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What will our next Critique Hour theme be?

Vote below for the next theme! Thank you for your wonderful suggestions! The polls will close January 31st, along with the "My Transformation Grant" applications. The next theme, as well as the recipients of the grant will be announced next month! Exciting start to 2017!
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Creature-Magical Companion
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Gratian Boghean's profile photoCFalconPunchedUHard's profile photo
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Oh it would be cool if you could have a segment on futuristic vehicles! My choice though alien landscapes! Woot
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Lydia Thury

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Posting for critique! I did this portrait in charcoal and soft pastel. This portrait was definitely a challenge for me, considering the proportions and landmarks are not what I'm used to. I had absolutely no idea how to render the freckles, and when I tried, they just looked like dirt on her face. The vales got a little washed out in the picture too. But all in all I had a lot of fun drawing this portrait and I learned a lot in the process! Thank you!
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Christofferghs Larsson

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Im not that used to working with shadows at all, i was more of a sketchy kinda fellow :) I get as far as this and then its like i get into a wall. Drawing eyes and details hasent been half as hard as it is now :( Any idea how to go forward with my studies?
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:`) Sounds wonderful!
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Swanna Luo

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Day 3! Several changes (1) Brought the eyes down. I used the Loomis dimensions after I painted everything and realized my eyes are a smidge too high. (2) Made her more feminine with a button nose. (2) Wiped off the lipstick. Bring on the critiques!
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Pitsh Black's profile photoPoopylord's profile photo
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WOW! This looks great, and the overall feel of it is just amazing! What I notice right away though is that your eyes seem kind of copy-pasted, since the irises of both eyes are pointing towards the nose bridge (and the thing with the highlights that has already been mentioned). I would recommend drawing both eyes from scratch, or moving the irises a bit towards the middle of each eye uvu

Apart from that, the sides of the nose have a very harsh line separating the nose from the eyes - I would try to lighten that a bit. I would also lighten the lips. Lastly, the ears seem kind of pointy, elflike, so rounding off the tops would help a ton. REALLY impressed with how pretty she looks! Keep at it!
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Adam Morrill (Morrilla)

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Day 5! Worked on fixing the eye anatomy and making it look less 2D. Also tried to make the proportions of the features more natural, and did a bit more rendering on the lips. Thanks everyone for the wonderful feedback up to this point, I've come a long way because of you!
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Hey Adam this is looking great. I'd say your main issue is still proportions. The eyes are too low and too large/far apart. The nose and mouth are also too low, and there is not enough vertical distance between the nose and the mouth. Lastly the chin is too pointed. It's good to do a femenine jawline when painting a female, but the chin should still be fairly rounded. I did a quick paintover to illustrate these changes, I hope it helps.
https://plus.google.com/photos/...
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Aaron Dumas

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14 Day Challenge - day 2

I can see a lot of improvement from my day one.

Things I noticed, that need improvement.

- Less blending (looks fuzzy?)
- She seems to be glowing due to over lightening, should have used a wider gradient and darker colors?
- The lips could use more rendering
- I need to spend time studying how to form and render better eyes
- The eye brows don't seem to match the rest of the face.

Please leave a critique or two to let me know what you guys think. Any advice is most appreciated.

Thanks! 
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+Pitsh Black Wow, thank you for the references and guides, that should help a lot and I'm looking forward to diving into them. I find my self fumbling in the dark trying to find what to study, so I really appreciate it.

Also, thanks for the direction and letting me know I'm still flirting with the symbolic tendencies. I'll do a bit of studying and then give it a go once more when my knowledge banks are filled a bit.


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Christofferghs Larsson

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I dont know what to write :) it feels like i know whats wrong with my drawing. Im amazed how you guys are able to make youre portais look so smooth :/
Hi im Christoffer Btw!
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Pitsh Black's profile photoChristofferghs Larsson's profile photo
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Wow thanks alot! I really apriciate the help :)
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CrystalFlare

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( It's almost 1:30 AM and I have school so I'm gonna try to make this quick C': )

So this is my first post here; I'm not at all good at painting without outlines yet; I'm still studying/practicing.. So I have a project ( paper in photos ) for Science class where you have to create a animal out of animal adaptions. I chose the 3rd habitat, the rainforest, and wanted to make hybrid basically of just cats; I didn't really want to add any other animals..

This projects due tommorow so I hope everyone can do critiques and stuff today so I have time to fix it I was going to do this earlier but.. Procastination anyways the animals in order of the photos I added them are...

1. Marbled Cat ( My favorite one because of the tail ;o; )
2. Margay
3. Clouded Leopard
4. Jaguar

Note: I know this is really bad; I always draw cartoony animals w/o any real anatomy practice so I'm trying? Again sorry it's bad!!

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+DizzyDizzy Alright, thanks! I'll redo the drawings w/ thinner lines and try to spend some more time on the design and making it look like a hybrid. Maybe a slight disadvsntage could be that this animal can not run very fast? Thanks so much for critiquing this; it really helped! I'm going to submit the finished drawing today and hope that I fixed alot of the mistakes I made here!
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Carlos Cazares

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Is a "little" late, but I think is better do something than nothing.
Thanks for the comments on the last drawing, they help me a lot y___y
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Jenay Elder's profile photoMagda Nizic's profile photo
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I like the skin, great job! however i do think that the nose is a little small, and that's making your lips sit a little high on the face, the distance between the nose and the mouth is good and the nose should be a little longer aswell. 
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Thea S. J.

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[Day 3] Slightly less like a potato but still muddy :( I feel like somethings off in the proportions or face shape but I've been looking at it for too long. 
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THANK YOU both for your comments! Pitsh Black I'm going to go bury my head in these resources! Thank you Thank you! 
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Dagmara Łycyniak

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Hello all! Today, I inserted my second day of 14day challenge. I think that even in a small way I corrected my previous mistakes. Thanks a lot for critigue from Pitsh Black.
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Sometimes really creepy how people quickly pick up the things with their brain. I wish mine would do that hahahaha :) Measurement is good, apart from the ears maybe. Ears sit between browline and nose line and vary in size and shape. I believe i would shorten them down a bit.
ears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqgw_iMWwlw
https://cgcookie.com/app/uploads/2015/06/FacialReference_TheEars.jpg


I see you worked in the side planes. I would be more courageous with that. I would take the asaro head and Istebraks video about contouring again and check especially the eye temple area and upper skull. The sideplane of the face up there starts where the brows have their peak or turning point. Right now you painted a halo around the brows.
asaro head: http://i.imgur.com/cTZfL.jpg
Istebraks contouring & core shadow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPJdATnEfQA
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What do you guys think to take away the thoughts of that you arent maby not getting any better att art. Bums me out right now :/
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Thanks!
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alvaarengaaa

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Day 4: This time he doesn't look feminine, but not adult also. He looks like an 14 years old teenager. And I am having trouble with the nose this time. It looks realy fake. :X
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hiya alvaarengaaa <3
Before I start I must say that your skin surface is so inviting to go and just stroke over it, so smooth and soft. Really love that.
Anatomically your eyes/eyebrows are sitting too high. The eyes are supposed to sit in the middle of the face length in this frontal view. The nose is being to high as well. Especially guys you dont want to give cute short noses, it takes away masqulinity if thats a word :)
So to get the measurement under control I recommend using construction helpers:
alphonso dunn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYjpkg6vrlg
proko:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZLkyTuX_w
proko eyes placement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko

The light condition in the 14 day challange is the most simplest you will stumble over. It is coming from front and above the camera. Which is causing the nose lower lip and also the jaw chin cast shadows. It is called butterfly lighting or paramount lighting, if you want to check on that.
What you are telling with your eye/nose shading is that from brow on the eye and nose vanish apruptly backwards. Which can sort of happen with guys haveing massive brows, but! the nose would not have that extreme fall off. It is part of the browbone system and is coming out of the face.
http://3qtu1m3ypm5t4vj8530cfjbq.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/models-hairstyle.jpg


The value of the lower lip is colliding with the value you chose for your cast shadow. Your lips also got almost the same value apart from the highlight. The upper lip should be darker than the lower lip because it is facing away from the light source. Even without highlight. That then gives you the possibility again to stick with your cast shadow value under it.

You got a halo around your eyebrows. That happens when we do not know where those side planes start. The temple area dark value actually travels up to the where the brows have their turning point or peak. Introducing side planes to your face will also reduce the baloony effect you got on the upper skull.
I recommend checking on the planes of the head or the
asaro head: http://i.imgur.com/cTZfL.jpg
and Istebraks contouring & core shadow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPJdATnEfQA

Your nose holes miss radial shading, maybe refreshing knowledge here helps:
noses and radial shading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeceAgW7fBM (37:45)
noses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJ3N8Vx_Lg (26:42)
cg cookie nose chart: https://cgcookie.com/app/uploads/2015/06/noseresource.jpg
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nelson vieira

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So, this is my problem! And the question is, what would I study to get my sketches a new level? is it the anatomy, values, proportions??? 
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G3neric Art's profile photoFilipa Semedo's profile photo
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You're trying to stylize the anatomy before you know how to do it accurately. I would say anatomy is the number one thing you need to study. Start with simple drawings of the male and female body, don't try any challenging poses at first. You should be able to draw a person standing from any view (front, back, etc, without perspective) before you move on to more complicated things. I would suggest you use reference but not at the same time as you draw because that's how I finally learned proportions instead of just copying them. Once you've got the basics try drawing different body types: fat people, short people, tall people, etc. This will help you create more diverse characters later on. Only then would I worry about painting, values, materials, etc
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Eli Os

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hi Eli <3
Anatomically the eyes are being too high and the nose and mouth too low. The eyes are supposed to sit in the middle of the face length in this frontal view.
To get the measurement under control I recommend construction helpers:
alphonso dunn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYjpkg6vrlg
proko:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZLkyTuX_w
proko eyes placement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko

The eyes tilt is a tiny bit extreme and they dont yet feel as if they have a spherical structure underneath.

the cast shadow under the nose is missing.

the upper lip should be darker than the lower lip because it is facing away from the light source.
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Jordan Wenger

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Day 4 of this for portrait study. Let me know what you guys think I should do to improve.
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Okay then, be careful with values. This is a really stylized photo but some of the principles still apply- if the light is coming from above and the head is a sphere, you need to first paint in the major "beard" shadow, then move on to the different planes. Even when you added highlights, you still highlighted her too equally which makes her face look flat.
There's a much larger difference in average value on the upper/lower part of the face in the photo than in your image.
Just brighten her from the nose up and blend really smooth, then you should achieve something similar as the photo. 
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Helle everyone <3 I know this has nothing to do with art and there are a lot posts out there which want your critique but I'm really interested in this community and the people I'm interacting with.

Soooo....may I ask you how old you are? :)

(I'm sorry if you feel offended but there are not enough options to add every age hence I oriented on the chat response of the last live stream. )



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G3neric Art

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DAY 3_ CC would be great. ty for the comments on the last time. Tryed to reduce it to the simple value and get rid of all that fancy stuff. Also tryed to think more about how light creates the form. I will do some more single studys on form and try to apply the concept to the "mosaic" planes which i started with at day 1. 
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Thx i will take some notes. Maybe i should pull some reference for the eyes to have a more natural look there as well. Yes i am still fighting with the contrast, alwys thinking it is to low. :) But youre right.
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CFalconPunchedUHard

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Day 1 of 14! I think i have contrast issues and I think i need some more studies for details on the eyes/mouth/nose. Head shape is good? Feedback would be awesome!
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Hey +CFalconPunchedUHard! (Best username ever :D )

Did you per chance watch the video where Istebrak puts hard edges on a similarly blurred image?

youtube.com - Critique Hour! What is rendering, and some gender/beauty talk!

And these videos are for rendering hard and soft edges:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfQNadGEPBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ECPgA2hjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCWbf-3iD0

Because it's quite impossible to critique this as detailed as a more finished piece, you have some ideas where main planes of the face are and what the values are and where the features sit but you see how unfinished yours looks comparing to others on this site? We may have problems in other areas, but for you it's kind of hard to say.

See, soft brush all around means too safe, now I don't know if it's your hardware/software/beginner jitters/confidence/patience/knowledge problem, but do something, paint with a hard edge brush and however you know to paint the features for day 2 and we can go from there okay?
Good luck! 
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