attractive.]
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Sorry, guys, you are rephrasing and changing the question in the process. Saying "not attracted to this person" is not the same as saying "not attracted to those people", where "those people" have a particular characteristic.

We're also not talking about value of one characteristic over another, because the original statements suggest that no matter what value you give to any other characteristics, one is so bad it would override everything else.

When considering "other" you also need to consider what is not "other". This carries the implication that the other is abnormal, and that's where discrimination and prejudice come from. If most people are straight, then straight is considered normal and being gay would be considered abnormal. In reality it is perfectly normal for a certain percentage of people in a population to be gay. Persecution arises from the othering of groups.
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Nathan Swensen

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I work at a fast food joint, as a way to earn money for college once I leave high school, and, since I'm a minimum wage laborer, concerns about raising the minimum wage interest me.  At https://www.whitehouse.gov/raise-the-wage, the writers for the website claim that by raising the minimum wage by almost three dollars, more money will be put into the hands of workers, who are supporting themselves or their families.  I disagree with this.  I think that if the federally mandated minimum wage were to be raised, businesses, such as the fast food joint i work at, will need to raise their prices to cover labor costs.  What's your look-see on this?

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My point is, and I should have clarified that, is that if the store I work at must raise it's minimum wage payment, it must also raise it's prices, and since the store is a franchise, rather than a store owned by Wendy's International, profits would drop, and ultimately, the store might fail because it's paying more in labor and product than it brings in.  People already complain about the prices (over which only Corporate has influence.  Don't complain to me, dang it!), and business will almost certainly be lost over raised prices.
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+Gary Jr I can see the slight, maybe, it scares me possibility, but only on a case by case basis.  Wal Mart for example.  If it did not offer profit sharing along with its wage structure (many near and full millionaires retire from the floors of Wal Mart), no healthcare, no leave of any kind, and knowingly allowed ongoing, unhealthy, dangerous work environments, while maintaining billions in profits world-wide, then Wal Mart should be called to task.  

But my fear is that many use an example like the above to attack the whole system, and thus want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.    
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alasdair galloway

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Should the rich have a moral right to pay for the poor?

I don't think so. They work hard to make money. They should reak the benefits and enjoy their hard earn labors. I'm sick of hearing the politicians crying about taxing the well off. They worked for it. If the poor want to get off bottom, let them, get a job, start their own business, become richer don't just wait for a pay off.
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Yes because if rich people do not sacrifice some of their income, there will high inequality of income in the country which will encourage to produce more luxuries which will lead to misallocation of countries resources. 
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Amber Petchey
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Science  - 
 
Q: Should "faith healers" have to be certified and conform to regulations?

P: I think there ought to be a legal requirement of explanation to their "client" at least; for example, explaining the realities of homeopathy - that it rarely (if ever) contains the active ingredients.

I also wonder why people are quick to sue pharmaceutical companies but not faith healers? 
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No, Faithhealer may fooled the person by charismatic speeches and having faith on some person is subjective, it may not be appropriate for all.
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Ken Johnson
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The US Navy has announced it will lower fitness standards so that more women will be able to join. Is this a good practice?

My position: no, it is a dumb idea.

Why? It is an affirmative action type of idea. This practice has already fallen out of favor. Fitness standards are in place to assure that military personnel will be more certain to be capable of performing physically difficult acts in life-and-death situations. If you have to lower a standard previously considered essential in order to make a person qualified, then that person is not truly qualified.

It would be different if research indicated that a standard is mistaken, and now deemed to be excessive. But that is not what they are doing. They are basing their new standard on a calculation of how many more people will become eligible, when they should be basing standards on their best estimation of what the job requires.
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Jason Reynolds's profile photoalasdair galloway's profile photo
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+Jason Reynolds yeah but the system allows women a little bit of more time to complete the task. And women do not copmplain when its in there favor.
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Y2K

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Should children be punished in order to teach them good behavior? I'm not asking if very harsh punishment is appropriate; my question is regarding punishment in general. I'm also not asking if punishment is ever appropriate (e.g. for damage control); my question is asking specifically if it's appropriate as a long-term teaching method.

My view is that punishment doesn't teach good behavior at all. All it shows is that the parent doesn't like the behavior, which can just as easily be expressed in words.
Some would argue that the child doesn't get how important it is unless the parent makes a strong statement through punishment. Even so, how do you expect your child to think for himself if you're pushing him to accept something just because you said it? Also, punishment inspires resistance, which makes the child less likely to care what the parent thinks.

Others say that the child would listen out of fear now, and eventually they'd realize that it was the right thing to do all along. There are many problems with that. First of all, do you really want to teach your child to base their decisions on fear and emotion? Second of all, a child who obeys out of fear is far more likely to rebel when they become more independent. Finally, consistently putting a child in a situation of fear, pressure, and powerlessness can definitely traumatize him.
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+Amber Petchey Usually the child will remain calm and receptive if the parent stays calm and doesn't let the situation escalate out of control.
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