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Terry Simmonds

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Now that Google has stopped showing Authorship photos, is it time to start using authorship properly on pages more?

i.e. mark up all blocks of content on pages to their respective authors, mark up comments to their authors, mark up reviews to reviewers, mark up content written by businesses to the business, etc.?
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+Tony McCreath yes, you can do it to any block of content, doesn't necessarily just have to be comments.

"Last I heard it just attributed authorship to the first link it found on the page."

That's partly my point, Google attribute the 1st Author for display purposes, but in my opinion that doesn't mean we don't mark up other content too.

The whole Authorship for display purposes has ruined the implication of authorship, even Google themselves use multiple author tags in Google+
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Does the temoval of author pic from SERPs mean we can now use fancy profile pics
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Good Morning +Swadhin Agrawal as far a I am aware, the profile photo is still an authorship requirement even though the image is not included in the snippet.
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Bad news! Google is removing the author picture & circle count from search results.
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+Grace Massa Langlois
 thank you I'm new at google+ so it's all is still a bit abracadabra for me
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What would cause my photo to not appear in the search results of a page I've authored? I can see my name and it linking back to my G+ profile but I don't see the headshot.

Page in question; http://www.pditraining.net/DistanceEd/OnlineSalespersonPrelicensing.cfm
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+Charissa de Scande Lotter You say "Google Authorship is not yet dead." Do you think this change means that it may be on its way out, though? I'm genuinely curious.
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Bradley Smith

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+Mark Traphagen, I've been following the recent news on Authorship without images. I came across your +Search Engine Land post over the weekend. Great observations. Great research. This article is a good resource on the current state of Authorship without photos. Bookmarked! Here's the link again in case anyone missed it: http://searchengineland.com/google-removes-author-photos-search-mean-195236
The search world was rocked by yesterday’s announcement by Google’s Webmaster trends analyst John Mueller that Google will be removing all author photos and Google+ view counts from search results on both desktop and mobile. This change will roll out to all users over the next few days. The pressing question for most people is […]
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Anyone have some coffee? ;-)
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Some new insights on the dropping of Authorship photos from search here! 

Biggest piece of new news: for now, all you need to get a byline result is to have Authorship properly set up. No content or author quality qualifications. That may change again in the future.
 
John Mueller Elaborates on Google's Dropping Author Photos from Search

Big HT to +Joshua Berg for alerting me to this video, and for his participation in it.

As many of you know, Googler +John Mueller was the one who broke the news that Google will soon be dropping all author photos from search on both desktop and mobile. For my take on this news, see http://stonet.co/1lwxaDm

Yesterday Mueller was asked in the Google Webmaster Central Office Hours Hangout to elaborate on this change.

At 37:23 (and continuing for about two minutes) he pretty much reiterates what he said in his first announcement:
 
- The change was a user interface and experience decision as Google moves toward a "mobile first" implementation (a consistent appearance across both desktop and mobile).

- On mobile, author photos eat up both considerable display resources and space on the screen.

- He repeated his assertion of "no perceptible change in CTR" without any further elaboration (+Joshua Berg I wish you had gone after him on that one! But see below for John's eye tracking study remark, which may obliquely address this.)

- Tiny author thumbnails in Google News and In Depth Articles search boxes may remain, but he wasn't sure.

Is Author/Content Quality Still a Factor?
They return to this subject at 48:33. +Joshua Berg notes that it has always been true that different authors got differing levels of Authorship credit in search, assumedly based on their authority and the quality of their content. Since last December, this was reflected in some authors more frequently getting a photo snippet, some just a byline, and others losing authorship snippets altogether.

Joshua asked John if there would still be a similar differentiation in the new version of these results.

John answered that actually he thinks they will now concentrate more on just the technical aspects of whether or not authorship was implemented correctly on the page. So now, if you don't get even the byline, it will usually mean that you didn't set it up correctly. (Aside to +Grace Massa Langlois - you should take note of this!). 

He went on to say that therefore if you have Authorship set up technically correct, you will likely get the byline. In other words, for now, there is no consideration of content quality or author authority for the Authorship rich snippet!

John went on to say that in the future they may have to reevaluate that position once they get more experience with the byline only results. He promised that there will be continued experimentation. If they see that people are using the bylines as a gauge of how great or trustworthy an author is, that might be impetus enough to try to re-implement some kind of quality factor into whether or not one gets a byline.

Maybe Too Many Author Photos
John then hints that part of why they may have done this is that there was too much Authorship in some query verticals. They don't think it's a good user experience when any feature too dominates in results.

Maybe This Is Why CTR Is No Longer A Big Deal for Author Photos
He also makes a passing remark about the eye tracking studies from two years ago. These were studies done that showed that people's attentions were powerfully drawn toward the results with faces next to them. John suggests that that effect may have worn off over the past two years as people got more used to seeing face photos in search. That may explain why he said that Google now sees little CTR difference between non-photo and photo search pages.

John launched off from that to make a more general remark on why they sometimes make these kinds of large changes in search. People remark, "Why did you have to change it? It was working fine!" but Google's data actually shows that over time user behavior in response to whatever the feature is actually has changed. Some things lose their effect over time, while others might gain, and that necessitates changes.

John remarked that Google search will never remain static. Users should always expect change because the way people use and interact with search is constantly evolving. But no change is done on a whim; it is always based in solid data over time. 

#authorship   #googleauthorship   #authorrank   #googleauthorrank   #seo  
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Jean-Christophe Lavocat

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Community profile picture
So, with all these changes, what will we take as a profile picture for this community +Mark Traphagen  ;-)
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+Jean-Christophe Lavocat that's a good question. Hadn't even thought about it. Will have to consider for sure.
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Mike Arnesen
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Is anyone else seeing author photos and circle counts back in their SERPs?
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They disappeared for me yesterday afternoon and have remained gone.
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Wolfgang Godec

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At last: Only Money counts? Google is removing author photos from search results. All the work done - what for? 
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You`re right, Mark, I do not.  But it was a good argument for quite a lot of my customers to implement goggle+ and authorship in their websites ... and not only facebook. So if Google in a next step should also erase authorship in general all this work was worthless. And the money my customers invested in implementing Google+ instead of Facebook.
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Joshua Berg

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Here's my solution contribution, to the Authorship picture vanishing act. But frankly I'd rather see Google bring them back.

Not gonna hold my breath about this, Google Search is always changing & always will.
 
The Instant Google Authorship & Rank 'Restorer'

We all know how important profile images are for Google authorship search results. So after thinking much in-depth about the problem, I've found a "solution" to bring them back, which conveniently also does not run afoul of Google's quality guidelines.

Do you think The Secret (law of all the universe) also applies to Google Search results?


[In case you missed it, yesterday John Mueller announced that Google Search results will no longer show profile pictures & follower count. plus.google.com/+JoshuaBerg/posts/Dbtzpu8dgp4 ]



#GoogleSEO #ChromeExtension #Sarcasm
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Discussions and news updates relating to Google Authorship, which allows content creators to connect their content from across the web to their Google+ profiles. We also discuss the theoretical Google Author Rank search ranking factor. Please keep posts on-topic and submit to the appropriate category. NO LINK DUMPING. Links to blog posts that are low value or add nothing new to our topic will be removed. If you share a link, please explain its relevance to our topic. SPAM WILL GET YOU BANNED! Our profile photo: Photo Credit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91281489@N00/923398621/ by Arbron, via a Creative Commons license. Photo manipulation by Mick Sharpe. Community Owner: Mark Traphagen

Mark Traphagen
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In Depth: Seminal Posts that Go Beyond the Basics  - 
 
What's Next for Google Authorship & Author Authority in Search?

My in-depth article for +Moz 
Does Google Authorship still matter once photos no longer show up in SERPs? Mark Traphagen considers why they were removed and what's next for Authorship.
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Very important issue - thanks +Mark Traphagen 
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Hashim Warren

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Authorship WITHOUT the markup?

I'm seeing authorship assigned to me even on sites that I have not claimed through Google's standard process.

Here's one example:

I do NOT have BET.com listed as one of the sites I contribute to, even though I did write there.

BET.com does NOT have author markup on their pages.

Yet, in Google Webmaster Tools I'm getting stats on the BET.com pages where Google id's me as the author. And I in Google's SERPS I see that my byline is clickable.

+Mark Traphagen  Is it already known that Google can connect authors without verification through authorship markup? Or did I stumble upon something new?
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Interesting. I leave it to the experts. My guess is that Google may recognize the connection via an email address, or your web history, or any related links that it can make.

While this is great for authorship, it does bring up the need for a pseudonym account for any content that we don't want connected in any way to ourselves.  (like if we might make inappropriate jokes)  :)
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Tribute to Google+ :
When I don't know where to look, what to do or where to go...
I can Google+ a source and discover what, where, who
I never have to leave
Though for eyesight sake not cleave
I'm grateful I can weave 
Through Google+ to know
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Ann Smarty
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It has just occurred to me that another positive change after photo removal seems to be the fact that we are now getting more than one authorship snippet per SERPs?
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Ah, that makes sense... Thank you +Ann Smarty for bringing this up..I wondered what had happened to our authorship photo
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What Google Search Results Look Like without Author Photos

Hit me a couple hours ago. Here's my initial observations. One nice surprise for active G+ users!
Here's What Google Search Without Author Photos Looks Like The rollout of the new Google search with author photos removed just hit me. There is a slight… - Mark Traphagen - Google+
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+David Saunders is that in personalized search? And are those people you have in your circles?
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Terry Simmonds

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Google Structured Data Testing Tool updated to reflect no Profile photos in Authorship.

I see the SDTT no longer shows Profile photos when Authorship is set up,

Also publisher photos are no longer displayed when publisher is set up.
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Thanks +Mark Traphagen. I also noticed most of the errors were unrelated to the markup. I double checked the markup in source code like 3 times too. That's why I thought it may be a bug. I even looked up the errors on schema.org but there is no information about what would trigger them. 
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Mark Traphagen
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Are Byline Only Authorship Results in Search Worthless?

Google's announcement that they will begin removing all author photos and Google+ counts from search results was met with a chicken little reaction from many content creators and webmasters.

Without the author photo, their assumption is that Google Authorship has little to no value. I try to counter that assumption in my +Search Engine Land article at http://stonet.co/1lwxaDm as does +Cyrus Shepard on +Moz at http://stonet.co/1nPxfie

But what about that which remains, the author byline? (See below for a screenshot of what an Authorship result now looks like.) Is it useless? Many assume so since it doesn't draw the eye as powerfully as a face image. I'd like to offer an alternative view.

The Text Under Your Google Link DOES Matter
More and more SEO's are advising their clients to optimize their meta descriptions for their pages. Not because it helps ranking (it doesn't), but because a lot of people really do scan those descriptions before deciding which result to click on.

When I analyze my own search behavior, I see this in action. We assume that the #1 result gets most of the clicks. That's probably true in most cases, but it isn't 100% and not automatic. Many times something about the top result doesn't make me want to mindlessly click it. In those cases, I start to scan the other results.

What do I look at next beside the linked headlines? The meta descriptions, that snippet of text that Google puts right below the clickable headline. If a webmaster has optimized the meta description well, then it gives me a quick summary of "what's inside," letting me know this might be a page truly relevant to my query.

Say Hi to the Byline
Since the byline appears with that meta data, it becomes part of that scan. People will see it, and if you begin to earn a reputation as an authoritative writer on your topic, it will matter.

And even if you aren't (yet) known to that searcher, the fact that there is a byline indicates the linked content is by a real person who is proud to have his or her name associated with it. That becomes an important trust signal that may earn you the click over a result that has no byline.

What do you think?

(Screen cap from +Search Engine Land article by +Barry Schwartz http://searchengineland.com/google-plays-authorship-search-results-dropping-profile-image-google-circle-count-195163)
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Google's changed the maze and the lab rats will have to hunt for their cheese again. Ask us when we've tried it for a while?

As +Jean-Christophe Lavocat says if I search for Kgalagadi gemsbok I find (on page 3) my blog with byline and a peer-reviewed 
http://repository.up.ac.za/handle/2263/36969
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"Google Plus for Business" yielded these very author photo rich results this morning. I was using Chrome, with private results turned off.

Is the author photo reduction just taking some time to fully roll out?

#googleauthorship  
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Yes. According to the MozCast Features Graph, no effect was seen across their test queries until some time yesterday, and that only a 2% drop. This is going to come very gradually apparently
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I was, like many others, also surprised to hear that Google would remove profile photos from SERP. They looked nice and it was good promotion. 

But the profile photos was probably more important to us (webmasters) than it was to the end user on Google. 

And I think it is important that people remember, that even though the profile photo now will be removed, Author rank will still exist. Google will still let more authorized content rank higher. So it will still be important to use Google Authorship.

I have written a post about how I think this can affect our rankings in Google.
Last year Google gave us Google Authorship - but now they take away profile pictures in SERP. Should I still use Google Authorship in the future?
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