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Thank you Enrique XYZ for the (+) on this post it is important that there is some feed back. Who knows anymore as this page has only been notified of less than 200 or less than 100 shares in 4 years with more than 2,000,000 notified views,  after it was rede tagged,  lock out, 100% deleted and reopened after the election 100% empty. So how is it that I found in my "Ripples Search" on  my site on my page on my system posts of mine with 2000, 3000 and 9000 shares on them. I think I would be able to tell the difference between 9000 Reshare notifications and 100 or 200 in 4 years. Yes- No? Huston we have a problem. That is not to include all the suspensions of my Face Book Page, for content, before the last election,  so many that the last Wooper of a  90 day suspension was the last straw.  I will probably never use Face Book again or until that all stops. And the U.S. government, NSA or who ever can not look at and will not look at,  the social media of "NON- US" citizens from war torn regions of the world because they need to respect their rights by giving people that are not citizens free US constitutional rights. That is as absurd as trying in US civilian courts  "Terrorists" caught on the battlefield in other countries with US constitutional rights and reading them amanda rights. Trying to make a thank you note here not a post. What a mess. 

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+1'd: Compilation post work in progress build as I go post #6: a)Thank you New York Times: Post took 9 minutes to be precis: b)Donald Trump calls Mrs Clinton a liaR c)#2MORE quotes from 1947  “Planned

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a)Thank you New York Times: Post took 9 minutes to be precis: 
b)Donald Trump calls Mrs Clinton a liaR
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d)#3 More quotes from1947 " Planned Chaos" Ludwig Von Mises: 
f)More supportive quotes1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises 
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1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises 
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It is customary to call the point of view the advocates of the wellfair state the “social ” point of view as distinguished from the “individualistic” and “selfish” point of view of the champions of the rule of law. In fact, however, the supporters of the welfare state are utterly antisocial and intolerant zealots. For their ideology tacitly implies that the government will exactly execute what they themselves deem as right and beneficial. They entirely disregard the possibility that there could arise disagreement with regard to the question of what is right and expedient and what is not. They advocated enlightened despotism, but they are convinced that the enlightened despot will in every detail comply with their own opinion concerning the measures to be adopted. They favor planning, but what they have in mind is exclusively their own plan, not those of their citizens. They want to exterminate all opponents, that is, all those who disagree with them. They are utterly intolerant and are not prepared to allow any dissention. Every advocate of he welfare state and of planning is a potential dictator. What he plans is to deprive all other men of all their rights and to establish his own and his friends’ unrestricted omnipotence. He refuses to convince his fellow-citizens. He prefers to “liquidate” them. He scorns the “bourgeois” society that worships law and legal procedure. He himself worships violence and bloodshed. 

The irreconcilable conflict of these two doctrines, rule of law verses the welfare state, was at issue in all he struggles which men fought for liberty. It was a long and hard evolution. Again and again the champions of absolutism triumphed. But finally the rule of law predominated the realm of Western civilization. The rule of law or limited government, as safeguarded by constitutions and bills of rights, is the characteristic mark of this civilization.  It is the rule of law that brought about the marvelous achievements of modern capitalism and its – as consistent Marxians should say  - “superstructure,” -  democracy. It secured for a steadily increasing population unprecedented well-being.  The masses in the capitalists countries enjoy today a standard of living far above that of the well-to-do of earlier ages. 

All these accomplishments have not restrained the advocates of despotism and planning.  However it would have been preposterous for the champions of totalitarianism to disclose the inextricable dictatorial consequences of their endeavors openly. (1947 Ludwig Von Mises)

COMENTS: I have never read anything like it. This is from the perspective after the World War Two when these ideas were taken very seriously. Perhaps having a German father engineering graduate of the School of Berlin and a mother PHD in German literature issued honorably years later in face of her incompletion of her doctoral thesis from Vienna, this style is more receptive to me than the commercial Rush Limbaugh, Bill Cunningham, and at times Shean Hannity show style but they do have to make a living and rehash this same stuff from every angle imaginable. But when you distil it all down academically this is what it looks like in a paragraph or two or three. These are classic time tested positions. I had no idea the similarity was this amazingly close. I know we were on a scary repeat of the past but had no idea how exactly on argument we are today as they were in 1947 after all the violence, death, destruction, hardship pain and misery.  We humans are seemingly slow learners. This is why I am compelled to do this every day for years now as every bone in body tells me we are going down the wrong road.  (Comment: 2015 Joe Carpenter) 
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d)#3 More quotes from1947 " Planned Chaos" Ludwig Von Mises: 



What we need to do is put some of these people in jail including the bankers. Just role the dice and pick 5 or 10 Republicans and 5 or 10 Democrats and just put them in jail. Maybe find the lawyers that write some of this bad legislation and prosecute them for bad faith, abuse of process, fraud, and malpractice. These behind the scenes high paid corporate lawyers should not be exempted from liability as they currently are. That is the only reason they write these bad bills because they are exempted and have personal immunity. They all have done something illegal, criminal or worse, just look for it, and you will find it. Follow the money. Start with Mrs. Clinton and Mitch McConnell (2.9 billion-dollar earmark to pass the Health Care mess) and throw in a Supreme Court Idiot John Roberts (refuses to read a case before the court) or who ever on the court, it does not mater at this point anyway, they all are political pundits, and if not guilt by association for them, just to make it unfair for them too. If America is to survive this era of pure institutionalized corruption of ideology, beliefs, rule of law, ethics, morality, and policy someone is going to have to go to jail. The crony capitalism of the last financial collapse and bail out has not been paid for yet in this dispersal of historic proportions of crime. If they/we cannot put these criminals in jail there can be no political revival, reset of American politics and economic system, let alone, standards of best practices, procedural order, accurate accounting and valuation of the economy and the currency, Constitutional Principles, Rule of Law, and of working common sense. 

For an entire lifetime everyone says you have to get the money out of the politics and the politicians if this mess of corruption is to be ever cleaned up and fixed. Where is the discussion of “Line Item Veto” for the benefit of all?  Not on single structural solution is being discussed yet in years since the last devastating economic crash for the middle class and working poor. There is a long list of things to fix in the procedure, accounting and order of our government to restore the balances of power as intended and return the power to the States, Cities, Communities, and People, let alone to fit in accord with the “rule of law” that applies to all but those in our government. Arguments aside, Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Communist, Kleptocrats, Dictators, Autocrats, what ever, the system, “The American Constitutional System” has/had mechanisms in it to keep the crooks, criminals, con-women, barbarians, and opportunists out of our government. Unfortunately we the nation have allowed our politics to be come so corrupted by intellectually dishonest ethically compromised bureaucrats that have existed since the days of Rome no one can be prosecuted because they all are in on it and dirty.  

*(1) Decimation (Roman army)
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Decimation. Etching by William Hogarth in Beaver's Roman Military Punishments (1725)
Decimation (Latin: decimatio; decem = "ten") was a form of military discipline used by senior commanders in the Roman Army to punish units or large groups guilty of capital offences, such as mutiny or desertion. The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth".[1] The procedure was a pragmatic, yet vicious, attempt to balance the need to punish serious offences with the practicalities of dealing with a large group of offenders.[2]
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A cohort (roughly 480 soldiers) selected for punishment by decimation was divided into groups of ten; each group drew lots (sortition), and the soldier on whom the lot fell was executed by his nine comrades, often by stoning or clubbing. The remaining soldiers were often given rations of barley instead of wheat (the latter being the standard soldier's diet) for a few days, and required to camp outside the fortified security of the marching camp.[3]
Because the punishment fell by lot, all soldiers in a group sentenced to decimation were potentially liable for execution, regardless of individual degrees of fault, rank or distinction.
The earliest documented decimation occurred in 471 BC during the Roman Republic's early wars against the Volsci and is recorded by Livy.[4] In an incident where his army had been scattered, consul Appius Claudius Sabinus Inregillensis had the culprits punished for desertion: Centurions, standard-bearers and soldiers who had cast away their weapons were individually scourged and beheaded, while of the remainder, one in ten were chosen by lot and executed.[5]
Polybius gives one of the first descriptions of the practice in the early 3rd century BC:
If ever these same things happen to occur among a large group of men... the officers reject the idea of bludgeoning or slaughtering all the men involved [as is the case with a small group or an individual]. Instead they find a solution for the situation which chooses by a lottery system sometimes five, sometimes eight, sometimes twenty of these men, always calculating the number in this group with reference to the whole unit of offenders so that this group forms one-tenth of all those guilty of cowardice. And these men who are chosen by lot are bludgeoned mercilessly in the manner described above.[2]
The practice was revived by Crassus in 71 BC during the Third Servile War against Spartacus, and some historical sources attribute part of Crassus' success to it. The number of men killed through decimation is not known, but it varies between 1,000 (used on 10,000 men), or a cohort of around 480-500 men, meaning that only 48-50 were killed.
Julius Caesar threatened to decimate the 9th Legion during the war against Pompey, but never did.[6]
Plutarch describes the process in his work Life of Antony.[7] After a defeat in Media:
Antony was furious and employed the punishment known as 'decimation' on those who had lost their nerve. What he did was divide the whole lot of them into groups of ten, and then he killed one from each group, who was chosen by lot; the rest, on his orders were given barley rations instead of wheat.[8]
Decimation was still being practised during the time of the Roman Empire, although it was very uncommon. Suetonius records that it was used by Emperor Augustus in 17 BC[9] and later by Galba,[10] while Tacitus records that Lucius Apronius used decimation to punish a full cohort of the III Augusta after their defeat by Tacfarinas in AD 20.[11] G.R. Watson notes that "its appeal was to those obsessed with "nimio amore antiqui moris" – that is, an excessive love for ancient customs – and notes, "Decimation itself, however, was ultimately doomed, for though the army might be prepared to assist in the execution of innocent slaves, professional soldiers could hardly be expected to cooperate in the indiscriminate execution of their own comrades."[12]
A legend suggests that the Theban Legion, led by Saint Maurice, was decimated in the third century AD.[13] The Legion had refused, to a man, to accede to an order of the Emperor, and the process was repeated until none were left. They became known as the Martyrs of Agaunum.
Byzantine Emperor Maurice forbade in his Strategikon the decimatio and other brutal punishments. According to him, punishments where the rank and file see their comrades dying by the hands of their own brothers-in-arms could lead to a collapse of morale. Moreover, it could seriously deplete the manpower of the fighting unit.
Modern instances
During the Battle of Breitenfeld (1642), one of many battles of the Thirty Years' War, Colonel Madlon's cavalry regiment was the first that fled without striking a blow. It was followed by the massive fleeing of other cavalry units, which proved fatal and caused the final turn in the battle. The battle was a decisive victory for the Swedish army under the command of Field Marshal Lennart Torstenson over an Imperial Army of the Holy Roman Empire under the command of Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria and his deputy, Prince-General Ottavio Piccolomini, Duke of Amalfi. Archduke Leopold Wilhelm assembled a court-martial in Prague which decided that the Madlon regiment was to be exemplary punished. Six regiments, which had signalized themselves in the battle, being drawn up under arms, surrounded that of Madlon, which was severely reproached for its cowardice and misconduct, and ordered to lay down its arms at the feet of general Piccolomini. When they had obeyed this command, their ensigns (flags) were torn in pieces; and the general, having mentioned the causes of their degradation, and razed them from the register of the imperial troops, pronounced the sentence that had been agreed upon in the council of war, condemning the colonel, captains and lieutenants to be beheaded, the ensigns (junior officers) to be hanged, the soldiers to be decimated and the survivors to be driven with disgrace out of the army.[14] 90 men (chosen by rolling dice) were executed in Rokycany, Czech Republic on December 14, 1642 by Jan Mydlář Jr., the son of Jan Mydlář, famous executioner from Prague. On the first day of the execution, the regiment's cords were broken by the executioner. On the second day, officers were beheaded and chosen men hanged on the trees on the road from Rokycany to Litohlavy. Another version said that soldiers were shot down and hanged on the trees afterwards. Their mass grave is said to be on the place of Black mound in Rokycany, which commemorates the decimation to this day.
On Sept.3, 1866, during the Battle of Curuzu, one of the battles of the war of Triple Alliance, the Paraguayan 10th battalion fled without firing a shot. President Lopez ordered the decimation of the battalion, which was accordingly formed in line and each tenth man shot.[15]
In 1914, in France, there was a case in which a company of Tunisian tirailleurs (colonial soldiers) refused an order to attack and was ordered decimated by the divisional commander. This involved the execution of ten men.[16]
Italian General Luigi Cadorna allegedly applied decimation to under-performing units during World War I.[17] However, the military historian John Keegan records that his "judicial savagery" during the Battle of Caporetto took the form of the summary executions of individual stragglers rather than the formalized winnowing of entire detachments.[18] Certainly one specific instance of actual decimation did occur in the Italian Army during the war, on 26 May 1916. This involved the execution of one in ten soldiers of a 120 strong company of the 141st Catanzaro Infantry Brigade, which had mutinied killing officers, carabinieri and other soldiers. Two days later, Cadorna endorsed the shooting of the 12 mutineers, including a junior officer and three sergeants, in a telegram sent to senior commanders.
Decimation can be also used to punish the enemy. In 1918, in the Finnish Civil War, the White troops, after conquering the Red city of Varkaus, summarily executed around 80 captured Reds in what became known as the Lottery of Huruslahti. According to some accounts, the Whites ordered all the captured Reds to assemble in a single row on the ice of Lake Huruslahti, selected every tenth prisoner, and executed him on the spot. The selection was not entirely random though, as some prisoners (primarily Red leaders) were specifically selected for execution and some good workers were intentionally spared.[19]
Current usage of the word
The word decimation is often (counter to historical use) used to refer to an extreme reduction in the number of a population or force, much greater than the one tenth defined by the "deci" (as in "decimal") root. It is frequently used as a synonym for the word "annihilation" (the OED lists "annihilation" as meaning "to reduce to non-existence, blot out of existence",[20]) or for "devastation" (to lay waste), to which it bears a syllabic resemblance.


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This article is about the term for systematic corruption and thievery by the state or state-sanctioned corruption. For a state with ties or aid from organized crime syndicates, see Mafia state.

Kleptocracy, alternatively cleptocracy or kleptarchy, (from Greek: κλέπτης - kleptēs, "thief"[1] and κράτος - kratos, "power, rule",[2] hence "rule by thieves") is a term applied to a government seen as having a particularly severe and systemic problem with officials or a ruling class (collectively, kleptocrats) taking advantage of corruption to extend their personal wealth and political power. Typically this system involves the embezzlement of state funds at the expense of the wider population, sometimes without even the pretense of honest service.
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Kleptocracies are generally associated with dictatorships, oligarchies, military juntas, or other forms of autocratic and nepotist governments in which external oversight is impossible or does not exist. This lack of oversight can be caused or exacerbated by the ability of the kleptocratic officials to control both the supply of public funds and the means disbursal for those funds. Kleptocratic rulers often treat their country's treasury as a source of personal wealth, spending funds on luxury goods and extravagances as they see fit. Many kleptocratic rulers secretly transfer public funds into hidden personal numbered bank accounts in foreign countries to provide for themselves if removed from power.
Kleptocracy is most common in developing countries whose economies are based on the export of natural resources. Such export incomes constitute a form of economic rent and are easier to siphon off without causing the income to decrease.
The effects of a kleptocratic regime or government on a nation are typically adverse in regards to the welfare of the state's economy, political affairs and civil rights. Kleptocracic governance typically ruins prospects of foreign investment and drastically weakens the domestic market and cross-border trade. As kleptocracies often embezzle money from their citizens by misusing funds derived from tax payments, or engage heavily in money laundering schemes, they tend to heavily degrade quality of life for citizens.[citation needed]
In addition, the money that kleptocrats steal is diverted from funds earmarked for public amenities such as the building of hospitals, schools, roads, parks – having further adverse effects on the quality of life of citizens.[3] The informal oligarchy that results from a kleptocratic elite subverts democracy (or any other political format).[4]
In early 2004, the German anti-corruption NGO Transparency International released a list of what it believes to be the ten most self-enriching leaders in the past two decades.[5] In order of amount allegedly stolen USD, they were:
1. Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
2. Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos (at least $10 billion by 1986,[6][7][8][9] equivalent to about $21.6 billion in 2014 dollars[10])
3. Former Congolese President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
4. Former Nigerian Head of State Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
5. Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević ($1 billion)
6. Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ("Baby Doc") ($300 million – $800 million)
7. Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
8. Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
9. Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10. Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million – $80 million)
The Russian president Vladimir Putin is alleged to be the "head of the clan",[11] whose assets are estimated at $200 billion.[12]
Sources have also shown that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stole up to $70 billion.[13]
In addition, other sources have listed former PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat as having stolen $1 billion to $10 billion; and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to have received kickbacks on contracts and misappropriating public funds, siphoning over $2 billion to his Swiss accounts.[14][15][16][17][18]
Nursultan Nazarbayev is a head of the Kazakhstan ruling clan with $7 billion assets.[19]
The partially recognized state of Kosovo is also run by a kleptocratic regime, mainly formed of members from one of the country's largest political parties, Democratic Party of Kosovo. A report on the wealth of Kosovan politicians showed that despite their relatively low incomes as civil servants, a significant number had amassed personal wealth sometimes amounting to sums exceeding several million euros.[20] More recently, EULEX reported on a specific case where illegal payments of 1.4 million euros had been made between the Kosovan Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Austrian State Printing Company which had previously won a tender to print Kosovan passports,[21] and a former transport minister and current deputy-president of the ruling Democratic Party of Kosovo Fatmir Limaj was also arrested by EULEX together with six other suspects on charges of organised crime and embezzling at least two million euros.[22]
China's former prime minister, Wen Jiabao, left office in 2013 with his close relatives controlling assets worth at least $2.7 billion.[23] These revelations were censored in print and censored online in China.[24]
The term kleptocracy was also used to refer to the Russian economy soon after the Soviet collapse in 1991. The "democrats," led by Yegor Gaidar and Anatoly Chubais, freed prices in 1992 and unleashed hyperinflation before they privatized Russia's assets. Most Russian citizens lost their savings in only a few weeks. A few billionaire "oligarchs" amassed fortunes not by creating new enterprises, but by arbitraging the huge difference between old domestic prices for Russian commodities and the prices prevailing on the world market. Instead of investing in the Russian economy, they stashed billions of dollars in Swiss bank accounts. Experts estimate that as much as $15 billion left Russia each year as either capital flight or laundered money from illegal transactions.[25] Referring to Russia Daniel Kimmage also used the terms: "kerdocracy" ("rule based on the desire for material gain") or "khrematisamenocracy" ("rule by those who transact business for their own profit").[26]
South Sudan obtained independence in July 2011 as a kleptocracy – a militarized, corrupt neo-patrimonial system of governance. By the time of independence, the South Sudanese “political marketplace” was so expensive that the country's comparatively copious revenue was consumed by the military-political patronage system, with almost nothing left for public services, development or institution building. The efforts of national technocrats and foreign donors produced bubbles of institutional integrity but the system as a whole was entirely resistant to reform. The January 2012 shutdown of oil production bankrupted the system. Even an experienced and talented political business manager would have struggled, and President Salva Kiir did not display the required skills. No sooner had shots been fired than the compact holding the SPLA together fell apart and civil war ensued. Drawing upon long-term observation of elite politics in South Sudan, this article explains both the roots of kleptocratic government and its dire consequences.[27]
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More Quotes from 1947 “Planned Chaos”,  Ludwig Von Mises 

Every individual; is free to disagree with the outcome of an election campaign or of the market process. But in a democracy he has no other means to alter things than persuasion. If a man were to say: “I do not like the mayor elected by majority vote; therefore I ask the government to replace him by the man I prefer,” one would hardly call him a democrat. But if the same claims are raised with regard to the market, most people are too dull to discover the dictatorial aspirations involved. 
1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises

Metaphors are often very useful in elucidating complicated problems and in making them comprehensible to less intelligent minds. But they become misleading and result in nonsense if people forget that every comparison is imperfect. It is silly to take metaphorical idioms literally and to deduce from their interpretation features of the object on wished to make more easily understandable by their use. There was no harm in economists description of the operation of the market as “automated” and in their custom of speaking of the “anonymous” forces operating on the market. They could not anticipate that anybody would be so stupid as to take these metaphors literally. 

No “automatic” and “anonymous” forces actuate the “mechanism” of the market. The only factors direction the market and determining prices are purposive acts of men. There is no automatism: there are men consciously aiming at ends chosen and deliberately resorting to definite means for the attainment of these ends. There are no mysterious mechanical forces; there is only the will of every individual to satisfy his demand for various goods. There is no anonymity; there are you and I and Bill and Joe and all the rest. And each of us is engaged both in production and consumption. Each contributes his share to the determination of prices. 
1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises

The dilemma is not between automatic forces and planned action. It is between the democratic process of the market in which every individual has his share and the exclusive rule of a dictatorial body. Whatever people do in the market economy, is the execution of their own plans.  In this sense every human action means planning. What those calling themselves planners advocate is not the substitution of planned action for letting things go. It is the substitution of the planner’s own plan for the plans of his fellow men. The planner is a potential dictator who wants to deprive all other people of the power to plan and act according to their own plans. He aims at one thing only: the exclusive absolute preeminence of his own plan. 

It is no less erroneous to declare that a government that is not socialistic has no plan. Whatever a government does is the execution of a plan, i.e., of a design. One may disagree with such a plan. But one must not say that it is not a plan at all. 
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When people were committed to the idea that in the field of religion only one plan must be adopted, bloody wars resulted. With the acknowledgement of the principle of religious freedom these wars ceased. The market economy safeguards peaceful economic cooperation because it does not use force upon the economic plans of the citizens. If one masterplan is to be substituted for he plans of each citizen, endless fighting must emerge. Those who disagree with the dictator’s plan have no other means to carry on than to defeat the despot by force of arms. 

It is an illusion to believe that a system of planned socialism could be operated according to democratic methods of government. 
1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises

In the Victorian age, when John Stuart Mill wrote his essay “On liberty”, such views as those held by Professor Laski, Mr. and Mrs. Webb and Mr Crowther were called reactionary. Today they are called “progressive” and “liberal.” N the other hand people who oppose the suspension of parliamentary government and of the freedom of speech and the press and the establishment of inquisition are scorned as “reactionaries” as “economic royalists” and as “Fascists.” 

Those interventionists who consider interventionism qs a method of bringing about full socialism step by step are at least consistent. 
1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises

The program of this self-contradictory interventionism is dictatorship, supposedly to make people free. But the liberty its supporters advocate is liberty to do the “right” things i,e., the things they themselves want to be done. They are not only ignorant of the economic problems involved. They lack the faculty of logical thinking.  
1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises

The conflict between capitalism and socialism is not a contest between two groups of claimants concerning the size of the portions to be allotted to each of them out of a definite supply of goods. It is a dispute concerning what system of social organization best serves human welfare. Those fighting socialism do not reject socialism because they envy the workers’ benefits they could allegedly derive form the socialist mode of production. They fight socialism precisely becease they are convinced that it would harm the masses in reducing them to the status of poor serfs entirely at the mercy of irresponsible dictators. 
1947 “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises

COMMENT: 2015: What we have today is a totally artificial and fraudulent monetary system created by the state and its bureaucrats. The entire public private partnership of the money supply and the interest rate driven by state controlled data or in house data of the Federal Reserve is not described here in this analysis of capitalism as a market place of producers and buyers. What we have is very sophisticated intellectually dishonest high paid lawyers using arguments of this basic and elementary level to get away with institutional profiteering that is paramount to crimes against humanity as the consequences of intentionally destroying the currency is more often than not the basis of war. This is called the 500-year central banking war model. It is a tested model and means of shifting the value form one paper system of token money to an other before the system crashes leaving behind a collapsed currency, hyper inflation and a gutted economy of its equity.  These bureaucrats Democrat and Republican in our Congress and Senate are what has been labeled as crony capitalists or what I call them corrupted feckless fools that have sold out the country for personal gain. To complicate this dangerous situation more we also have a free press that is 90% owned by corporations using the media to push their agenda of international profits at the expense of the citizens of the country. Globalism is part of this timed mechanism for extracting wealth from countries. That is not anti-capitalism that is just bad business that destroys the integrity of the market place. Creating criminal based laws legitimizing stealing the wealth of a nation is also not anti-capitalism it is just the criminal mind at work in action of making bad laws. If you Google Useful Idiots and read down on the Wikipedia page you may still find Ludwig Von Mises as categorized as “Idiots of Innocents” or the equivalent as these descriptions and arguments are on such a basic level that they are used as the arguments of what the real game is. These are only more of the same distraction games as the identity politics of division, confusion and chaos of the last 8 years. The people playing these games today unlike the times and contextual environment in which “Planned Chaos” was written in the aftermath of World War Two, the deadly politics of Russia and China resulting in death of over 100 million lives, are doing this out of rationalized personal greed based on a new ideology and belief system in self over group full with inverted satisfactions of direct and soft sadism driven by narcissism. The old concepts of power hungry dictators, hypocrisy and control based personality types,still apply but the new ideologies and new belief systems of the intellectual arrogance apply to the creation of a new bread of emotional and mental barbarians, autocrats, kleptocrates, and authoritarians that the world has never seen before. It does have to be defeated in argument. Actually some have/are proposing that the Romans simply got tired of killing people, the licentiousness, and the debauchery  and let go of the power intentionally as the coruption become intolerable as they had lost their lust and desire for it anymore. There are many constructs of rejection in these old quotes inspired by the most brutal times in human history. The necessity to reject, expose and prosecute the criminals of our times publicly and formally is imperative to the survival of our way of life culture and nation.

 (Comments by: Joe Carpenter, voting for Donald Trump, regardless of anything. The one thing we can trust about Donald Trump is he is an American first. ) 
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Donald Trump calls Mrs Clinton a liar and says he wants an apology. How many years of the Clintons has America endured? Better yet how many years has this gone with out prosecution, with out recourse, unattended, unaddressed, unresolved and over looked  by the "Feckless Fools" of the Republican Party of losers, back stabbers, sell outs, bought and paid for corrupt crony capitalists, traitors, cowards and criminals? Yes, Yes, Yes, Please, Jeb Bush says Mrs Clinton will eat Donald alive or what ever it was. Lindsey Gram lights his hair on fire and runs down the halls of congress screaming Donald Trump can go to hell. The best is did I hear today a clip of John Boehner calling Donald Trump an "A" hole or something? What ever losers. Mrs Clinton thinks she is going to get away with this with Donald Trump she is more delusional than anyone ever thought. That is what people like and trust in Donald, they/we know he will put her in her place if not in jail. 

God lord what does it take, on this Gods green earth, for people realize they the Democrats and Republicans are all in on it thick as thieves and they all are dirty, on both sides of the isle, with lots and lots of people that should go to jail. Why is this my job? Why did I have to blogg this stuff our months ago trying to get our Republicans to stand up and speak out? Why did I have to take this risk? I am not being paid for this. This is not my job, it was the Republicans job, but since they refused to do it, it become Donald Trump's opportunity and job. At least there is one serious person left in America that has not gone delusional or did not drink the cool aid. 

TOLD YOU SO: Just enter into your  google+ search window, "Joe Carpenter,  Mrs Clinton sociopathic liar" I was posting that before the word "liar" was an everyday word used to describe Mrs Clinton, long before poles were taken asking people if they think Mrs Clinton is a liar. And what have we heard from our Republican Feckless Fools in charge for years now? Answer: Absolutely nothing. Even the over the top talk show hosts for years now could not come out and use the word "LIar" until just about 3 months ago. Newt Gingrich came out on the Sean Hannity show and said "All Mrs Clinton does is lie all day long" Carly Fiorina I am pretty sure came out and called her a liar. But what have we heard from the Republicans for years of investigations now on the character of this woman? Nothing. Just enter into your  google+ search window, "Joe Carpenter, The four most dangerous men in America 1) John McCain 2) John Boehner 3) Mitch McConnell 4) US Supreme Court Idiot John Roberts" and that is just the start of the Republicans fools that created this crisis of party trust. Are you telling me no one but Donald Trump and Sean Hannity can make the case and explain the laundry list of scandals documenting what a dangerous "Liar" Mrs Clinton is. And the Republicans talk tough saying Donald Trump has made himself ineligible to be a candidate for president because of xyz. How clear does it have to get?????? 
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Thank you "New York Times" for picking up this fast compilation with added 1947 quotes showing how we have seen this before but not really as what they have done is all new in the world. 1.4 Quadrillion or 1,400 Trillion of derivative stock speculation on Global GDP of 60 Trillion with a US GDP of 15 Trillion with 20 Trillion in dept. and 100 Trillion in unfunded entitlements  has never been done before as this is the greatest rip off of the planet ever in human history. 
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More quotes from 1947  “Planned Chaos” Ludwig Von Mises: 

Nothing is more unpopular today than the free market economy, i.e., capitalism. Everything that is considered unsatisfactory in present-day conditions is charged to capitalism. The atheists make capitalism responsible for the survival of Christianity. But the papal encyclicals blame capitalism for the spread of irreligion and the sins of our contemporaries, and the Protestant churches and sects are no less vigorous in their indictment of capitalist greed. Friends of peace consider our wars as an offshoot of capitalist imperialism. But the adamant nationalist warmongers of Germany and Italy indicted capitalism for its “bourgeois” pacifism contrary to human nature and to the inescapable laws of history. Sermonizers accuse capitalism of disturbing the family and fostering licentiousness. But the “progressives” blame capitalism for the preservation of allegedly outdated rules of sexual restraint. Almost all men agree that poverty is an outcome of capitalism. On the other hand many deplore the fact that capitalism, in catering lavishly to the wishes of people intent upon getting more amenities and a better living, promotes a crass materialism. These contradictory accusations of capitalism cancel one another out. But the fact remains that there few people left who would not condemn capitalism altogether. 

Although capitalism is the economic system of modern Western civilization, the policies of all Western nations are guided by utterly anticapitalistic ideas. The aim of these interventionist policies is not to preserve capitalism, but to substitute a mixed economy for it. It is assumed that this mixed economy is neither capitalism nor socialism. It is described as a third system, as far from capitalism as it from socialism. It is alleged that it stands midway between socialism and capitalism, retaining the advantages of both and avoiding the disadvantages inherent in each. (1947 Ludwig Von Mises)

Comment: I do not understand all the Religious references but what is interesting is how he has identified how every power group or interest group has demonized and blamed capitalism for its problems that need to be fixed. Today’s model is not much different, just turn on the TV or Radio and listen to how every interest group is angling for an advantage through government intervention and control. These are some of the Rush Limbaugh cookbook show models and some of the Sean Hannity show frame works. The corrupted feckless fools of the Republican Party have just turned it into a feeding frenzy of “Crony Capitalism” through everything from a nonexistent immigration position to an incomprehensible tax code to the new medical surveillance state RFID chip on its way all the way to war profiteering perpetuating, supporting and enabling the 500 year central banking war model and the destruction of the currency, with a manufactured interest rate bubbled, boom and bust economy, driven by fake formulas and fake data on everything form employment to the valuation formulas on the fake, phony, fait money supply not to mention the dept base economy they have legally created through bad incentives. (Joe Carpenter) 

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“Many people were fascinated by the alleged success of German price control. They said: You have only to be as brutal and ruthless as the Nazis and you will succeed in controlling prices. What these people, eager to fight Nazism by adopting its methods, did not see was that the Nazis did not enforce price control within a market society, but they established a full socialist system, a totalitarian commonwealth.” (1947 Ludwig Von Mises)  

Comment: That effectiveness created through brutality of enforcement can apply to any government action/plan or motivation to control and determine behavior with the exclusive use of the states monopoly on force over its people. This is what determines the character of the culture from unyielding authoritarianism to more self-determined and compassionate societies based on personal responsibility and self-regulation. It becomes a spectrum as just about everything that is measured this way.   (Joe Carpenter) 

“ In the market economy the consumers are supreme. Their buying and their abstention from buying ultimately determines what the entrepreneurs produce and in what quantity and quality. It determines directly the prices of the consumers’ goods and indirectly the prices of all producers’ goods, viz., labor and material factors of production. It determines the emergence of profits and individual’s income. The focal point of the market economy is the market, i.e., the process of the formation of commodity prices, wage rates and interest rates and their derivatives, profits and losses. It makes all men in their capacity as producers responsible to the consumers. This dependence is direct with entrepreneurs, capitalists, farmers and professional men, and indirect with people working for salaries and wages. The market adjusts the efforts of all those engaged in supplying the needs of the consumers to the wishes of those for whom they produce, the consumers. It subjects production to consumption. (1947 Ludwig Von Mises)

Comment: This is a great description of pure capitalism at work. The confusion I have with it is in this sentence, but it makes for a good discussion topic.  “The market adjusts the efforts of all those engaged in supplying the needs of the consumers to the wishes of those for whom they produce, the consumers.” In today’s contemporary world “needs and wants” are in practicality, and psychologically, two very different things. In today’s world the use of the word “needs” has specific meaning usually being directed at necessities of life. This represents the confusion of the time more than Mises’s understanding of economics. In many of the screwed up German philosophic perspectives as today in American culture the comingling of concepts like needs and wants individually asserted verses created through advertising or law have amazing contextual relevance making interpretation of this sentence to me confusing. 


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Thank you "The Financial Times of India" for finding and posting this post in line on your page with several other posts of mine for your readers in China. This is why I have listen to talk radio now for 4 years almost since just before the last election. I want to know when the news cycle and the talk radio cycle changes. This week Rush Limbaugh for the first time in 4 years that I have been listening and probably for his entire 20 plus years on radio just got off of his bread and butter show model, false dichotomy, false choice of Democrat verses Republican. Rush Limbaugh is the "King" pusher of the Republican party that can do no wrong for so long people think he is type cast. Well Republican Party you worked hard and it took years and years of betrayals, excuses, sell outs, duplicity and lies for Rush Limbaugh to finally start to think you Republicans of bought and paid for coruption are the problem with America. All of this is because of Donald Trump one self funded billionaire not beholding to anyone but America herself. It has become clear that the power structure is so corrupted that no one in Washington wants to fix it because they are the problem with America. I have no idea how you clean this up, send people to jail, turn back all the bad laws and get rid of all the bad judges etc etc etc. This is going to get ugly but it is long overdo. If the Republican Party must be dissolved good riddance. Told You So 7000 posts ago. Its the money, or now the fake money, fake books, fake data, follow the money to the source  and you will see what and who is the problem. 

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Thank you Donald Trump for picking up this post in line on your page this morning. Thank you for removing all other posts of mine today from your page as I can see it from my circles. It is important that sites remove my posts and show that these pages do have some controls on content. The more intentionally structured these pages are the more value my posts have when they show on news sites and pages around the world. China Times yesterday did not have one single post of mine showing. That is good for me because when my posts rotate in and out of the news pages around the world it means they are not going away. One thing is for sure posts that are of no interest to anyone will 100% go away as on the internet only things of interest survive. I find it interesting that my page has only been notified of less than a few hundred shares or even 100 that I have seen but I found posts of mine in the "Ripples Search" with 1500, 3000 and 9000 "Shares" on them so how is that possible. Same thing here as these posts just keep showing up over and over and over on news sites. My theory is these posts are getting more attention than I will ever know or be able to confirm.  We can all dream we are doing more than learning to type and spell, who knows maybe no one has ever seen or read any of them. Who cares this is cheaper than therapy and more effective. What Joke on all of us or not.

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Thank you "New York Times" for keeping this post in line on your page for two days now with several more of my posts rotated, selected and placed in line on your site for your readers to see and enjoy. Your continued interests and posting support is greatly appreciated. I think this is a good compilation summery post of the last 4 years of blogging with over 7000 postings and over 2,000,000 views. I am going to just keep building on this one starting with more quotes from 1947 the book "Planned Chaos". What todays intellectually dishonest brokers have done to America with bad theory and a stupid street level con-job is beyond criminal. That educated adults in journalism have facilitated and enabled and pushed this garbage on  a nation so they can pay their rent is a historic sell out of everything America once stood for. It is a disgrace that these high brow idiots of stupid have reduced everyone to arguing with fools to an extent no one can tell who are the thieves, crooks, and criminals. Never argue with a fool people will not be able to tell the difference. Unfortunately this is what we all have been reduced to. These people on both sides of the isle need to run out of public office. If the Republican Party self destructs in this election my response and attitude  will be "Good Riddance" long over do. I blame all of this on the Republican Party of feckless fools that have betrayed America for personal gain justified by a delusional and dishonest thinking of rationalized criminality conduct against a nation and the entire global market place that billions of people rely on for basic food clothing and shelter. 
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Jeb Bush puts on his best tattered hand me down family big boy pants he can find in the laundry pile of unwashed clothes and mans up in his moment of glory to enter the cage fight with Donald Trump. Donald Trump raised not to beat up drunks or incompetents politely sets him straight using just the right amount of appropriate force to gently talk over him and shut the babbling, whining, Jeb down. In the adult world of over inflated egos begging for bruising the audience cringed in apologetic embarrassment as Donald puts an end to a last chance dynasty by an out of touch, out of time, out of ideas, out of judgment, out of his mind leader of losers by putting him correctly in his place. “Hillary Clinton will mop the floor with Donald” Jeb Bush apx quote, please. No one in America wants to hear anything from Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton except for the big money, dirty money funders that have literally gutted America of its financial solvency and equity. Jeb Bush thinking he was in the big leagues finds himself looking out of the bars of his baby crib rather than engaging in the cheering arena of a manly cage fight. Donald Trump with kit gloves and silver spoon in hand served up and laid the big baby down to rest with his head on the pillow safe behind the three foot high wooden bars, silver shoe safely on the floor to keep him from hurting himself. That “Sliver Foot” is from the famous Ann Richards “Poor George he was born with a silver foot in his mouth”.  I for one would have enjoyed seeing Donald kick him with that silver boot in the mouth but that would not have been gentlemanly or compassionate. 

Last night on Coast to Coast, George Noory interviewed Les Leopold* the author of “Runaway Inequality” explaining how the deregulation of Wall Street has found its way to making the rich richer and the poor poorer and how the jails have become the safety net for the poor and disenfranchised as left behind remnants of an old economy that no longer exists. This is what Jeb Bush does not understand and what Donald Trump has not yet addressed but everyone hopes he will. JFK tried and now Donald Trump is going to give it a try. Not only have they destroyed the economy they are destroying the currency as the last straw of insult to injury for the Middle Class and working poor. The entire structure of the society has been financially structured and rigged from the inside by intellectually dishonest and self serving money driven people enriching themselves at the expense of others, entire markets and the nations.  The too big to fail banks that are now too big to jail have to be broken up to start returning power to the people and States. The era of federalized control of everything as a nationalized top down franchise model subconsciously rejected in the last election as a Mitt Romney hands off money making style is going to have to be dealt with at some point. What the money people have created is a bubbled economy, which they, the rich, rid up and cut out of every time, leaving the empty bag behind for the American Middle Class to pay for. The thieves of bought and paid for Washington insiders have changed all the laws to privatize profits and socialized losses and risks.  To understand the extremes of how far you can pay people to say anything and argue anything just look at the rhetoric and dialoged of people paid money to argue that selling baby body parts is ethical and moral and correct. This financial rip off of America is a Million times worse than that or what the corporate owned media will allow the American people to know. It is called “The 500 year central banking war model” and America is the next acceptable casualty to be offered up to the alter of the N.W.O. as the sacrificial offering of lost innocents to the international power élites. Good luck Donald the real cage fight is still out there and it will not be some pantywaist scrap up with kids and has-beens. The real bloodsuckers as you have called them are the dig dirty money funders of the Republican and Democrat party that own the Federal Reserve Party. 

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In the first half, graduate of Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and director of two non-profits, Les Leopold addressed the increasing disparity between what workers are paid compared to what CEOs earn, and what the disappearing middle class means for the future of the US. 

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Ted Cruz says, “We will Carpet Bomb them bla, bla, bla and make the sand glow”.  Mrs. Clinton in her visceral, repulsive, skin crawling voice says, “We can not afford another ground war in the Middle East” (apx quote, as it is the first clip of her, I have heard from her on the Radio in weeks as her only promotion skill at this point is to keep quite as Rush Limbaugh astutely figured out.) Considering that this entire Middle East mess ISSL, ISIS, THISSL, WISSL, GRISSL, is the making of Obama’s and Mrs. Clinton’s recklessly, shamelessly, treasonously (at least to the veterans betrayed), gluttonously, squandering for political gain, U.S. blood and treasure, in the trillions. It is sickeningly in consistent Clintonesque style delusionaly but correctly coming to the correct answer to a problem she helped to create with her bad strategy, bad policy, wrong thinking and incorrect worldview. Donald Trump in his skillfully precision put Ted Cruz back in balance with his youthful, vivacious, overly energetic desire to do something to fix some problem somewhere. The only problem is talking about starting another war in the Middle East as even Mrs. Clinton gets, is not only irresponsible it is kind of “Maniac-ish” as pointed out by the mature and tested bull elephant himself Donald Trump disciplining one more Republican adolescent young male flexing his muscles in inappropriate excitement for power and attention. This is where we separate the men from the boys. I like “their” (the Republican rebels) enthusiasm too, but “it’s not his time” (D.T. in reference to Marco Rubio that applies here as well) , as they all are too young to think they are going to get in the alligator pit with the adult and dangerous wolves, sharks, crocodiles and as Donald has called them the big money “Bloodsuckers”. In Donald’s world there are three kinds of people 1) producers, 2) predators and 3) parasites.  Mrs. Clinton as vial as she is, got this one right, even after all the blood on her dirty unwashed hands, she actually got this pole position correctly given to her. I just can not wait till Donald has a debate with her and says to her on nation TV, “When we want your opinion on anything we will give it to you” or the equivalent in classic New York in your face Trump style.  

Just to get it in. The post I want to write was going to be about how my Face Book page was suspended for content in the last election so many time in the last election I never go there ever now. I also wanted to point out that this G+ page was also red tagged, locked out and 100% expunged from the internet only to be opened months later 100% empty. And whats the big deal about that? Well this is how US citizens are treated and the government is not even looking at public social media of immigrants or refugees from war torn parts of the world????? I have been fuming about it all day. We Americans are sick of being punished and preferential treatment and constitutional rights given to people that are not citizens. We American citizens are angry about trying "Terrorists" in US courts with "US rights" as criminals and not in Military courts as enemies of the country. We can thank George Bush for not setting that one straight as he started that mental mess for what ever ill-conceived ideas those screwed up people had at the time for expediency. They the Bush Administration started the imperial presidency and this Obama administration just doubled it just because we all let them. 
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And just when I thought I had heard them all, on my 55 birthday my 88-year-old father tells a new war story, probably more showing off for his new 83-year-old girl friend than for me. I asked him two days later after lunch to explain the gun part better so he told us both the story again with a few more details. 

It starts with a refugee at the family hotel that just gave my Grandfather a pistol minuets before the Russians arrived.  My father explained that my Grandfather just put the gun in his front pocket and they all walked outside to meet them. He must have been wearing a long jacket of some kind but I did not interrupt the explanation to the story. Then after talking with the Russians for a while my grandfather made an excuse to go in the house to get something, so he could through the gun away someplace fast and come back out. As teenagers are my fathers somehow found the gun after the Russians left and decided to clean the gun and keep it safe someplace. Time rolled on and as it turned out one of my aunts did not have any way to cook so my father decided to put a light weight home made barrel oven of some kind on his bicycle and drive it across town and give it to her so she could cook or bake or heat or something. He said, “I knew I should not do it but I did it anyway but it was stupid. On his way to her place with the oven on the bicycle he was stopped and arrested. He was taken in for questioning. My father said he was afraid that it was because of the gun. Having a gun was very serious. Once he figured out that it had nothing to do with the gun, that was not with him, the clarification I asked about, but was at home somewhere, he said, he become very arrogant because he thought there was nothing they could do to him. As it turned out the reason he was stopped was because they knew who he was and who his father was. They thought he had a small printing press of some kind on the bicycle since my grand father was an architect in town and that my father must have been taking it some place because an insulting poem had been nailed to a tree in the town park about the Russians. The Mayer of the town and the Russians thought that it was logical that it was printed with the family printing press. Those where the words my father used to tell the story “After the country was defeated and the Russians had taken control” “printing press”, “small oven”, “arrogant”, “afraid”, “cleaning the gun”, “refugee”, “Mayer”, “very serious”, “he just put the gun in his front pocket, then we went out to meet them”, “throw the gun away”, “interrogate me”, “Insulting Poem” and so on. I cannot tell the story verbatim, but those are some of the most important words to keep. Once the interrogation was over my father said that the Mayor of the town looked at him and said as he was leaving and this is a direct quote from the story, as it is the contextual link of the story to our dinner conversation,  “You know all it takes form us in one word” and then my father walked out, thinking about that comment for 60 to 70 years. I really do not feel like doing the math on that just now. Anyway that is all it would take to be shot on the spot, one word. But once again the story was a perfect fit to the diner conversation here in this century in these times we live in.  

What makes that war story interesting, is first when I said what you are going to do?  Tell another war story, as my father dismissively said, “It’s not a war story”. After he told the story I looked at him but was directing it to his girl friend said that is a war story, yes? He looked at me like is it really? I guess it is, but the war was over at that point. We both did not share that unspoken understanding that the real war stories are, digging your own grave after being caught steeling food, or being bombed out of a hospital with scarlet fever or both my ants as a nurses deep in Russia seeing tens of thousands of wounded laid out in the dirt as the war stories. But all in all this did count as a war story. As dinner continued his 83-year-old girl friend talking on and off topic, as there was no real topic but just talking, continued the theme, with some of her friends and people she has known survived the camps calling them out by name. Those are war stories. I left that evening thinking that after all the years of living in this country, in America, after helping build some of the largest construction projects on the planet, as a primary executive of an international construction firm, with millions and millions of dollars in play, after years and years of construction law suits, that to my father there are only two parts of his life, before and during the war and after it. I would say the part after the war never had the same level of impact on his life as part before. For her with an entire life as a therapist, stopping only in her 80s, the war with all its atrocities, are still front and center in her mind as well. It really is amazing how through love they have found each other. 

This is why I blog. It has happened before. A lot of things are happening again. Freedom is not free. And what do they do with their precious freedom?  And on that note, you can take it or leave it. 

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30 more till break time, as I can quit any time I want, but I will try and make this my last post for a while at least a month or two or till next year. If I compose new posts I will hold them back till next year. Special thanks to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, The Sean Hannity Show, The Roger Hedge cock show now off air as he was the first site to post my material regularly. It has taken over 6000 yo 8000 postings in 4 years to attract the attention of the Main Stream Media NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, NPR, BBC and more. If you think it is easy getting posts to show on these news sites along with overseas sites Reuters, China Times, Russia Times, The Financial Times of India, Zee TV, The Hong Kong Daily Secret, Der Spiegel, Rolling Stones, Forbes, Fortune, The Investor Business Daily and on and on, you go try it and see how easy it is. Thank you all for all of your interests and posting support as it was my intention to see how far one guy all alone with a lap top could push his own opinions. The real test was did it influence anyone in the media? To that question I will never have an answer but the topics of the last Republican Debate were my economic topics of concern that started me posting specifically  the first two 1) The Currency is the biggest problem that no one is talking about Donald Trump apx. quote form debate. 2) The Federal Reserve Problem 3) Dodd Frank 4) Crony Capitalism.

"The Carpenters Bench" by Joe Carpenter on Amazon still has not broken the 20 books sold threshold, its that good. But my spelling and typing is much better so all in all this blogging thing has been a success. Watch for my next book "Grasshopper Praying Mantis" a philosophical view of so very much. 

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OF THE OLD M IDDEL CLASS, 20% MOVED UP (maybe, in the best of worlds) 40% MOVED DOWN AND THE REMAINING 40% HAS TO FEED THE INSATIABLE GOVERNMENT LEVIATHAN that still believes money grows on trees, America has more to give, and is not overextended teetering on financial implosion. 

MARCH 1947 Leonard E Read ( In the Forward to "Planned Chaos" )

Communist plotters in the United States as elsewhere, are preparing for the conquest of political power. The discerning student however, should consider interventionism, under various enticing labels, is setting the stage for the final over through of the voluntary society, the market economy and constitutional government. "Planned Chaos", by a world famous expert, will provide a valuable aid to understanding in this field. It will help to explain the errors of those who, like the professor of economics referred to above, believe a system based on individual freedom can be "mixed" with socialism. 

"Planned Chaos" Ludwig Von Mises 1947 
1) "If government speneding is financed by borrowing from the commercial banks, it means credit expansion and inflation."

2)"Credit expansion can bring about a temporary boom. But such a fictitious prosperity must end in a general depression of trade, a slump." 

3) History will call our age the age of dictators and tyrants. We have witnesses in the last years the fall of two of these inflated supermen. But the spirt which raised these knaves to autocratic power survives. It permeates textbooks and periodicals, it speaks through the mouthes of teachers and politicians, it manifests itself in party programs and in plays and novels. A long as this spirt prevails there can not be any hope of durable peace of democracy, the preservation of freedom or of a steady improvement in the nations economic well-being. 


Out of time this morning but the point is it has happened before and it is happening again. It is not the old school Communism destroying America but the model of how intellectually dishonest people driven by the rewards of money power and control over others will put forth all kinds of theories and sales pitches to support their positions. The model is as old as history, they have just change the names, but the game is the same.

It is amazing reading this stuff from 1947 that we were taught as children  in the context of todays faltering economic system fallen to the coruption of crony capitalism that is just as bad as the meddling tampering of government "interventionism" of the old days that brought the world to its knees.  I am actually starting to think that "they" knew all  this stuff back then too and used all this as a cover back then too for their "500 year central banking war model". The vicious cycle of violence in blood lust and the guilt of blood cement in war fixes it all as the cities burn and the people suffer the consequences of all the bad intellectualism that needs to be intellectually argued and rejected for the garbage it is. Planned Chaos is an example of how to make that argument in a style that can with stand the critics. 

At some point Donald Trump will stop talking like a 12 year old on social issues and start explaining in 12 year old terms why the "interventionism" and dept. fueled, dept. base economy, the fraud based economy of the last decade of fake everything, from fake money, to fake data, on everything to fake accounting, is doomed for failure if a course correction is not taken. The rule of law applies to these institutions and people as well. The problem is the crony capitalist model of making money in America is so corrupt that the judiciary is not longer capable of doing its job with out putting everyone in jail. We are now operating off of a third world Banana Republic model. It is what it is. They can not fix that which they do not know or understand. 
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Donald Trump exposes another worthless Republican as the bureaucrat he is. Lindsey Graham lights his hair on fire and runs naked down the halls of congress screaming Donald Trump can go to Hell. First Donald had to put that tired confused old man John McCain in his place. Then John Boehner had to resign not before writing a blank check to the opposition party. All we need now is some baited hook for these fools of incompetence to bite and run with on the Banks and the financials. Donald Trump toys with the idiots in charge like a skilled 12 year old taunting a new baby sitter or  substitute teacher. Donald Trump demonstrates the difference between mind numbing hacks of endless legalese, circular thinking, confuse logic, spin, rub, compromised reason, between the lines in the gray bread and butter zone, P.C. con-men and con-women and actionary thinking. What part of "until we figure out what is going on" (apx  quote, from memory but the operative word is "UNTIL")  do these lawyers not understand. Is it not amazing that the most powerful language we have head in years or at least from the heart of these Republican Feckless Fools is directed at Donald Trump???????? Jeb Bush calling Donald Trump unhinged. Please as Rush Limbaugh accurately, astutely and timely pointed out yesterday, "The Republicans have burned their moral authority". That is why Rush Limbaugh makes the big bucks as he identifies the silent majority in the greatest disconnect between the Washington Elite's of pure arrogance and delusional wrong minded thinking that Rush Limbaugh has ever seen in his life time. When Rush Limbaugh the King of the Republican party push says these people have gone disconnected to an extent he has never seen in his life time you know we have a serious problem with in the ranks of the Republican Party of FOOLS. This is what happens when you pay people to talk and sell stupid stuff after a few years of being rewarded for it they acutely believe they know what they are talking about when in reality they are the problem  with the wrong world view and the wrong thinking. 

The big lie is that the social issues of the last 8 years were/are intentionally designed into place with the enabling of the Media, as a cover, distraction, decoy and diversion for the greatest monetary rip off of the America people that has ever been perpetrated against any people in human history. The trillions in pure fraud are almost incomprehensible. The loss and squandering, for political advantage, of national "Blood and Treasure" could be described as an intentional act of violence and treason against a nation or at least its veterans. And Lindsey Graham says Donald Trump can go to hell. Go Figure. Its called the 500 year central banking war model. 

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Thank you "NBC" for having 4 of these base posts as the only posts of mine showing today on your page. In 4 years with over 6000 to 8000 postings with almost 2,000,000 views it is nice to see that NBC is starting to take interest in my posts. For any bloggers out there if your think it is easy to get a post on the NBC page just try it. This took 4 years. These pages are some how monitored and content is controlled somehow. Thank you NBC for your posting support in this base post. I have only 2000 more views to go to reach my 2,000,000 views and it is break time for me as explained in the NYT thank you note two down from here. I think I will copy/past all of this copy past, post and thank you notes together just because. The internet will over a few months find and keep the best one of them all and as the others will just drop off by the "Relentless Algorithms of Attrition" in the Darwinian natural selection process of "Survival Of The Fittest Posts". 

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Thank you "New York Times" for picking up 2 of these base posts in line visible on your page with in the first  50 posts as the only posts of mine showing in the first 50 to 100 posts on scroll of your page as I can see it form my circles. It is important that the NYT rotates and moves my posts around form day to day as it shows site control giving my posts more value when they do show on the NYT page. Thank you NYT for your continued interests and selected posting support form day to day on your page. I have only 2000 more views to reach my 2,000,000 views goal and it is break time. What I may do is just concentrate my focus on creating new posts and stop all the trolling and thank you noting for promotions as it is very time consuming. Its not like my opinions on every topic are going to stop or anything. I just need to focus my energies better. Concentrating on creating and producing original content may after 2,000,000 views be my best use of time and energy to keep my blogging and posting alive. As with the news its self this focus of self promotion and sales once you/me/I/we start placing views or viewers or audience before content  the slippery slope has begun as the focus from content moves naturally towards style and that is where we all are as a nation. Too much style and not enough content. That may be the gritty and candid Donald Trump style that is so very appealing as his no nonsense focus is on the reality first and the results second but not placing the results of personal gain before the results of what is good for the country. Keeping that priority system in place is the challenge for any leader of any group. The second that leader puts himself in front of the best interests of the group that leader becomes ineffectual and has lost his perspective, purpose and original intent. That is the double edged sword paradox of leadership. The one that is to lead must follow the truth. We are all accountable to someone.  The most powerful and effective leaders are but the best slaves to others. With out the capacity and desire to serve others all you will get in leadership positions are egomaniacs, power and control freaks, sadists, and narcissists. 

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Thank you "FOX News" for picking up this post again and for your patience with all my typos but my posts are getting slowly better and cleaner with practice. 6000 to 8000 posts and 4 years later I stand fully vindicated that my concerns with destroying the currency are and were fully warranted. 

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Thank you "NPR" for having 5 that is 5 of these base posts in line on your page for your readers to see. That is a posting change for NPR. Thank you for your growing interests in my posts and your increased posting support as it is greatly appreciated. Soon and that is very soon I am going to try and quit this blogging public criticism thing as I am not being paid for it. Like with any passion or addiction healthy of not "I can Quit any time" (bad joke as we will soon see) You wont have Joe Carpenter to kick around any more. That is a spin form the Richard Nixon  wa waaa wa but and that is but all I can say is, "Those of you who think you know everything are only annoying those of us that really do" TOLD YOU SO BLaaa Blaa tung stick out. Do your jobs, get a life, get real, open your eyes and stop drinking the cool aid, this is America not some modern day science fiction Mars outpost run by coruption brutality and criminals. 
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Thank you "New York Times" for having two of these posts in your archive "from you" and for rotating my posts around on your page showing at least 15 of my posts on first click to your page. G+ now and for a long time is changing viewing content of pages form first click to a page, to ofter refresh by clicking new posts, to after visiting the archive and back to original page. No one knows what anyone else is seeing from page to page or click to click as that is just the way they want it. The only good thing going on is my site these last two months almost daily has some kind of feed back on it in (+s), invites, and/or shares for months on end there was "Zero" that is "Zero" input or feed back from the cyber space black hole of G+. Well in 4 years with over 6000 postings with almost 2,000,000 views, I now have only 19,000 views more to go to break time form all this blogging. The post below still has several missed words, typos and syntax errors but for a fast composition the quality of my posts has greatly improved. Good Readers can fill in a few missed words and make it work. But it goes to show how challenging it is to put ideas into print. 

Thank you New York Times for "NOT" that is "NOT" posting this post in line visible with my other 15 plus posts of mine showing on your page this morning. The importance of that is that your page is controlled, vetted and the posts that do show on your page are some how and that is somehow selected and screened. This capability of content control on news sites like the NYT, WSJ, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, NPR, CNBC, BBC, and more adds value to the posts of mine that they allow to show on their pages, more often than not, showing more about the attitudes and beliefs or biases or agenda of those news sites than the opinion observation and content of my posts.  It is perfectly normal and acceptable that the NYT would not want to admit or promote the fact that "FOX NEWS BUSINESS" finally did a professional job of presention setting new standards of expectation and news professionalism in an industry that long ago lost its integrity to sales over classical standards of professionalism  thousands of years old. Investigative journalism may have died in America over 10 years ago but it is good to see the reemergence of time tested best practices in public discourse of analysis, that once was called news not theater. 

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Thank you Donald Trump for picking up all 4 of these base posts in line on your page this morning and for nicely spreading them out on your page rather than placing them in a cluster at the top. That is a format change that may be controlled or may be a new G+ thing. There is no telling anymore as they have scrambled this system up so much pattern recognition is impossible. Its exactly what they do best. It is just the way they want it. Any how only 21,000 more view to go and I will reach my 2,000,000 views goal. Its break time Donald can deal with this money thing he can do it. I think I have done my part with over 6000 posting in 4 years trying to get people to talk about this stuff. Better late than never is my motto at this point. 
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Can America break thought through the gotcha wave of, off topic, petty shallowness, engulfing, suffocating and destroying America? Will the Media shake out put forth substance over style? Is America ready to have the Dodd Frank* conversation? (Told You So, in the last election, see dates in copy/paste #3 of post below) Can America address, The Federal Reserve Problem? Will anyone talk economics in America? Is America ready to talk about what it is all about “The Money” ? “It’s the currency stupid” could be a zinger line for someone at some point. It is not that a cup of coffee is now worth 2.25$ at Dennys,  it “Is” because the money is going worthless. They are destroying the money. The only two people on the stage last night that understand the simple complexity of the economic problem are Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina. Donald Trump nailed it once again, saying,  “ The number one problem that no one is talking about is the dangers of the all these currency manipulations” (apx. quote form memory, as it was a fast surprise, but Donald knows, he gets it.  1) It “Is” the number one problem and threat to American national security and our way of life, liberty and freedom 2) These are man made problems of bad policy, bad accounting, bad business, bad judgment, bad character and criminal intent artificially created to make someone else rich at the expense of the 300 million Americans just as a starter) The entire media and nation missed it again as if this was a rerun to the timid days of Mitt Romney running for president against Candy Crowley* trying to prove he can fix America with out telling America who and what is destroying America. “It’s the currency stupid”. They are destroying the money as they have in every Banana Republic by every Tin Horn Dictator through out history. Its cook book, own the Media, control the information, divide the people with fear and hate strategies by pitting everyone against everything starting with Religion, Sex, Race and now the new age sophisticated intellectually dishonest psychology of division with in the individual through internal confusions by destroying belief in anything and creating doubt the self to make sheep. It is an insidiously sadistic megalomania of personal greed to power at the expense of everything descent and good through dark side belief systems to inverted personal satisfactions.   It is just that “they” the oligarchy of élites of the N.W.O. have now decided it is now Americas turn to be over turned. It is called the 500-year central banking war model. We are watching it right in front of our very eyes with millions of people in walking testimony roaming the deserts of the Middle East. The rest of the world wants off the American bubble machine of over washing everything, spinning the life out of every thing and torching it in the dryer, as even Dictator knows that American economic instability has become the new global threat to billions of people. The world is fast moving off the dollar as the reserve currency of the world. Donald got it right either bring home the business or we will have no business left in the world. Maybe it is what we American all deserve for allowing criminals to run our country for over 35 years. 

6000 postings in 4 years with almost 2,000,000 views on this topic and at long last “The Money” may become a national topic and election issue. Audit the Federal Reserve, Abolish the IRS, get rid of HLS, bring back redundancy by putting power back in the States, local banks, local schools and back in the people. Too big to fail is really a too big to succeed problem. I would support a Trump/Fiorina ticket.  Marco Rubio please, he is like a 15 year old know it all trying to tell everyone else how to do something he has never done. Bush is a disconnected fool, “ you know those people would use that 1500$ to start a business”,  how delusional and elitist does it get, he thinks people start business with 1500$, what planet is he on? All he can think of is how the powers that be have ordained that it is going to “Him” and Hillary, what a self absorbed entitled mentality of separatist elitism deigning to relate to the masses of people earning less than 50,000$ a year. The problem in America is you can not live on the worthless money given the unreported, fake and fraudulent, inflation numbers or phony numbers on everything, as the invisible hand by passes Washington’s propaganda, adjusting real costs to the failing currency, as it does in every country that destroys the money. They are stealing the wealth of the nation and it is criminal and it is a crime against the nation. Ted Cruz can talk "Constitution" till the cows come home, but no rule of law will ever be reestablished in America if this criminal financial banking system and its thieves are allowed to rob the country blind this way. Rand Paul like his dad can try and continue down some esoteric ethereal effort to spend his life trying to define terms in a world that has now destroyed language its self and all definitions of everything, caring on the family tradition of not convincing others, what  the real problem are that need to be fixed because he is stuck in the semantics intellectual professorial accurate but ungraspabla perspective.

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The Full Article – Not bad, mostly accurate in its play by play, but once again very surface oriented. I almost read all of it, but skimmed the bottom half with the candidates that no longer matter except that they have contributed to this Republican failure/culpability in creating and identifying what is wrong with America, how to fix it by not making it worse or continuing the Republican crony capitalism of crippling the country for personal self advancement to no where. The Democrats are not going to fix anything by dividing every issue with the politics of fear resolved with new delivery systems for transferring free stuff form the haves to the have not’s regardless of how they got it or why they need it as all that matters to them is it works for electing Democrats. But in all fairness that was not the author’s job here below. 

GOP Candidates Get Down to Business in 4th Debate
By Tom Bevan & Rebecca Berg
November 11, 2015
MILWAUKEE — Two weeks after a debate debacle nearly sparked a mutiny among Republican presidential candidates, another meeting here Tuesday took on a more serious tone, largely bypassing personalities and flashpoints and instead exposing the candidates’ fundamental policy differences on immigration, defense spending and other issues.
The deliberate shift by the media hosts, Fox Business Network and the Wall Street Journal, to a more policy-focused and less combative format came after a CNBC debate on Oct. 28 left candidates and the Republican National Committee fuming over what they perceived as unfair questions and poor moderating.
But they were uniformly pleased Tuesday. 
“And that CNBC is how you run a debate,” RNC Chairman Reince Priebus tweeted afterward.
The three senators in the running shined. For the first time in the 2015 debate series, Sen. Rand Paul seized the platform to discuss the distinguishing issues at the center his campaign, including military spending, the role of the U.S. abroad and the defining features of conservatism. Meanwhile, Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio built on their momentum from the debate two weeks ago, where both emerged as rising stars in the Republican race for president.
One of the more memorable exchanges occurred when Rubio called Paul “a committed isolationist” during a discussion on military spending. In response, Paul questioned whether spending trillions of dollars on the military is in line with conservative principles. 
“You can’t be a conservative if you keep promoting programs you’re not going to pay for,” Paul said.
To which Rubio responded: “I know that the world is safer when America is the biggest military power in the world.”
A few minutes later, Cruz jumped in, seeking to claim a middle ground. “You think defending this nation is expensive?” he posed. “Try not defending it — that’s more expensive.”
Equally divisive and illuminating was a heated discussion on immigration, which began when Trump repeated his proposal to deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the country.
But Gov. John Kasich jumped in, pleading, “Come on, folks. We all know you can’t pick them up and ship them back across the border. It’s a silly argument. It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense.”
Trump shot back by invoking a program President Dwight Eisenhower launched in the 1950s, which returned Mexican immigrants deep into Mexico to discourage them from returning to America.
“Dwight Eisenhower. You don’t get nicer. You don’t get friendlier,” Trump said. “They moved a 1.5 million out. We have no choice." 
Jeb Bush, who has pushed for a compassionate solution to immigration reform, took issue with Trump’s response, suggesting the discussion could damage the GOP by driving Hispanic voters into Democrats’ arms.
“They're doing high-fives at the Clinton campaign when they're hearing this,” Bush said.
Brian Fallon, a spokesperson for Clinton, quickly tweeted in the affirmative. “We actually are doing high-fives right now,” he wrote. 
In its content and tone, the fourth Republican debate was noticeably different than any before it. And, with fewer than three months until the first votes are cast in the Republican primary, it brought into sharp focus how candidates are maneuvering for position and tweaking their styles.
For Bush, whose campaign has faltered in recent weeks amid anemic support and donor doubts, the Milwaukee venue was an important proving ground. In the CNBC debate, Bush had sought to directly attack Rubio for his Senate attendance record; on Tuesday, he backed off of that tack. Meanwhile, Bush seemed intent to appear energized in his responses.
Ben Carson, who spent the past week swatting down media reports about the veracity of his personal story, confronted the issue head-on Tuesday night: “The fact of the matter is, we should vet all candidates. I have no problem with being vetted. What I do have a problem with is being lied about and then putting that out there as truth,” he said, to warm applause.
And at the center of the debate stage once again was Trump, who remains with Carson one of the frontrunners in the race. But if Trump is usually a bastion of bombast, he appeared Tuesday markedly more measured — delving deeper into policy than usual, and resisting personal attacks except against Kasich, perhaps in a bid to appear more presidential.
"I'm becoming very diplomatic,” Trump reflected later in an interview with Neil Cavuto, one of the moderators.
Earlier in the evening, the debate’s undercard round featured just four candidates: Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal and Rick Santorum. Much of the pre-debate speculation focused on how Christie would react to being bumped off the main stage for the first time due to lagging national poll numbers.
From the outset, it became clear the New Jersey governor’s strategy was to stay focused on one opponent — Hillary Clinton —  and by extension, prove his own electability. Time after time, Christie steered his answers back to an attack on the former secretary of state and likely Democratic presidential nominee.
A noticeably aggressive Bobby Jindal called out Mike Huckabee over his spending record in Arkansas, but Christie came to Huckabee’s defense.
“Let me just say this in response to this back-and-forth,” Christie said. “If you think that Mike Huckabee won't be the kind of president who will cut back spending, or Chris Christie, or John Kasich, wait until you see what Hillary Clinton will do to this country and how she will drown us in debt. She is the real adversary tonight, and we'd better stay focused as Republicans on her.”
Later, a lengthy exchange between Jindal and Christie over his record in New Jersey ended with a particularly pointed jab by Jindal:  “Chris, look. I'll give you your ribbon for participation, and a juice box, but in the real world, it's about results.”
The normally pugilistic governor of New Jersey refused to take the bait, letting the insult go unanswered.
Huckabee and Santorum both received ample time to explain their economic plans, but in the end were largely overshadowed by the dust-up between Christie and Jindal, which continued even after the debate.
Surrounded by cameras and reporters in the “spin” room, Jindal called Christie a “big government” Republican and accused him of trying to hide behind attacks on Hillary Clinton because he “couldn’t defend his record.”
Mike DuHaime, a senior member of Christie’s team, brushed off the remark, calling the debate a “clear cut” victory for his candidate and praising his ability to stay above the fray.
Absent from either debate stage Tuesday were Sen. Lindsey Graham and former Gov. George Pataki, both of whom had previously appeared in the undercard round but were booted this time due to low polling. Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, who has not qualified for the past two debates, once again did not qualify for Tuesday’s meeting.
But Graham and Gilmore sought other avenues to make their voices heard. Gilmore participated in a live-stream event hosted by IJ Review, which at one point drew just 32 viewers, while Graham posted his reactions to the social media platform Sidewire.
Graham did not watch the undercard debate, he told RealClearPolitics, but he offered some advice based on his own sub-optimal experience with the format.
“Don’t win it, because they’ll kick you off if you do,” Graham joked. "The kiss of death is to win the undercard debate.”
Tom Bevan is the co-founder and Executive Editor of RealClearPolitics and the co-author of Election 2012: A Time for Choosing. Email:, Twitter:@TomBevanRCP

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Mitt Romney says its Okay and time to have the Dodd Frank/Glass Stiegel, 1,400 Trillion in Global Derivatives, QE3, 16 Trillion-Dollar Dept, who owns, runs, and is this country for, question, conversation and debate. Is it the citizens of America or the international financial élites, the 1% of the 1% of the 1%, with their privately owned News Media, their corrupt bought and paid for politicians and their privately owned for profit Federal Reserve exempt from liability, accountability, disclosure, “Rip Off The World Bank” or do we the people of America own this country? 

Friday on the Roger Hedgecock Show a caller suggested to Roger he could have a whole show on the Federal Reserve problem. Roger said, “If I did that we would loose everyone”. I have agreed up to this point with the approach of the talk show hosts, that priority number one is to counter balance the failures of the Main Stream Media making it their focus to just get people to understand that the country is in real economic trouble and the fiscal cliff is coming. It is priority number one to explain that this real economic problem is being made worse by the philosophies, perspective, nation view, world view and current administration policies. For the last three months of this election cycle I have agreed inside myself that it would be counter productive and an ineffective use of precious air time trying to get the public to understand that all of this economic hardship is the direct result of malfeasant, unconstitutional, Federal Reserve Policy, that was encouraged, supported, and was made legal by our past and current publicly elected officials. I was up to this point grateful that someone in this country was making the effort to debunk the delusional, irrational, illegal, immoral, manipulative, misguided power grab conduct of this administration.   Everyone that understands anything, understands that step one, in saving the country, is voting this administration out of office, especially the conservative talk show hosts that have been doing everyone’s job. 

Sun light cleans. Secrets are not solutions. Good for Mitt Romney for not being overly politically correct or being unrealistically optimist and painting a “Happy Pollyanna P.C. Face” or not mentioning at all, this serious Dodd Frank/Glass Stiegel tip of the ice berg problem that should be a topic of national discussion. Good for Mitt Romney for giving the country permission, the opportunity and the business focus to have the conversation. I am now tempted to say to the talk show hosts that possibly now is the time to start this Federal Reserve and financial restructuring topic with the general public. We need to support and follow the lead of Mitt Romney’s business acumen, experience and success and start talking about this unpublicized, not in the news, under exposed, un-debated, seemingly obscure, seemingly overly technical but actually very simple too big to fail bank problem and Dodd Frank/Glass Stiegel 1,400 trillion derivative problem. It is clear, that the current 180 off, turn around spin doctors, flip the logic, con-men/women of this administration do not have the intellectual honesty, integrity, philosophy or morality to discuss anything that does not have the hidden agenda and justification motivation of staying in power component to it. That’s all they got at this point, pure delusional self-absorption as they are figments of their own detached, delusional, unrealistic, imaginations based on nothing but empty, made up facts and substantive less talk pumping up their over inflated gas bag egos. 

Joe Carpenter Oct 7, 2012
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Here is the account of the troll that did this to me.  As you can tell by the comments I am very angry at him.

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+Nightmare SpringTrap the the Spoopy Hier of Alex 
And here is the new community.  All new discussions pretaining against bullies will be here from now on.  It pains me to say it but I have to start again from scratch and it was going so well but despite increase in security and a good supply of moderators Venom Master420 just came in and hacked his way and removed all my members.

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+Nightmare SpringTrap the the Spoopy Hier of Alex 
United Cause Against Cyberbullying is dead :'(  Venom Master420 killed it hacked into the community and removed everyone.  Just go onto the community Plushtrap and see for yourself.  It's bad. 

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