firstly sarcasm is not your forte..but clearly you did not go to history class...and if you want an honest debate where you can fully read all the words and actually think about what you are reading then you have got it all the way my friend. However in order to do this you have to commit to READING first. Lets start with this, an article coming from the catholic league is not particularly catholic????really. And did you bother to read the gaurdian article???? Well you should considering his statements like:
"This is vile, but whether it is more vile than the record of any other profession is not obvious" so at this point I am not wrong it is just not obvious
Or how about this
"I believe that all institutions attempt to cover up institutional wrongdoing although the Roman Catholic church has had a higher opinion of itself than most, and thus a greater tendency to lie about these things. Because it is an extremely authoritarian institution at least within the hierarchy, it is also one where there were few checks and balances on the misbehaviour of the powerful".....so how am I lying? at this conclusion not only am I not wrong but likely really right!!!
and your articles are exactly that...articles....try going to a university library and research it...you will find much different results....true research that is done in a non bias matter which can be determined by the measurements used, applied, variables and means
Beyond that now you are the bigoted deceitful one because here is his exact statement from the Pope...the full question and the full answer...again this commands the ability to read.....this is the transcript of the question and what he said and just to make it interesting I got if from a catholic source: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-transcript-of-popes-in-flight-press-remarks-released/
Ilze Scamparini: (originally in Italian)
I would like to ask your permission to pose a question that’s a bit delicate. Also another image went around the world, which was that of Monsignor Ricca and of the news of his private life. I would like to know, Holiness, what do you intend to do about this question? How will this question be confronted and how does Your Holiness intend to confront the question of the gay lobby?
Pope Francis: (originally in Italian)
[For] that of Monsignor Ricca, I did what the Canon Law requires and did the preliminary investigation. And from this investigation, there is nothing of that which he is accused. We haven’t found any of that. This is the answer.
But I would like to add one more thing on this. I see that so many times in the Church, separately from this case and also in this case, the "sins of youth" are sought out, for example, and then these things are published. [These are] not crimes, eh. Crimes are something else. The abuse of minors is a crime. No, sins. But, if a person, lay or priest or sister, has committed a sin and then has repented, the Lord forgives. And when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives.
When we go to confession and we truly say, “I have sinned in this,” the Lord forgets and we do not have the right not to forget because we run the risk that the Lord will not forget our [sins]. This is a danger. This is important, a theology of sin. So many times I think of St. Peter. He committed one of the worst sins, that of denying Christ. And with this sin, they made him Pope. We must think much.
But returning to your more concrete question, in this case I carried out the preliminary investigation and we didn’t find [anything].
That is the first question. Then you spoke of the gay lobby. Mah! So much is written about the gay lobby. I have yet to find anyone who can give me a Vatican identity card with “gay” [written on it]. They say they are there. I think that when you encounter a person like this, you must make a distinction between the fact of a person being gay from the fact of being a lobby, because lobbies, all are not good. That is bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, well who am I to judge them? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this in a very beautiful way, but says, wait a moment, how do you say... it says, [that] these persons must not be marginalized for this, they must be integrated into society.”
The problem is not having this tendency, no, we must be brothers, because this is one, but there is another, another [problem]. The problem is forming a lobby of this tendency, a lobby of the greedy, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This is the gravest problem for me. And thank you so much for asking this question. Thank you very much!"
So your statement and I quote "The Holy Father said that if a man has same sex attraction and doesn't act on them, and he has no proof of such, then who is he to judge". is a flat out lie. You say you are sick of people using this...you should be sick with yourself. You clearly are the bigot now. How awful that you take the worlds of such a distinguished man and twist them....these are his words..word for word. He said nothing about acting on them...he spoke of lobbying not "acting on them" as you say. Your thoughts "He is absolutely right, those sturggling with the disorders of same sex attraction and any sexual problem and fight it successfully and overcome them or live a chaste life while dealing with the temptation should be given our support" He did not even address your thought he simply said they are our brothers. He simply indicated if they accept god in their hearts....not the conditions your opinion puts on them He spoke about integrating them into society not to banish them with a law.....what he said is the danger is lobbying...so those who lobby for or lobby against...either way it is a danger !!!
Perhaps all the media is to blame or the lack of knowledge because I will say this...being gay has nothing to do with child molestation and not once is that addressed by the media but is addressed by his holiness calling child molestation a crime...but not once did he call homosexuality a crime. If being gay meant the same as being a child molester then all gay people would be child molesters and they simply put are not. All research has proven this. I personally know gay people and they have never molested a child.....I am sick of the lack of common sense, intelligence and the inability to do real research....to gain knowledge you must first be willing to seek it, then you must secondly be willing to question it......so I ask you again is the man known as being closest to God wrong?