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Two copies will be given away during our MGP3 Study Group session. You must be present to win.
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Carol Kuse

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Mastering Genealogy Proof
Carol Anne Kuse
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Reference:
Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogy Proof (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogy Society, 2013), 6
[Book available from the publisher at:
http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/cs/masteringgenealogyproof]
 
My Chapter One Homework Assignment:
 
Question 1:  Genealogy is research mainly finding and proving forgotten and/or
                        unknown people and relationships with as much accuracy as possible.
 
Question 2:  Genealogy Proof Standard consists of five interdependent parts.
                        1.  Reasonably exhaustive search to answer a question.
                        2.  Complete source citations for every piece of information found.
                        3.  Analyze and compare all pieces of information found.                      
                        4.  Resolve any conflicts between the pieces of information and the
                             proposed answer.
                        5.  A written statement supporting the answer.
 
Question 3:  My first response would probably be Why? Followed by a no.
 
Question 4:  A conclusion cannot be formed without all five elements thus proving.
                        Thus it is either proven or unproved.
 
Question 5:  The first step is a reasonably exhaustive research to answer questions
about a known person.
 
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I give up I have fought this thing all day. I think I have it in Google Doc, but it will not let me post it. Google says it does not recognize the url http://bit.ly/MyrtsNext.  I have tried everything I can think of. I even tried every help link I could find with no luck.
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Michelle Dickens

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If a state agency changes names over time, should a citation list the name as it reads on a birth or death certificate, or the name as it exists now? For example, my grandfather's death certificate from 1978 lists the Missouri Division of Health, which is now known as the Missouri Department of Health (shown on my father's death certificate from 2000). 

Michelle
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Michelle Dickens

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OK, my head is swimming with all these MGP concepts. I'm awaiting my copy of Evidence Explained, so hopefully that will help, but I have a question first. If I am in possession of a certified copy (derivitive record) of a birth certificate, is the repository me or the state department of health who created it? 

I think I miss the days of being an oblivious name collector haha!
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+Michelle Dickens - What I find that is helpful, are two things. 1) What am I looking at, and 2) Where did I get it from.

+Laura Cosgrove Lorenzana gave you all of the good stuff to consider and that his is FUN !!!

The citation has 5 questions to answer, and we talked about this in the MGP Study Group a number of times. 

I'll just add one thing to what Laura said, is that the Citation will remind ME where I found that information. My breadcrumbs back to that source.

The way you would sight what you have in your hand or files would be different from where you saw that record either online or at a repository. I cite them both. The copy that is in my file and the repository of where I got my copy from.

When you get Evidence Explained, read the first 2 chapters carefully and several times. It was helpful to me to try to understand those 2 chapters before trying the rest of the book. The rest of that book is the detailed How To's, but the concepts are in those first two chapters.

Hope that helps.

Russ

(and it IS fun)
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Michelle Dickens

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I've been watching the YouTube videos of the first MGP study group. Somewhere along the way (chapter 3 maybe?) there was a discussion about recognition of a family member's handwriting in a bible entry. Is that considered to be a valid analysis of a piece of information? For example, in my baby book, my late father wrote my birth information and also some family tree info. I am sure it is his handwriting, but I can't really prove it. Does my first-hand recognition of his handwriting "count" as making the source more credible to a peer reviewer?
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And don't forget, don't arbitrarily designate bible records to secondary information.  Some families are religious about the father adding his newborn child to the family bible within minutes, hours or days of the birth, depending on where the bible was located.    

While they most often are secondary information, you might find that at times it is indeed primary.  My Great Aunt Nellie's Bible Birthday book is secondary (written at a later undetermined time by someone not present), but my sister's and my birth entries in our family bible are primary (entered by my mother).  
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Pat Richley-Erickson
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FTM2014 - Mastering Genealogical Proof Chapter 2 Review
I was reading +Hilary Gadsby's blog post: Reviewing my Previous Post - What goes Where and What Next ? at masteringgenealogysoftware.blogspot.com and was wondering how FTM2014 would do with what the Mastering Genealogical Proof [1] Study Group 2 has been ta...
I was reading +Hilary Gadsby's blog post: Reviewing my Previous Post - What goes Where and What Next? at masteringgenealogysoftware.blogspot.com and was wondering how FTM2014 would do with what the Mastering Genealogical Proo...
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Pat Richley-Erickson
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THIS is where all may VIEW and COMMENT, before during and after this Hangout on Air to be held Sunday, April 27, 2014. MGP2 Study Group sessions will be held at:
10am Eastern (New York)
9am Central (Chicago)
8am Mountain (Salt Lake City, Denver)
7am Pacific (Los Angeles)

Clicking below will give you the number of days, hours, minutes and seconds in your time zone we are scheduled to begin.
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Pat Richley-Erickson
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THIS is where all may VIEW and COMMENT before, during and after the study group session. We are working through Chapter 6 GPS Element 4: Resolving Conflicts and Assembling Evidence in Thomas W. Jones' Mastering Genealogical Proof, Sunday 13 April 2014 starting at 10am Eastern US (New York). If you click the start button below, you'll see the countdown for your time zone. You may have to hit refresh at the top of the hour.
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I was on vacation during this discussion, but here's my homework: http://www.cluewagon.com/mgp-study-group/
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Hilary Gadsby

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I hope to expand on some of the answers in further posts which I hope to post next week. Have not had time to complete how I would wish this week.
Reference: Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Proof (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2013), 6. [Book available from the publisher at  http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/cs/mastering_genealogical_proof ] ...
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I particularly liked *There is no way of verifying who wrote the entry and any challenge to what is recorded would have to be verified with other records in order to challenge or correct any erroneous information. This can only be done if reliable official records exist where the informant is unlikely to have lied."

This is really what we do as genealogists - ferreting out the truth. 😊
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DearMYRTLE
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MGP3 Study Group: Chapter 5 Analysis and Correlation. Post the link to your homework in comments below. We begin the live broadcast on Friday, 5 June 2015 as follows:
Noon Eastern US (New York) 11am Central US (Chicago) 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City) 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

If you need a time zone converter, here's one DearMYRTLE recommends: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmnMEI9sNrc #genealogy
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+Lori Meyer Unfortunately, those recording vitals in bibles weren't thinking of later generation genealogists coming along; if the bible even survived.  Would it be as fun and challenging if everything was signed and dated?
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Elizabeth McMurrey

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What do you all recommend as far as reference books for source citing?  I have the Dr Jones book, and hear a lot about "Evidence Explained".  Do they cover the same information? Should one have both on their shelf?  Are there others that are recommended?  Thanks for your thoughts.
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Thanks for all of this great information.  I will definitely be adding "Evidence Explained" to my library in the very near future.
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Ann Royal

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I made it into ProGen 23 study group.  Yeah!!!  Got the book for my birthday!  Starts June 2nd.  Yippee!!!   Can't wait.  BTW, +DearMYRTLE , I've talked with a few fellow studiers, and you are mentioned quite a bit - all of it good.  Some have been watching the Youtube version of MGP1 and MGP2.  Thought you'd like to know.  :)
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I will, but as long as your app is in, if there are a few no-shows, because life happens, who Knows +Cheri Hudson Passey you might get lucky!   
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Michelle Dickens

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How do others source and cite personal knowledge in the world of genealogy? For example, I'm an eyewitness to my own marriage or my own residence in a particular location (but not to my own birth as I learned in the MGP book!). To me, it seems like this should be documented as primary information but do I have to write it all down first? I didn't really "interview" myself but that is the closest format that seems to make sense. 
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Good answer, Karen. Personal knowledge is all we may have until a concrete source, say a document or dated wedding portrait, comes to light. 😊
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Pat Richley-Erickson
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Great analogy! I'm sure Thomas W. Jones will get a kick out of it. 😊
 
Thoughts on Mastering Genealogical Proof: Chapter 7-Writing or Making Genealogical Soup

The written conclusion, the answer to a particular single genealogical question, is like a delicious soup. Soup, when skilfully prepared from carefully selected ingredients, develops just the right flavour for the diner. Not everyone likes the same…
The written conclusion, the answer to a particular single genealogical question, is like a delicious soup. Soup, when skilfully prepared from carefully selected ingredients, develops just the right...
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Loved the! Great job +Sue Adams
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DearMYRTLE
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THIS is where all may VIEW and COMMENT before, during and after the MGP2 Study Group. We are finishing up our studies following Dr. Thomas W. Jones' advice in Mastering Genealogical Proof.  Ol' Myrt here will be signing on from Bradenton, FL where I'll have just attended my friend's funeral. How precious our time is together. I'm proud of our panelists, and am please so many have been tuning in and working through the chapter assignments on their own.
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+Tony Proctor
 I'm sure you will return to normal colour soon. I don't want you to hide ;-)
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Hilary Gadsby

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I bit later than I intended as I was not sure how to deal with the answers to the questions 3-7 without quoting too much from the book.
I decided to go with discussion linked to yesterday's post.
Reference: Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Proof (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2013), 6.  [Book available from the publisher at  http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/cs/mastering_genealogical_proof ] ...
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Hilary Gadsby

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Follow up to my earlier post
This post is a follow on from my previous post about the parents of my grandmother Florence Ann Compton. If you have not read that post I suggest you read it first to give you the background information http://genemeet.blogsp...
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I was thinking the same thing Hilary!  It would make things so much easier!  
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wilma rich

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Question - If I were to write a note that said I was the mother of Steven Lawson and had it notarized would that be considered an original document containing primary information that directly answers the question: Who is the mother of Steven Lawson?
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Thanks, Just try to better understand the whole evidence analysis thing.
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