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Francois Tremblay
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The movie Zardoz is universally hailed by critics as a bad movie. We saw it tonight and didn't think it was that bad. Yes, it is unrelentingly seventies and cheesy as hell, but at least it tries something epic. I've also noticed a pretty strong antinatalist message. The Immortals want to die (as all immortals seem to), and they also encourage the ignorant masses not to breed. At the beginning, Zardoz, a fake god controlled by the Immortals, declares to the people: 

"THE GUN IS GOOD! THE PENIS IS EVIL! THE PENIS SHOOTS SEEDS TO PRODUCE THE HATED HUMANS! WHILE THE GUN SHOOTS DEATH TO CLEANSE THE EARTH!"

And Sean Connery traipses around the entire movie half-naked, which is pretty hot if that's your inclination (if not, there's also boobies). Fun times. 
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Thanks for the inspiration Francois
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Glad I was able to help! Good video!
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The Reverend Richard Dawkins

“We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. "
- Unweaving the Rainbow, Richard Dawkins
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+David Ellis Oh ffs Dawkins! Why did you have to wear that. Ruined my potentially viral pic :D
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What would you say is the greatest/deepest momentary pleasure/happiness in life? (by momentary I mean that lasts a short amount of time, e.g. less than 20 mins)

Sexual orgasm?
Good Roller-coaster ride?
A particular moment of love? (I wouldn't know)

Or is there some problem with my question?

Thanks
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Just a re-upload, little bit clearer:

Birth is a death sentence.
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I'm sure this has all been said before, just my turn lol. Whatever label we use, we all agree that we want to end all procreation. So as well as our efforts to end human procreation, we need to be discussing ideas for how to end animals' procreation - and whether it is possible at all.

Human suffering is a tiny drop in the ocean of suffering on this planet. I disagree with the VHEM and agree with inmendham that we have the power and responsibility to see if we can do something to end all procreation (or as much as possible), not just human procreation.

I was banned from the 'antinatalist+' group - formerly known as the "Efilism ( antinatalism+ )" group - at least according to my bookmark :) for apparently complaining too much about the owner's posts. In fact, I +1'd many of the owner's posts and encouraged people to watch her videos.

The description of that group still says "all procreation", not "all human procreation". But I will not (re)join a group where my speech will be subject to a different level of freedom than my fellow group members. I made two recent 'complaints' (questions) about the posting of seemingly unrelated news stories - I read so much negative news every day, if I posted it all because the root cause is 'procreation' (though true) it would become a news site, rather than an AN discussion site.

An apology from that owner for her attitude, her exaggeration and a retraction of any special conditions on my speech would set things right by me. Otherwise I'm happy to just continue beginning to contribute towards the most important (even if futile) cause I think there is wherever else I'm allowed to post.

So new and already involved in in-fighting, so typical of the human (and animal) condition. Sorry if anything I've done has brought this small movement into disrepute.
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I'm not a utilitarian, so no.
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I posted this as a comment on my Pleasure/Pain inmendham vid. But I'm eager to find work done by some of the great creators on here.

I won't say who yet, but I've had someone suggest that they would never sacrifice their children to save anything. Not to stop the girl from getting cancer, not to stop the holocaust, not to stop every human on the planet from being tortured. They understand how selfish this is, but it is just a reality for them. They recognise that this is a bad situation and that therefore any more procreation that will produce the same selfishness is bad. 

I may make a video about that soon and I just wanted to mention this in case anyone can point me to some videos (or blog posts - Francois! ;) already done on this offspring-love selfishness.
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That feeling I get when I witness/read-about/watch a tragedy, now I know what it is... it's a sense that there's absolutely no pleasure/happiness that is equal-but-opposite. Life is a net-negative.
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I'm a relatively new AN. Completely new to making videos too, as will be evident if you watch. But I'm hoping to contribute more, if my meds start working better.
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New entry: Examining the natalist and antinatalist metaphors.
The "life as toxic substance" metaphor. :) I've made the comparison many times between what natalists say about life and what antinatalists say about life. So on the one hand you've got the followi...
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Antinatalism is the position that procreation is wrong. Antinatalists are like childfree people, except that they also take a principled stance against all procreation, not just their own. Life entails suffering, and this suffering has no reason to exist.

Francois Tremblay
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"Antinatalism, Asymmetry, and an Ethic of Prima Facie Duties," by Gerald Harrison. He seems to be using a mix of "we have a duty to prevent/not to create suffering" and the consent argument. Basically, he's trying to build a logical argument that is perhaps less likely to raise people's defenses. Good luck with that. 
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Damn ...and I thought even Benatar was sugar-coating to the point of serious diabetes risks.
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I made it into an easier image-message. I have the full larger version if anyone wants it.
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New entry: Is natalism a religion?
A somewhat facetious question, but I think we can draw some parallels.
Is natalism a religion? This question may seem cheeky, but there is something to be said for the connection. First, let me set aside the traditional definition of religion, which is connected to th...
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"...And that makes us the lucky ones!"

The Reverend Richard Dawkins at the end of the first episode of one of his documentary series.

Great article, I'm sure you could expand it into almost a whole book!

My answer to the titular question is: Yes yes, yes yes yes, yes yes, yes yes yes...
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New entry: Ecological antinatalism: worth another look.
Where I discuss the delusions of mainstream environmentalism and why antinatalism is the only really ecological solution. 
The more analytical types, like myself, who were brought on board antinatalism by Benatar's book and his logical arguments seem to consider ecological antinatalism (e.g. VHEMT) the red-headed stepc...
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Overall, an excellent analysis of the ecological rationale for antinatalism. I have reservations about the final sentence: "Since future generations have as much a right to exist as we do, we are justified in using violence in service of that right."

Would radical environmentalists typically accept the premise that non-existent beings (future generations) have as much right to exist as those that already exist?

I wouldn't grant the unborn the right to future existence, but if they do come into this world they have the right not to suffer harm from our abuse of the environment.
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My newest entry on antinatalism: Elizabeth Harman's failed rebuttal of the Asymmetry. I examine an academic rebuttal of the Asymmetry and find it very lacking.
In 2009, philosopher Elizabeth Harman published a critical analysis of the Asymmetry in peer-reviewed journal Noûs (thank you to reader Brian L. for the link). This analysis can be examined here. I...
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Optimism clouds reality more than its opposite: depression, in my most humble (*cough*bullshit) opinion.
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There IS a me! :-) As my meds continue to work, I can take slow steps towards revealing myself. I have severe generalised social anxiety (being scared of your own mum is not fun)... but I may finally be getting over it.

So this is SelfImmolator. No real name yet, I'm thinking of changing it soon anyway. I'm 10 years older than I look (being a shut-in does that).

I'm not sure how much crossover there is between this group and the 'antinatalism+' group so I'm posting things in both for now. Someone tell me to stop if there's no need lol.
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Yea, I know.
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I'm online if anyone wants company/chat about philosophy or any other subject. http://tinychat.com/roguephilosophy
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+Laniakea Official i was in the process of going through chrome to delete tinychat cookies, when i decided to just open it as incognito. worked. unfortunately, i'll have to go back to the last decade's way of typing things in again. God, this must have been what it felt like to be a caveman.
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Hey guys! I'm holding a contest on Youtube about Antinatalism, and I'm making in cross platform, and would love Antinatalists of all types to respond! I made a video here with more information about the contest, I would truly love for as many of you as possible to be involved. Thanks!
NEW Contest! Why Are You An Antinatalist?
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