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William Zwick

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Ok. This was a great line in the article. I am posting this because not only is it witty, but does anyone agree that this is where we are currently headed?

It’s probably true that nobody is going to sling homophobic slurs at you but that’s mostly because your friend Hillary Clinton and the Democrats will have rolled out so many new hate-crime laws that if you so much as suggest that Neil Patrick Harris wasn’t funny at the Tonys they’ll send you to a re-education camp to make you watch ‘Cabaret’ on an endless loop with your eyes forced open like Alex DeLarge.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/05/why-should-we-give-gay-kids-or-anyone-for-that-matter-false-hope/#ixzz3f4wcNwLU

* Note: I wanted this to be a poll, but darn if I can't get that to work on my tablet...

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gained a bunch of Internet praise over Fourth of July weekend because she wrote a comment on a photo of a gay kid and told him that his life is going
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Larry Olson

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Of course "Trump resonates". Anyone with celebrity who says what he says on these issues with resonate.

Another election, another chorus of media and GOP Moderates in mortal fear of patriots saying embarrassing things that will, as they say, harm their brand.

The Moderates are correct in this sense, unwittingly honest: The Republican Party is a brand for them, a label on a box that they place themselves in. They are miffed that you are smudging the box, Conservatives. They were planned on selling it.

But it's about putting themselves in the box and nothing other than that. They see themselves as the Republican Party, just as an English king would once say "I am England". It's not about the Republican Presidential candidate failing, let alone a Conservative. Democrats do not follow living Democrat Presidents into the White House, they haven't done so for over 150 years.

The so-called "undecided" voters you hear about every campaign year, the people who turn the election and whom all campaigns seek, are undecided precisely because they aren't interested in electing the incumbent party. If they are Democrat voters who desire another Democrat in the WH, they already know it, and it is not kept a good secret from pollsters. 

Democrats are working furiously to change that situation, by importing a new electorate who will vote for their party a large majorities. That boat may have already sailed. Whether poor, illegal, legal immigrants, what-have-you, it is human nature that they will vote for the party that strips the natives of their wealth and position, and redistribute it to the newcomers.

But this next year, the nominee of the GOP will almost certainly be the next President, regardless of his Conservatism or lack of. I do not hope for freaking Donald Trump to lead the GOP primaries and be nominated. Scott Walker is probably the guy. But I would happily vote for Trump if he rides a wave.

I should be embarrassed/concerned about the possibility of "the Donald", but less so about the outgoing Chicago race hustler and the wife of an impeached President appealing to his base?

If it weren't for the elastic nature of the American people, they would have finished us already. Without it we would feel very Greek and twice as foolish. It's our tendency to permit innovators to do as they like, and the rest of us working for the sake of work, that has kept us going at a fair quality of life. 

Anyway, Trump doesn't scare me and he certainly doesn't make me fear for their "Republican brand".
Advocates for tougher border laws are cheering Donald Trump’s controversial statements.
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I think winning a landslide midterm and not doing a damn thing with it doesn't do much for the "Republican brand", either.
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Phil Nelson

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OK, ladies of The (Conservative) Union. Don't say I never mangled anything for you.

The battle hymn of the mattress girls

(To the tune of, well, you know. No, the other you know!)

I feel triggered, oh so triggered
I feel triggered and loaded with might
And I pity any girl who isn't me tonight
I feel harming, so much harming
It's alarming how much harming I feel
I'm so triggered that I hardly can believe I'm real
See the triggered girl in that mirror there
Who can that victimized girl be
Such a triggered face, such a triggered dress
Such a triggered smile, such a triggered me
I feel moving and progressing
Feel like marching, advancing for spite
For I love to give fearful boys a fright
See the triggered girl in that mirror there
Who can that victimized girl be
Such a triggered face, such a triggered dress
Such a triggered smile, such a triggered me
I feel moving and progressing
Feel like marching, advancing for spite
For I love to give fearful boys a fright
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Pradheep Shanker
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Before the declaration, the standard political theory went something like this: God anointed a king, who is the locus of sovereignty on earth. Though the king is supposed to rule decently, it is the duty of everyone else to submit to the king, who is answerable only to God. The king might grant you rights, but if he did so that was an act of generosity on his part, not an entitlement on yours.

Divine-right political theory was understandably popular with kings and their supporters and hangers-on, and a form of it survives in assorted variations today. But the declaration takes a different approach. It says that rights come from God, not from the king, and that they are "unalienable" — that is, incapable of being sold ("alienated") surrendered, or given away.

What's more, rather than rights coming from the government, government exists to protect rights. Government, in the declaration's explanation, exists to protect rights, and rather than subjects enjoying rights with the consent of the government, the government itself rules only by the consent of the governed. And when the government fails to live up to its duties, and the people no longer consent to it, it becomes illegitimate and subject to replacement by something the people like better.
More than complaints about a king, the Declaration of Independence was a justification for rebellion that applies today.
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Phil Nelson

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If you love liberty, stop caving to Democrats!
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Well Judge, we've become a nation of cowards. We let our children become indoctrinated instead of educated. We did it to ourselves.
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Leslie P
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When Conservatives Latch on to the Wrong Causes
Peter Wehner begins an important discussion here. He specifically mentions Mike Gallagher's show, but that's not the main thing. He's talking about the current defense of Trump, the Confederate Flag, and anti-vaxxers.

The issue is not that some conservatives disagree on those topics - that's actually a sign of health in the movement. We're not sheep, we disagree on stuff, that's good.

it’s the passion he brought in defense of them that was striking to me. Why would he feel moved to give defense to the anti-vaccination movement when vaccinations are one of the greatest achievements of biomedical science and public health? (Gallagher tends to frame this as a parental rights issue, but also argues that “we don’t know” whether autism is caused by vaccinations, when in fact there’s no link based on any credible science.) Why, given the fact that the Confederate flag was the symbol that represented succession and slavery, would Gallagher criticize South Carolina Representative Mick Mulvaney for reversing his stance on flying the flag on state grounds? (Gallagher argued that the same logic that led to bringing down the Confederate flag could lead us to bring down the American flag.) And why defend Donald Trump, who is hardly a conservative, for his crude and misleading statements on illegal immigrants from Mexico? (Trump didn’t say that we should secure the southern border and there are bad people who sometimes come across it illegally; he said Mexico is sending us people who are criminals, drug deals and rapists — and some, “I assume,” are good people.)

This doesn’t make us enemies or unable to find common cause and co-exist in the same movement. There are already too many loud and agitated voices on the right urging excommunication for those who disagree with them.

HOWEVER...
If conservatism is associated in the public mind with defending Donald Trump, the Confederate flag, and the anti-vaccination movement, it’s going to rapidly shrink in size and influence and intellectual seriousness.
Donald Trump is compelling serious conservatives to defend unserious causes, and it will have a terrible effect on the party.
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What +Arthur Brownlee IV​ said.. Boom!
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Bob I

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So nothing was learned from this kind of lunacy last go round? Government bureaucracy at its finest.
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+Andrew Eva True. I built my first home from scratch, and gave it to my first wife. 
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Michael van der Galien

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Boom! Cruz Supporters Combine to Raise Over $51 Million Dollar for Presidential Bid

Cruz: "We’re reassembling the Reagan coalition – from conservatives to libertarians to people of Faith – and with the help of so many supporters, we will be able to deliver our optimistic message all across the country.”

#TedCruz   #TedCruz2016   #GOP  
In just over three months, campaign raises over $14.2 million and Super PACs raise over $37 million HOUSTON, Texas – Supporters of Texas Senator Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign have already raised more than $51 million, giving Cruz one of the strongest war chests among those running for president. In just over 3 months, the campaign has raised more than $14.2 …
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Annie Oakley

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An interesting break down of recent US Supreme Court cases and how each Justice voted.
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Very interesting. I'll have to read some of the opinions later. 
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Ron Lewenberg

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Sherman help draft Declaration of Independence, and Bill of Rights. He's the only Founding Father to also have signed the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution.
Roger Sherman's role in the creation of the American republic
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Pradheep Shanker
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The political theory announced in the Declaration of Independence can be summed up by the proposition I mentioned above: First come rights, and then comes government. According to this view:

The rights of individuals do not originate with any government, but pre-exist its formation.

The protection of these rights is both the purpose and first duty of government.

Even after government is formed, these rights provide a standard by which its performance is measured and, in extreme cases, its systemic failure to protect rights—or its systematic violation of rights—can justify its alteration or abolition.

At least some of these rights are so fundamental that they are “inalienable,” meaning they are so intimately connected to one’s nature as a human being that they cannot be transferred to another even if one consents to do so.
An excerpt from "Our Republican Constitution: Securing the Sovereignty of the People."
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Since rights cannot be given by the government why should have to you ask permission?
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Pradheep Shanker
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The media continue to dismiss Republican Rick Perry’s presidential prospects even as they pretend that Democrat Bernie Sanders poses a serious threat to Hillary Clinton. Mr. Perry has a far better chance at becoming President than Mr. Sanders does, and last week the Texan gave the speech of the campaign so far.
Texas Governor Rick Perry challenges Republicans and Democrats on the politics of race, says The Wall Street Journal in an editorial.
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He seems like an honorable man.
Barring any pain medication induced slips of the tongue,
I think he can make a decent run at the Presidency.
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Pradheep Shanker
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WHOA.
Republican Senator Ted Cruz and the outside groups supporting his presidential bid have raised more than $51 million in the three months since he launched his campaign for president, according to a statement from his campaign on Sunday. Cruz, who announced his candidacy on March 23 in a speech at the conservative school Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, has raised far less in donations directly to his campaign than his supporters have co...
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+Pradheep Shanker Actually is a very poor form of stimulus, as it creates very few jobs.  Imagine how many jobs would be created if we spent it on infrastructure.
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Pradheep Shanker
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To be an American is to know a blessing that none of us has earned or merited, to have liberty not because we deserve it but because of who we are — endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rights. None of us has earned that liberty, but we do have the opportunity — and it is precious — to live up to it. The Union army once had the courage and the confidence to march singing “Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!” Those men were facing a national crisis and physical horrors worse than anything our generation has known, or is likely to know. They endured: We have now seen 239 years of liberty and prosperity unprecedented in all of human history, a longer span of time than that which separated the Year of the Six Emperors from the fall of the Roman empire.
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I heard a wise economist once say "deserved is an impossible to decide, it's probably a good thing we don't get what we deserve". 
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Ryan Bickmore
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Amen to this.
Is America really that great? Or is the United States just like any other nation? Outsiders tend to be the best judge of character, and Nick Adams, a best-selling Australian author and political commentator, gives an outsider’s view of the USA.
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+Leslie P​ thanks for the laugh. :) I needed a good chuckle this evening. 
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Stephen Walters

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President Obama is discussing giving back Guantanamo Bay to the Cubans as part of his pro-communist policy.  Two critical elements of this massive policy change must be understood.

1.  Naval Air Station Guantanamo Bay is a major strategic US Navy base that the US has operated since 1903.  It serves a vital US foreign policy interests from drug interdiction to stemming illegal migrant flows, and is the only US military base located within a communist country.  The US can lease this strategic location for as long as we like, per the agreement with Cuba.
http://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_guantanamo_bay.html

2.  The Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility, GITMO as its now commonly called, is just one small tenant organization on the Naval Air Station.  Closing The Naval Air Station to close the Detention Facility, which is at the heart of White House policy, is like closing down Washington DC in order to close the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum.
Installation Information. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba is on the front lines for regional security in the Caribbean area. The base supports the ability of U.S. Navy and Coast Guard ships, along with allied nation ships to operate in the Caribbean area by providing contingency and quality ...
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Pradheep Shanker
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Venezuela is pretty close.

The Bernie Sanders campaign comes a close third. 
There will be no winners in this showdown between Left-wing fantasists and the European project’s true believers
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Daniel Stoddart

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Proglodytes don't understand cause and effect. 
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Jay R North

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Darn, I missed the fun which cause +Leslie P​ to wield the ban hammer.
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