+Randi Miller In all reality, marriage is either an institution of the church or the state. It can't be both, because then my rights are being impeded on by Christians and that is not the American way.
There are actually two different institutions of marriage. There's the civil marriage, and there's the social/religious marriage. They are not the same thing. The problem is that we call them the same thing. We should stop doing that.
I disbelieve that your rights are being impeded on -- since I don't believe in a right to have your chosen marriage recognized by government -- although certainly there is an issue of equality there. However (and this is a pet peeve of mine): if you really believe in actual marriage equality, then you should fight not for legalized gay marriage, but for legal marriages between any
two consenting adults.
I heard a gay activist say New York has full marriage equality now, but it's a lie: siblings, first cousins, etc. are still not allowed to marry in New York. Even if they're gay. Frankly, I disbelieve people who say they are for full marriage equality, but fight only for expanding the circle of marriage to include their preferred unions, instead of fighting for actual marriage equality.
Yes, incest is icky. To me, homosexuality is just as icky. But I am fine with people making that choice. And I can see no justification for keeping incestuous marriage illegal if we're saying that gay marriage should be legal for the sake of "equality."
It's like when we got suffrage for black men in the 15th Amendment. A lot of people opposed that because women were still excluded from voting. Equality means equality, dammit. I know it's hard because we think incest is so terribly wrong
, but honesty and reason require me to reject the claim that this is about equality if it's demonstrably not really about equality.