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To the community: I pinned this for community comment, review and feedback.
+Matt Uebel asked me to rewrite them 9 months ago, and I think this covers everything. Please offer your  suggestions below including  new questions/ answers you want added to the FAQ

< If I linked you to this post, it was for a reason:
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Our Community is mainly about: The MInd-Body Problem
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#TheExplanatoryGap   < >

#TheHardProblem of Consciousness <  >

( and  #CognitiveScience
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I actually expect to see some discussion about this, or related to this; in peoples posts.
< If you do that,  they wont be de-listed  >

Our Main Category *Cognitive/General , is for rigorous posts about the Academic discussion of that.
Please, do not abuse that.

We, very generously, have Non-rigorous categories like:
The Watercooler , SoapBox  , Theology of Mind
< For misc socializing,  Manifestos, and "Lets Pretend" , respectively  >  .

But this isnt really a Psychology, nor a 'Group Therapy' community.

If you are new, I suggest you click the links up top, and read all that information
 *<*  Old Community Guidelines  Please go here and PLUS:  > .

List of Community Topics <  >

We are a Humanities-based community, AND a Science-Based Community.  ( even Math-too ) .
Feel free to ask me any questions, about our Topics.
If I cant answer it ( and if I can ), I can teach you how to look up the answers.  I am just a humble student of the Subject, and will freely share what I know.

< I really am here  to discuss 'Philosophy of Mind' , I'd rather be treated like your friendly reference-Librarian, than  a hall monitor. 
My Knowledge is _very broad, ---but not very deep. >

All posts/ shares/ links/Videos/ need Full Introductions!:
That means NO Linkdumping / Blogdumping

< For more on that:  What is Linklitter >

All shares must have written copy  ( excerpts ) on G+  .
I  _suggest_  at least 5 paragraphs .
< To fix: Go to Upper Right corner, "edit post",   Copy/paste >

< You want to know  why
 Please, No!
Because we are the Mods,  and we say so.
Because its 'GPlus Best Practices' .
Because G+ Excerpts are too short to useful, and are a total failure. 
--- Because I have a Personal Relationship with #Proust .  Just do it >

All posts and shares,  that reference peer-reviewed Journal-Science, or other Academia; should have direct links on G+,  to the source.
(  Journal Links on G+  )

If your post/share/link requires a MOD to leave G+, to see if its ontopic ( or just Bullshit ) ,  Then its offtopic!

this: v v
If you expect Unpaid Mods to surf the Internet  ( to read your article, watch your video, read you Blog --- then its offtopic

If you frequently use Ad-homimens or just act like a Jackass, we probably ban you. This is a Philosophical Discussion Community; this isnt Romper Room, and I'm not Barney the Dinosaur

More on Community Behavior: *<*  >

            ~ No Bigotry/ Hate:
Philosophers of all colors/races/ages/genders/ sexualities;
Members of all, any or none: Cults/ Religions/ Devotional Practices /Philosophies of Life and Mind, are welcome here, and should not feel singled out.

< But No Proselytizing:!
  If you are genuinely  confused where POM or Theology of MInd  ends, and Proselytizing begins; kindly ask a Mod before posting on that.   >

Please DO: Create an Introduction Post
This is your One chance to Introduce yourself to the community.
( Mods will filter out excessive self-promotion. ) 

Please DONT:
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 --- they crash my computer

No Plusbait
If it says, "like me, share me, read me, add me", in this community, that means "Ban Me" . JUST NO!

If you see a macro in this community, FLAG IT! Dont Plus it, Dont share it! They are TOXIC to a Philosophical  Discussion Community.

Macrospam are pictures with fake quotes ( "they are all fake" ) and cliches. 
I flip them over, and ban every-person that plusses and shares them. Really, I do .
That's why this community still exists .

NO "thoughts of the day" No "Deep Thoughts"
<*If it was really deep  , you would have 300 words with it, talking about its relationship to Consciousness *>
Post it in your stream. They don't belong here.

Please Do: share directly on-topic
raise and Invoke one of our many subtopics in your introduction
< For noobs, here is 101
For Oldtimers, Please Use Chalmers Full Bibliography >
Explain in your post, what it has to do with #PhilosophyofMind ,
while referencing a POM Trope/topic.
<  Making a Philosophical Discussion why something is ontopic, can make a share ontopic; since that is Philosophy  >

Please DO:
Create Posts you are willing for members to disagree with ;  and have counter-arguments.
That is what people do in a Philosophy Community.
<  that is one really good reason for not bringing your personal cult, or religion here. >

Please DONT
Tell me ( us )  what to do, or how to live our lives.
This is not the community for Preaching, "Life-coaching", or Motivation, Management, / self-help etc. If you are posting a series of unsolicted/advice , unasked for Behavior Modifications, it will go down the wrong way in this community.

TLDR I dont want see any busybody bullshit. You are not a Moderator. You may have little idea how to run your own life; please don't do it other members here. In this community you are not a Guru, or a priest. Mods only do this, for Modding, because we have to .  
Please Save it for your personal stream.

< Yes< i know we have a "moral" category.  ( shrug  ) .  ASFAIK its for 'Moral Problems'  ( Do you push a fat-man in front of a trolley to save lives? ) , and debating merits of Moral Systems  . Ask the owner > 

NO Online-Begging:
Post your charity appeals in your own steam.  I'm probably poorer than you. If I cant pan-handle here, neither can you!

This community is mostly  dedicated to the study of  "What IS"  ( consciousness, phenomena  ) Not , what we should do about it. 
For more on that: Humes Guillotine

The owner has banned "Philosophies of Life" , "Pop-science" , "pop-psychology" , and General New-Age Fluffiness. 

If a mod asks you to edit a post , or gives you personal attention, you ought to be flattered. You are receiving free help.
Most other Communities, simply delist posts which Violate Guidelines.  ( without explanation or help ) . We are showing you care.

Please Dont:
Take it personally, if a mod asks you to add something to your post, to make it on-topic. We are helping you, and encouraging community members  to lead by example:Obvious   On-topic Posts attract other on-topic posts, and members.

Please DONT:
Argue with Mods over the guidelines; Play stupid; deliberately waste the Mods Time, or Troll the Mods; 

The guidelines exist for a reason: To hold open one place on Google Plus,where the open discussion of 'Philosophy of Mind' tropes  takes place.   There are other sandboxes, if you dont like ours.

If you want  have an argument: That's AWESOME!:
DO Create an Argument about the Mind-Body Problem , or Consciousness ( our main topics )

Do Not Create an Argument 'Why the Guidelines don't apply to you' , or 'Why your posts dont need an introduction' etc.

This Community is NO longer entertaining those arguments.  They are offtopic!
< No I really dont care that you work for ad-laden Blog like ... 'Scientific American' .
You aren't paying me for my time, you didn't create this community; This community exists to Promote Philosophical Discussion on Google Plus ---- not just as free advertising, for your crappy blog.   >

Remember, Mods work for you for free. We are volunteers.  Please respect that.
If you really wish to have such a discussion, ( why you get to ignore guidelines ) Please offer a mod a donation for their time; and write to them privately  .  
(Yes, If you really want to waste our time, you pay us for the privilege )

< If you have an ad-laden blog, and are making money off your links:  The Mods are willing to allow you to Sponsor the Community with Cold Hard cash, if you wish to bypass General Guidelines. >

But, If you refuse to Sponsor us: we make demands of you; you dont make demands of us .  No exceptions! >

No Bible-thumping, No Cults, No Guruisms . No Preaching. No Moralizing.

Posts which Beg questions of: Idealism, Theisms, Aesthetics , atheism, or any religious Dogmas, whatsoever; belong in Theology of Mind 
Oh, and they still better have a discussion about Philosophy of MInd , Consciousness, and the Mind-Body Problem ( Our main topics ) .  You are expected to be able to figure out how to post to that topic yourself.  

Mods reserve the right to delist to any  Theology-type posts in Rigorous Categories.

Now: Please  Have fun, Dont be a Dick, and Teach me something New.

Minor Doses of Reality:    ....The world is round. Try and Deal with it; The Sky is UP.  Ice is cold. Fire is Hot.  Deal with it ;
The Universe is, at least,  Billions of years old.   Deal with it;  The earth goes round the sun. Deal with it;
DNA is real:  Deal with it; DNA tell us Humans share 99%+ DNA with Bonobos and Chimps.  They are apes. That means Humans are also Apes. Just Deal with it:  go to Therapy  , I dont care, ... These are incontrovertible facts.

This is not the community to argue whether the  Earth is, or is not, round.  If these facts disturb you, Blame your Absent God. Blame your parents, Blame the Government .

 Ask yourself:  'Why you cant see the beauty of the story of life, and consciousness?'

Reality is not the Mods fault.

  #PhilosophyOfMind   #CommunityGuidelines  


Q: Whats A FAQ 
A: /facepalm
Its a section for F. requently A. sked Q. uestions , that people are too lazy to  Google or even read. 

Q: Can I post my Blog? 
A: NO! I hate your Blog and Ive Never seen it. 

Q: But its On Philosophy Of Mind ?
A: *REALLY, People often say that, but it usually isnt true. 

Q; But Im working on PHD/ I'm a neuroscientist/ Its My Dissertation

A: OH, its on Actual Academic  Philosophy, why didnt you say so? Oh, YES. Post it. We need more of that. Lots of it.

Q:  _I also have a Blog, about My personal Musings/ doings curls+ Loading Creatine/ self-improvement / Juicing after 50 / We are one with the Universe and all connected/ I am a "Magic Spirit" and I can give you an exorcism / Firewalking / I am LifeCoach/ Motivation Speaker/ ......

A: I mean this in the nicest way possible ...Imagine  if your very  best friend  took your hands in his , looked at you sweetly in the eyes, and told you with a smile: To go FAQ yourself! 

Q:  _I have a book I want people to BuY_
A:   And I care because ..... ?  
( the only correct answer to that Question In this community,  Is its on Philosophy of Mind Tropes ) 

Q:  _MY Book Is Amazon, its an Ebook_ 
A:  Fine, then you are an author doing a Book-tour. You are not an author linkdumping here for advertising. 

Do a hangout,  Post a Lecture on your Book on Youtube and link it here, 
give out Free ebooks for review by members, write an excerpt for our community, Publish a chapter here. In otherwords "ACT like a Professional" , and we will treat you like one!!

Q:  _Why are you so grumpy?_
A:  Lotta reasons.  Personally, I am a pain-patient. But This community has massively tried the patience of most mods till they quit.   

I know out of 170,000 people who joined less than .25% even read the Guidelines before posting. 

Those are the only  people I mod for.  If you are reading this, that is you 
You are elect, the almost super-awesome elite. But of those people even fewer have ever, even  looked up our topic .

Q: Where did you learn all this
A:  I'm insatiably curious about the Mind and consciousness. Mostly a Google Search!  That and I found  David Chalmers Philosophy of Mind page ( ) and appropriated it ,  for our community 

Q: Have you,  the reader,  Googled our Topic? 

Q:  _What books do you recommend ?_
A:  Godel, Escher, Bach ; Check our book section. I posted a few more. ... I regularly weed it,  so its nice reference guide . 

< To be edited  with other mods Recommendations *>

Q: What Blogs do you Recommend ?
A:  Philosophy Bro,

 Ill get back to you ...

<* To be edited  with other mods Recommendations *>

Q: What Websites Do you recommend?
A: , .

and all the ones I posted at the top for reference.




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It's all Galileo's fault!

Interesting issue this month from PhilosophyNow

The Case For Panpsychism
Philip Goff thinks that everything has some degree of consciousness.

Neutral Monism: A Saner Solution to the Mind/Body Problem
Sam Coleman seeks a balance between two extreme views of consciousness.

The Integrated Information Theory of Consciousness
Hedda Hassel Mørch asks: what is IIT all about?

Does Consciousness Cause Quantum Collapse?
Kelvin McQueen asks whether minds could directly influence physical reality.

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VR and Latency: Aesop lesson
Aesop’s “The Tortoise and the Hare” may bring some light on latency problem in virtual reality: the hare (aka computer) is either behind or ahead of the tortoise (the user), which means that some latency (positive or negative) is unavoidable.

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Infallible logic removing childish arguments.

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I will soon (8/5/17) be presenting a paper at the American Psychological Association Convention on a revolutionary alternative to the psychiatric diagnosis system (DSM). Beforehand, I am hoping to get some feedback about my preliminary draft. 

Does God exist outside the mind of believers?

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The Nine AI Minds You Don't Know, But Should Follow ASAP

#Cognitive #ArtificiaLIntelligence


The Nine AI Minds You Don't Know, But Should Follow ASAP

Forbes Technology Council
Mark Minevich

Mark Minevich is the principle founder of Going Global Ventures and venture partner of GVA Capital in Silicon Valley.

While the public is becoming aware of the possibilities of artificial intelligence, I’ve been evangelizing, researching and working with it for years. As a fellow of the U.S. Council on Competitiveness, a senior advisor to the United Nations Office for Project Services, and a member of both the World Artificial Intelligence Organization and B20, I’ve been researching AI (and sharing what I learn) for years.

If you’re not following great AI minds, you’re missing a lot of important discussions. Add these nine Twitter feeds for the most up-to-date information on all things AI:

1.Roman Yampolskiy:
Computer scientists are analyzing the unintended consequences of poorly designed AI systems and those with ethical frameworks dissimilar to human values. AI also represents cybersecurity’s next evolution, both as a threat and a solution. There are critical questions surrounding AI, and Yampolskiy, founder and director of Cybersecurity Lab, is delving into the dark side of it.

Social ImpactVoice

At the cutting edge of deep superintelligence, Yampolskiy discusses how the world will adapt to the dangers faced by AI replacing humans in productivity roles. He also looks at scenarios where humans might combat malevolent AI.

2. Murray Shanahan:

A senior research scientist at DeepMind, Shanahan is an expert in artificial consciousness. His book, Embodiment and the Inner Life, inspired the Oscar-nominated screenplay for Ex Machina. Rather than copy human biology, he believes we should create a separate version of AI from scratch for artificially intelligent machines.

Shanahan has successfully converged AI, robotics, logic, dynamical systems, computational neuroscience and philosophy of mind. He’s also presented a new perspective on creating robots outside of human form and its implications on technological singularity.

3. AdAelyn Zhou:

Quidsi, a startup that Zhou worked for, was acquired by Amazon for $545 million. She was quickly promoted to senior marketing manager. The current CMO of TOPBOTS, she has worked with Amazon, Nextdoor and Eventbrite, and is recognized as one of the top 50 people in growth.

I admire Zhou’s constant work to educate people on the potential of bots and the greater opportunities of AI combined with growth. Her Twitter account is a great resource for infographics, articles and studies on what’s happening in AI.

4. Martin Ford:
According to Forbes, we could very well end up in a future with significant unemployment in every sector due to AI. K*nown for *his speaking and writing on the influence of robotics and automation on the job market, Ford believes white-collar jobs are at higher risk for automation than blue-collar jobs. He’s known for giving five- and 10-year predictions on AI’s influence on the job market.

Regardless of whether we end up enslaved by machines, we’re certainly going to need to learn to work with them. His book, Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, is worth the read, and his Twitter account is a great AI follow.

5. Gary Marcus:
Overnight, it seems every tech startup got involved in AI, throwing terms like “machine learning” and “deep learning” around while marketing “smart” products. A professor of psychology at New York University, Marcus founded Geometric Intelligence, recently a*cquired* by Uber, where he launched the company’s R&D lab for AI.

Marcus’ efforts t*o update* the Turing test spurred a worldwide movement, and his research on AI learning provides clarity in a complicated industry. His Twitter feed supplies an AI reality check when needed.

Forbes Technology Council is an invitation-only community for world-class CIOs, CTOs and technology executives. D*o I qualify?*

6. Adam Coates:

Director of the Baidu Silicon Valley AI lab, Coates is a leading researcher at Stanford University and an advocate of deep learning and deep speech. He was an early proponent of applying high-performance computing techniques to deep learning and developed the most sophisticated autonomous helicopter in the world.

He also worked on perception systems for household robots and is training networks with billions of connections for state-of-the-art speech systems capable of imitating accents. I admire Coates’ work in enhancing the AI community’s understanding of leveraging technology for better human-machine interaction.

7. Amir Shevat:

Shevat is the head of developer relations at Slack, the former developer relations manager at Google, the mentor for Elevate (Europe’s first bot accelerator), and the author of Designing Bots: Creating Conversational Experiences.

He wants companies to extend their services to conversational interfaces and make them easier to interact with. He engages developers around the world and ensures they thrive on Slack’s platform.

8. Yann LeCun:

Deep learning became one of the most active areas in modern computer research and seems well-suited to matching existing platforms. As Facebook’s AI director, LeCun wants to unleash this to make machines smarter and is one of the names most closely associated with deep learning.

LeCun’s brilliant, rational approach provides a good outlook on our capabilities and future with AI. He’s obsessed with integrating end-to-end learning so machines understand good representations of data. His feed shows how AI is already being leveraged.

9. Chetan Dube:

Dube is the president and CEO of IPsoft. Before forming IPsoft in 1998, Dube was fascinated by the Turing enigma, which examines whether machines can think. As opposed to narrow AI (where nonsentient programs are focused on narrow tasks), Dube’s research has focused on deep AI. He pioneered the use of AI-enabled digital labor across industries. He’s been awarded several U.S. patents for developing cognitive models, and EY recognized him as "Entrepreneur of the Year" for leading research in AI emulating human thinking and approaching the Turing horizon.

Dube believes that within the next nine years, it will become harder to distinguish Androids from man. Chetan envisions a world where man and machine work closely together to build a radically more efficient planet.

Following these nine leaders of AI’s present and future will ensure you’re no longer missing some of the biggest conversations happening in the industry.

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Sunday Sermon?:

Camus On #Phenomenology, Life and #theAbsurd...

Don’t you think embracing the irrational can also be transcendent? Isn’t that what philosophers of phenomenology are talking about?

The spiritual universe becomes incalculably enriched through them. The rose petal, the milestone, or the human hand are as important as love, desire, or the laws of gravity. Thinking ceases to be unifying or making a semblance familiar in the guise of a major principle. Thinking is learning all over again to see, to be attentive, to focus consciousness; it is turning every idea and every image, in the manner of Proust, into a privileged moment. What justifies thought is its extreme consciousness.


As great a Sunday Sermon , as you deserve to hear. Camus in Brooklyn, True words, #Kripke be proud, from another #PossibleWorld

Ingenuous: Albert Camus

A reconstructed conversation with the great writer about science and the absurd.


I had always dreamed of meeting Albert Camus and so was thrilled when he appeared at Lucey’s Lounge, a dark and yellowy lit bar in Brooklyn.

The Algerian writer had graciously agreed, or so it seemed, to be interviewed about absurdity, the concept in philosophy to which his name is forever attached.

He was as casually handsome as a film star off the set, though a tad overdressed for this warm night, perspiring in a gray suit and vest, his black tie undone. He paid for our scotch-and-sodas with cash—“Your national drink, is it not?”—and left a generous tip. “No one ever has change in this country,” he said with a weary smile.

Arriving from his home in Paris, Camus was torn about New York. “The heart trembles in front of so much inhumanity,” he remarked. Equally entranced and repelled by Times Square, he felt in rhythm with the midtown traffic, the gilded skyscapers piercing the blue sky.

Although the city’s anxious circus had exhausted him, he seemed at ease in this Brooklyn neighborhood, Gowanus, which was barely hanging on to its industrial past. We sat on a bench outside the bar as subway trains rattled along the track overhead. Camus smoked aimlessly.1

This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.

Celebrated for his novels, including The Stranger and The Plague, and his philosophical essays, notably The Myth of Sisyphus, Camus, seldom noticed by critics, thought about science and the scientific principle, and referred to them in his work.

He was a close friend of Jacques Monod, a French biochemist, who won the Nobel Prize for illuminating key processes in how genes manufacture proteins. Monod was outspoken, and not long after World War II published a scathing essay in the French newspaper, Combat, formerly edited by Camus, of Soviet science, and in particular Soviet scientist Trofim D. Lysenko, who maintained heredity resulted not from internal genetic processes, but was shaped by environmental forces; as a result, humans could intervene and modify plants and animals in any way they desired.

As a pioneering geneticist, whose experiments helped prove genetic mutation could be a strictly internal process, and what’s more, influenced by chance, Monod punctured the bubble of social engineering, and the science from which it supposedly derived. “Lysenko’s claim that Mendelism must be incorrect,” he wrote, “is, of course, completely absurd.”2

Monod had long admired Camus, and after the pair became friends—a mutual acquaintance said at dinner parties the scientist and writer would complete one another’s sentences—he clearly influenced Camus. In his book The Rebel: An Essay on Man In Revolt, Camus, though he doesn’t mention Monod by name, seemed to be drawing on the scientist’s experience and authority in attacking Marx and communism. I was anxious then, back in Brooklyn, to hear what Camus had to say about science, as he detailed his philosophy of the absurd for me.

I love this line from The Myth of Sisyphus, “At any street corner the feeling of absurdity can strike any man in the face.” What do you mean?

A lday comes when a man notices or says that he is 30. Thus he asserts his youth. But simultaneously he situates himself in relation to time. He takes his place in it. He admits that he stands at a certain point on a curve that he acknowledges having to travel to its end. He belongs to time, and by the horror that seizes him, he recognizes his worst enemy.. Tomorrow, he was longing for tomorrow, whereas everything in him ought to reject it. That revolt of the flesh is the absurd.3

In other words, we know we’re going to die someday. Then what?

In a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.4

Science that was to teach me everything ends up in a hypothesis, that lucidity founders in metaphor.

How does this feeling color the perceptions of people?

At certain moments of lucidity, the mechanical aspect of their gestures, their meaningless pantomime makes silly everything that surrounds them.5

Give me an example.

A man is talking on the telephone behind a glass partition; you cannot hear him, but you see his incomprehensible dumb show: You wonder why he is alive. This discomfort in the face of man’s own inhumanity, this incalculable tumble before the image of what we are … is also the absurd.6

I think everybody has experienced that shock of clarity—the moment when the universe seems pointless. Our senses seem to come alive to the “scents of grass and stars at night,” as you say.

Yet all the knowledge on earth will give me nothing to assure me that this world is mine. You describe it to me and you teach me to classify it. You enumerate its laws and in my thirst for knowledge I admit that they are true. You take apart its mechanism and my hope increases. At the final stage you teach me that this wondrous and multicolored universe can be reduced to the atom and that the atom itself can be reduced to the electron. All this is good and I wait for you to continue.

You tell me of an invisible planetary system in which electrons gravitate around a nucleus. You explain this world to me with an image. I realize then that you have been reduced to poetry: I shall never know. Have I the time to become indignant? You have already changed theories. So that science that was to teach me everything ends up in a hypothesis, that lucidity founders in metaphor, that uncertainty is resolved in a work of art. What need had I of so many efforts? The soft lines of these hills and the hand of evening on this troubled heart teach me much more. I realize that if through science I can seize phenomena and enumerate them, I cannot, for all that, apprehend the world. Were I to trace its entire relief with my finger, I should not know any more.7


The sciences provide the most accurate descriptions of the world. Science is windows into reality. I don’t mean to sound too fanciful, but I would say that’s poetry. So what’s the problem?

You give me the choice between a description that is sure but that teaches me nothing and hypotheses that claim to teach me but that are not sure. A stranger to myself and to the world, armed solely with a thought that negates itself as soon as it asserts, what is this condition in which I can have peace only by refusing to know and to live, in which the appetite for conquest bumps into walls that defy its assaults? To will is to stir up paradoxes. Everything is ordered in such a way as to bring into being that poisoned peace produced by thoughtlessness, lack of heart, or fatal renunciations.8

So it’s imposing order on the world to which you object? I follow. Science, though, doesn’t fix the world in place. It is always thinking. So are you saying reason, when it shapes the world into a single mold, is absurd?

Intelligence, too, tells me in its way that this world is absurd. Its contrary, blind reason, may well claim that all is clear; I was waiting for proof and longing for it to be right. But despite so many pretentious centuries and over the heads of so many eloquent and persuasive men, I know that is false. On this plane, at least, there is no happiness if I cannot know. That universal reason, practical or ethical, that determinism, those categories that explain everything are enough to make a decent man laugh. They have nothing to do with the mind. They negate its profound truth, which is to be enchained. In this unintelligible and limited universe, man’s fate henceforth assumes its meaning. A horde of irrationals has sprung up and surrounds him until his ultimate end. In his recovered and now studied lucidity, the feeling of the absurd becomes clear and definite.9

The rose petal, the milestone, or the human hand are as important as love, desire, or the laws of gravity.

So true clarity of mind is to see the world as absurd?

I said that the world is absurd, but I was too hasty. This world in itself is not reasonable, that is all that can be said. But what is absurd is the confrontation of this irrational and the wild longing for clarity whose call echoes in the human heart. The absurd depends as much on man as on the world. For the moment it is all that links them together. It binds them one to the other as only hatred can weld two creatures together. This is all I can discern clearly in this measureless universe where my adventure takes place.10

Don’t you think embracing the irrational can also be transcendent? Isn’t that what philosophers of phenomenology are talking about? They want to describe phenomena, peel back clichés, and get to the heart of our experiences, no?

The spiritual universe becomes incalculably enriched through them. The rose petal, the milestone, or the human hand are as important as love, desire, or the laws of gravity. Thinking ceases to be unifying or making a semblance familiar in the guise of a major principle. Thinking is learning all over again to see, to be attentive, to focus consciousness; it is turning every idea and every image, in the manner of Proust, into a privileged moment. What justifies thought is its extreme consciousness.11

Exactly. That sounds pretty great to me. Why do you object to phenomenologists like Edmund Husserl?

Husserl’s manner of proceeding, in the beginning, nevertheless negates the classic method of the reason, disappoints hope, opens to intuition and to the heart a whole proliferation of phenomena, the wealth of which has about it something inhuman. These paths lead to all sciences or to none. This amounts to saying that in this case the means are more important than the end. All that is involved is “an attitude for understanding” and not a consolation … In other words, phenomenology declines to explain the world, it wants to be merely a description of actual experience. It confirms absurd thought in its initial assertion that there is no truth, but merely truths.12

The writer Sarah Bakewell has some wonderful insights into the phenomenologists in her book, At the Existentialist Café, which, by the way, gives you a top billing. She writes perception, as the phenomenologists see it, is “all the senses working together holistically.” She quotes another leading phenomenologist, Maurice Merleau-Ponty: “In the movement of the branch from which a bird has just left, we read its flexibility and its elasticity.” I love that. But I see what you mean by the danger of personal truths. This moment in time feels particularly slippery. Everybody feels they have a right to make their own facts, and nothing holds us together. It’s terrifying, really.13

There exists an obvious fact that seems utterly moral: namely, that a man is always a prey to his truths. Once he has admitted them, he cannot free himself from them. One has to pay something. A man who has become conscious of the absurd is forever bound to it. A man devoid of hope and conscious of being so has ceased to belong to the future. That is natural. But it is just as natural that he should strive to escape the universe of which he is the creator.14

What’s the real problem with any unifying theory about the world?

It aims to enumerate what it cannot transcend. It affirms solely that without any unifying principle thought can still take delight in describing and understanding every aspect of experience. The truth involved then for each of those aspects is psychological in nature. It simply testifies to the “interest” that reality can offer. It is a way of awaking a sleeping world and of making it vivid to the mind. But if one attempts to extend and give a rational basis to that notion of truth, if one claims to discover in this way the “essence” of each object of knowledge, one restores its depth to experience. For an absurd mind that is incomprehensible.15

Let’s get to the heart of the matter. What’s the real benefit of an absurd view?

To shed light upon the step taken by the mind when, starting from a philosophy of the world’s lack of meaning, it ends up by finding a meaning and depth in it.16

How does a break between the world and the mind—as you define the absurd—bring us meaning and depth?

At this moment the absurd, so obvious and yet so hard to win, returns to a man’s life and finds its home there. At this moment, too, the mind can leave the arid, dried-up path of lucid effort. That path now emerges in daily life. It encounters the world of the anonymous impersonal pronoun “one,” but henceforth man enters in with his revolt and his lucidity. He has forgotten how to hope. This hell of the present is his Kingdom at last. All problems recover their sharp edge. Abstract evidence retreats before the poetry of forms and colors. Spiritual conflicts become embodied and return to the abject and magnificent shelter of man’s heart. None of them is settled. But all are transfigured.17

But hell can endure for only a limited period, and life will begin again one day.

Is this why, in a pointless world, we should not just kill ourselves?

The final conclusion of absurdist reasoning is, in fact, the repudiation of suicide and the acceptance of the desperate encounter between human inquiry and the silence of the universe. Suicide would mean the end of this encounter, and absurdist reasoning considers that it could not consent to this without negating its own premises. According to absurdist reasoning, such a solution would be the equivalent of flight or deliverance. But it is obvious that absurdism hereby admits that human life is the only necessary good since it is precisely life that makes this encounter possible and since, without life, the absurdist wager would have no basis. To say that life is absurd, the conscience must be alive.18

You write and talk like a philosopher. Would you call yourself one?

I am not a philosopher, because I don’t believe in reason enough to believe in a system. What interests me is knowing how we must behave, and more precisely, how to behave when one does not believe in God or reason.19

Maybe that’s the final lesson of seeing the world as absurd: It teaches us how to live.

In a certain way, the absurd, which claims to express man in his solitude, really makes him live in front of a mirror. And then the initial anguish runs the risk of turning to comfort. The wound that is scratched with such solicitude ends by giving pleasure. Great explorers in the realm of absurdity have not been lacking. But, in the last analysis, their greatness is measured by the extent to which they have rejected the complacencies of absurdism in order to accept its exigencies … To escape complacency, absurdist reasoning then discovers renunciation. It refuses to be sidetracked and emerges into a position of arbitrary barrenness—a determination to be silent—which is expressed in the strange asceticism of rebellion.20

How do you define rebellion?

Rebellion in itself is not an element of civilization. But it is a preliminary to all civilization. Rebellion alone, in the blind alley in which we live, allows us to hope for the future of which Nietzsche dreamed: “Instead of the judge and the oppressor, the creator.” … Of all the schools of patience and lucidity, creation is the most effective. It is also the staggering evidence of man’s sole dignity: the dogged revolt against his condition, perseverance in an effort considered sterile.21

Give us an example of rebellion as creation?

Ernst Dwinger in his Siberian Diary mentions a German lieutenant—for years a prisoner in a camp where cold and hunger were almost unbearable—who constructed himself a silent piano with wooden keys. In the most abject misery, perpetually surrounded by a ragged mob, he composed a strange music which was audible to him alone. And for us who have been thrown into hell, mysterious melodies and the torturing images of a vanished beauty will always bring us, in the midst of crime and folly, the echo of that harmonious insurrection which bears witness, throughout the centuries, to the greatness of humanity. But hell can endure for only a limited period, and life will begin again one day.22

You invoke science, and the scientific principle, repeatedly to criticize Marxism. Why?

Marxism is not scientific; at the best, it has scientific prejudices. It brought out into the open the profound difference between scientific reasoning, that fruitful instrument of research, of thought, and even of rebellion, and historical reasoning, which German ideology invented by its negation of all principles. Historical reasoning is not a type of reasoning that, within the framework of its own functions, can pass judgment on the world. While pretending to judge it, it really tries to determine its course. Essentially a part of events, it directs them and is simultaneously pedagogic and all-conquering. Moreover, its most abstruse descriptions conceal the most simple truths. If man is reduced to being nothing but a character in history, he has no other choice but to subside into the sound and fury of a completely irrational history or to endow history with the form of human reason.23

So the issue for you is communism’s social engineering amounts to pseudoscience, a perversion of scientific progress?

The progress of science, since Marx, has roughly consisted in replacing determinism and the rather crude mechanism of its period by a doctrine of provisional probability. Marx wrote to Engels that the Darwinian theory constituted the very foundation of their method. For Marxism to remain infallible, it has therefore been necessary to deny all biological discoveries made since Darwin. As it happens that all discoveries since the unexpected mutations established by De Vries have consisted in introducing, contrary to the doctrines of determinism, the idea of chance into biology, it has been necessary to entrust Lysenko with the task of disciplining chromosomes and of demonstrating once again the truth of the most elementary determinism.24

What do you think of that kind of social determinism?

That is ridiculous … The 20th century has also witnessed the denial of the principle of indeterminism in science, of limited relativity, of the quantum theory, and, finally, of every general tendency of contemporary science. Marxism is only scientific today in defiance of Heisenberg, Bohr, Einstein, and all the greatest minds of our time. After all, there is really nothing mysterious about the principle that consists in using scientific reasoning to the advantage of a prophecy. This has already been named the principle of authority, and it is this that guides the Churches when they wish to subject living reason to dead faith and freedom of the intellect to the maintenance of temporal power.25

Today in the United States, economic and social classes are growing apart. You write industrial production, which Marx encouraged, created a new social stratum, the technicians. Can you elaborate?

The ideal, so dear to Lenin, of a society in which the engineer would at the same time be a manual laborer is in conflict with the facts. The principal fact is that technology, like science, has reached such a degree of complication that it is not possible for a single man to understand the totality of its principles and applications. It is almost impossible, for instance, for a physicist today to have a complete understanding of the biological science of his times. Even within the realms of physics he cannot claim to be equally familiar with every branch of the subject. It is the same in technology. From the moment that productivity, which is considered by both bourgeois and Marxist as a benefit in itself, is developed to enormous proportions, the division of labor, which Marx thought could have been avoided, became inevitable … Division of labor and private property, he said, are identical expressions. History has demonstrated the contrary. The ideal regime based on collective property could be defined, according to Lenin, as justice plus electricity. In the final analysis it is only electricity, without justice.26

There’s a short passage in your essay, “Return to Tipasa,” about visiting the Algerian town you loved when you were growing up, after World War II. The passage seems to flow out of a hard-earned self-awareness. It’s wistful and beautiful and even optimistic. Can you quote it for us?

“I had always known that the ruins of Tipasa were younger than our new constructions or our bomb damage. There the world began over again every day in an ever new light. O light! This is the cry of all the characters of ancient drama brought face to face with their fate. This last resort was ours, too, and I knew it now. In the middle of winter I at last discovered that there was in me an invincible summer.”27


1. A little fun with a legend. Camus was born in 1913 and died in a car accident in 1960. He was 46. All of his “answers” in this reconstructed interview, with one exception (Footnote 19), are drawn from his writings. His remark, “the national scotch and soda,” appears in his essay, “The Rains of New York,” included in Lyrical and Critical Essays, translated by Ellen Conroy Kennedy, published 1968. The other quotations about New York are from his book, American Journals, translated by Hugh Levick, published 1989.

2. It took scientist Sean B. Carroll, rather than any Camus biographer or critic, to unearth, through some wonderful investigative reporting, Camus’ friendship with Jacques Monod. To learn about Monod, an extraordinary scientist and fearless social advocate, and his mutual friendship with Camus, read Carroll’s 2013 book, Brave Genius: A Scientist, a Philosopher, and Their Daring Adventures from the French Resistance to the Nobel Prize. The Monod quote about Lysenko is from Brave Genius. As is this timely Monod remark: “Whenever objectivity, truth, and justice are at stake, a scientist has the duty to form an opinion, and defend it.”

3. The Myth of Sisyphus, by Albert Camus, translated by Justin O’Brien, published 1955. Vintage International edition, p. 14

4. Ibid, p. 6

5. Ibid, p. 15

6. Ibid, p. 15

7. Ibid, pp. 19-20

8. Ibid, p. 20

9. Ibid, p. 21

10. Ibid, p. 21

11. Ibid, p. 26

12. Ibid, p. 43

13. At the Existentialist Café: Freedom, Being, and Apricot Cocktails, by Sarah Bakewell, published 2016, p. 232

14. Ibid, pp. 31-32

15. Ibid, p. 44

16. Ibid, p. 42

17. Ibid, p. 52

18. The Rebel: An Essay on Man In Revolt, by Albert Camus, translated by Anthony Bower, published 1956. Vintage International edition, p. 6

19. Quoted in Albert Camus: A Life, by Olivier Todd, translated by Benjamin Ivry, published 1998, p. 408

20. The Rebel, p. 8

21. Ibid, p. 273

22. Ibid, p, 276

23. Ibid, p. 219

24. Ibid, p. 219. “De Vries” is Hugo De Vries (1848 – 1935), a Dutch botanist and geneticist, key in discovering the role of genetic mutation in evolution.

25. Ibid, p. 220

26. Ibid, p. 213

27. “Return to Tipasa,” published in 1952, included in The Myth of Sisyphus, p. 202

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