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Brady Postma
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Now that our membership has changed quite a bit, I'm curious where we stand ideologically. In seeking the right balance between public safety and the right of emergency self-defense, what kinds of weapons do you think ought to be legal? Pick the answer that is the closest fit for your views, even if it's not a perfect fit.
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No guns, mace or tazers, and few knives
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Non-lethal weapons only (mace & tazers)
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Rifles/shotguns allowed, handguns banned
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Semi-auto allowed, but not full-auto.
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The type of weapon is not the point.
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The only votes are for status quo gun control rules and "The type of weapon is not the point."
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Mike South

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Hey, Brady says he just added a bunch of members, I figure it's a good time to repost this link.  It's a good thing to have handy when discussing gun control on the internet:

http://reddit.com/r/dgu

Basically, it's a subreddit where people post stories from their local news about defensive gun use.  Generally speaking, you can go there and get a dozen stories from the last week about people all over the US using guns to defend themselves.  It's a "warts and all" site where they also list cases where people are less than responsible (they mark it with "bad form" tag or whatever--like when they chase the criminal out of their house and shoot at the getaway car).

To me, all you have to do is read through a few of the stories and you can immediately see why regular, ordinary, non-extremists need guns to protect themselves from the bad guys.  Plain and simple.  
A subreddit dedicated to cataloging incidents in the United States where legally-owned guns are used to deter or stop violent crime.
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+Wundering Whi that's exactly how I feel :).  Such a perfect, perpetual response to the drumbeat for unilateral disarmament.
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Brady Postma
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I just approved a dozen new members. Welcome, newcomers! Please feel free to introduce yourselves and say a little about your background and why you're interested in the topic of guns.
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Brady Postma
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I've been silent for an awfully long time, but I'm going to try bring things back a bit. To that end:

Imagine two adults live in the same household. Both are legally eligible to own firearms. One wants one, and the other is insistent on not bringing a firearm into a home that is, after all, theirs as well.

If they both continually press the issue, should the gun ultimately stay or go? Should the law choose who wins, and who should it choose? Are there other factors to consider?
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I think the law prohibiting convicted felons from owning a firearm should be refined. If the felon had used a weapon in the commission of a crime or committed a violent act, then I would agree to restrictions. All non-violent offenders should be allowed to own a gun.

As to the prohibition extending to other residents of the felon's home, I disagree with that. I believe the responsibility for securing firearms, should extend to the gun owner in all cases. That may require additional expense and limited personal access in some cases, but it is better than a blanket prohibition. I also believe that when gun crimes are committed with the use of guns belonging to others, the owner should be held equally liable if their guns were not reasonably secured in a manner to preclude unauthorized use by others, especially minor children.
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DinoDad32

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Thank you - some communities do throw a fit and ban me - I will always try to be respectful
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Brady Postma
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Member Dues came to $100,531,465. Total revenue is $227, 811, 279. There are plenty more details in the source.
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Brady Postma
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Where is the line drawn between guns (aka, small arms) and such weapons as tanks and rocket-propelled grenades (aka, heavy weaponry)? Is it drawn in the right place?
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Why not? It's a good community but maybe allow for a slightly broader topic of discussion, that may help.
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Brady Postma
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Some have claimed that the US Government is buying up all of the ammo. The NRA says that's crap, and that ammo prices and scarcity are the result of normal market forces.
http://tmblr.co/ZspvhxuqUNDF
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Over spending or more control.
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Brett Wilkins

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The fundamental problems I see here are poverty and parenting. Remove the poverty aspect and you remove the motivation to steal for the most part. The parenting concerns are more difficult to qualify. I am left wondering what a 14 year old kid was doing out of bed at two in the morning and how his parents were unaware of the fact. Given that his older brother called him a professional thief, it would seem that a higher degree of vigilance would have been used by his parents. Being that Louisiana has no Castle Law, Landry was acting outside of his legal rights. In states where the "Make my day" law is in place, this would be an open-and-shut case. The racial aspect of this scenario is sensationalist hype by the media. Nothing presented in the article is indicative of a racially motivated shooting. Landry was probably acting hastily, but that does not make him a racist. I might well have followed the same course of action, finding an uninvited stranger on my property at 2:00 AM. Under those circumstances, age and race become far distant secondary concerns. That person has put themselves in the position of representing a potential threat to me, my family and my home and that is a dangerous place to be. 
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Stephen Smith

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http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/de8f352d9f6cce88542bceb7e04d356f_M.jpg A group of U.S. senators asked if the NSA has created a national gun registry by keeping all electronic business transactions in a permanent database. NSA Surveillance Database: Backdoor to a National Gun Registry? The New American
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Daniel Greer
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Just dropping this in here for discussion.
 
Be careful for what you ask for... sometimes it bites you in the ass (arse for my British mates) http://www.caintv.com/obama-orders-cdc-gun-violence
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+Stephen Smith You're probably right about this being ignored. I did find the approach of the study interesting though. Investigating gun deaths as a matter of disease rather than criminality. The only thing the study really did was offer another verification of what anyone with common sense knows. Psychologically unstable people probably shouldn't have guns.
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Don Barlow

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Hi Brady, if only we Americans could trust our government on all levels we could possibly find common ground to get bad guns out of the wrong hands. I applaud your efforts for your working hard to create a greater debate .
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Their is more than one interpretation for the sacrifices of liberty. lol
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Deb Johnson

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Hi to the new folks.  I, too, have been silent about the issue. But let me introduce myself.  53, married for 27 years, live in Ottawa area, Canada.  We don't own a gun, won't own a gun ever, and I'd prefer to never have to have a gun. They aren't a large part of the culture of Canada, at all.  I'd likely be able to list on one hand those friends in Canada that have a gun in the neighbourhood of ours that's about 375 houses roughly. Crime just isn't a thing here in semi-affluent Western Quebec residential housing.  For one thing though, drugs are highly tolerated, even by police.  Go figure.  Make the drugs easier to obtain, crime goes down cocks eyebrow  Maybe you Americans could learn something from that wink

That all being said, I don't have a problem, at all, with people that do own a gun for safety, protection and their well-being.  In fact, it was due to a carefully used handgun that a blood bath was prevented in our Parliament a few weeks ago when the Sergent-at-Arms took out a crazed person who aimed to kill a few members of our government, apparently.  Yes, that was a good use of force.  Yes, there are some good uses of force.

My issue is with the people-killing  machines.  As in plural people, spraying out bullets in 1000's of rounds a second.  Why, in hell's name, can a person legally own that type of gun? What is its purpose in their house besides mass murder.  Hunters use rifles with precise shots to take down deer.  Not something I'd do personally, but I'll eat deer meat and moose and not complain. 

I'd like to see some sort of control put on, background checks done extensively and permits for people to own multi-bullet spraying guns i.e. Uzi sub-machine guns for instance (not saying that is a type of gun sold in the U.S. - just explaining what type of gun I am talking about).  Is that so unreasonable a stance?
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The group "Guns in the USA" is for discussion of guns, not one-sided support of them. Gun rights supporters are welcome (and I am one), but gun control advocates are welcome, too. The original founder of this group (who has since left, leaving me in charge) was a gun control advocate.

We take all kinds (of people; businesses are not desired). If you think she is wrong, tell her how she is wrong and how you know. But if you think she is smug, impossible to educate, or some other kind of personal criticism, keep it to yourself.
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Andrey

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I-594 Washington State Gun Control Approved     I-594 Washington State Gun Control Approved
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is this going to survive a Heller challenge?  I have literally heard nothing about the law except this video.
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Stephen Smith

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They are coming for your guns.
Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg promoted his new $50 million gun control campaign on NBC’s “Today” show this morning, in an aggressive financial push to fight the National Rifle Association’s influence on gun policy.
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+Brady Postma my opinion of corporations and lobbiest groups are pretty hard line. I think that if we need lobbiest groups to protect our rights they have ceased to be rights. I think that if their is a need for groups like the NRA, we should have already revolted. Given our present circumstances the NRA is a necessary evil.

The fact that the NRA is under attack is the war on guns. A different battle but the same war. They will divide and attack individual groups to try and subdivide us into minorities they can conquer.

I don't share your optimism Brady. I think the war has already been underway for years and the rights we enjoyed are being chipped away.
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DinoDad32

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Dino's Political Memes  - Please share
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Martin Lewitt

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It would be interesting to know whether it was just the atmospheric lead levels that the company was being asked to meet or whether the less scientifically justified CO2 regulation was piled on.  Since we are wealthy enough to do so more responsibly, of course, we should try to make production here economically feasible rather than exporting far worse pollution.
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Brady Postma
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Why do people own guns in America? The top reason by a margin of 24 percentage points is "Personal safety/protection."

I suppose no one is ever going to answer "to commit crimes," though.
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They're not offering an explanation for why the 2nd Amendment comes up so rarely; your explanation fits just fine. Nothing in their article disputes that.

Besides, since the 2010 Supreme Court ruling personal protection is part of the 2nd Amendment anyway. You can claim that at least 60% cited the 2nd Amendment by that simple logic. They just didn't cite the 2nd Amendment explicitly, which makes little difference.
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Brady Postma
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What conclusions, if any, can we draw from this data?
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The military has traditionally been a way out for some, but they would likely be disqualified due to their records of arrest and/or conviction.

Generally, I do not think governmental responses have ever been curative on a large scale, so containment has become the status quo. 
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