New post on e-Literate, with kudos to Katy Jordan (if someone has her in circles, add her to comments).
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- I think if I hear the word (rhymes with Luke) one more time I'm going to jump off a bridge.
PHENOMENAL work by this student. Am I the only person bothered by all the effort the FORTY THOUSAND students put into trying the Sociology class and the tiny, tiny few who finished?
Sorry, yes, PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST ENJOY FLOATING THROUGH THESE THINGS! I KNOW THAT! But what about the students whose time was wasted! Why is this not more upsetting to the world????
Maybe the world does not realize how hard life is out there for young people? I don't know. But this Katy Jordan needs to be found and given some kind of an accolade for doing this analysis.
Thank youFeb 26, 2013
- While there are numbers to crunch, this feels a lot like the Columbia study in that there are no quality factors here. I am so discouraged that Coursera does not even ASK when people "unenroll" what their reason(s) are for not completing the course. The reasons are obviously many and varied and they are so NOT created equal. Dropping a course because "I got out of it what I needed and was done" is totally different from dropping out because "I was tired of being insulted at the toxic discussion boards."
Those causes for dropping out are so staggeringly different (one good! one bad! and of course there are dozens more, good and bad), that a number which conflates them and offers no means of differentiating them at all is not an esp. useful number except for saying, "Oh my, look at that huge dropout number!"Feb 26, 2013
- Thank you for pointing out, "I was tired of being insulted at the toxic discussion boards." I have not had to do a Coursera course yet, have learned most of what I know about that from you, but the data keeps ignoring THE STUDENTS!!!!!!! And eliminating teachers seems so not the direction we should be headed. Please someone, make sure I live long enough to make sure that our online courses are at least as good, or better, than our land-based ones. Soon, within ten years or so, there will be no one left to do the comparison and I can't help thinking that charlatans will enter the fray and "sell" us that we are getting "better" when there is no one left to counter them.Feb 27, 2013
- A course with 50,000 students and a 10% completion rate = 5,000 students completing the course. If the course is any good, that's a great number of successful students. We need to spend less time worrying about the number of students who leave and concentrate on the students who stay. Overall I would spend my time thinking about that phrase "If the course is any good".Apr 25, 2013
- In the Coursera course I did, the completion rate was far lower than 10% but, as you say, the more important point is that the course design was just abysmal - it's not really clear what the learning objectives were for the course, but the assessment (peer review of largely random and undirected writing assignments) was completely inadequate to any kind of learning objectives that I can imagine.Apr 25, 2013
- Besides bad course design (it's as if they do not know best practices for teaching online), but no one counts all the TIME that all those people who did NOT complete the course spent. In economics that is called "opportunity cost." It is what those 90% of students COULD have been doing with that time.
However, discounting those who wish to become educated and those who are doing the educating seems pretty ubiquitous. I said over ten years ago that the karma that is setting up for higher education is going to be pretty rough. I think we're starting to see it.
Final point: MOOCs GET RID OF TEACHERS!!!!!! TEACHERS ARE NOT THE EXPENSIVE PART OF EDUCATING PEOPLE!!!!Apr 25, 2013
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