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This guy just doesn't get it. A movement doesn't rise to power to run municipalities and an active war, with a war communism market system if they aren't supported by the populous.
The imperialist side puts the enemy into a moral framework where we are righteous so we must win. If they are winning its only temporary cause they are crazy.

But this view is illogical. It is because they are supported and they do appeal to people like Hitler did to Germans. If you don't recognize this you will follow the French at Diem Bien Feu (misspelled) to defeat.


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You make a comment which begins with a quotation which sounds like something I might have typed somewhere. Please attribute the quotes so that the reader can know who is making the parenthesized statement.

After the statement you speak of something which is a non sequitur. The quote refers to questioning the assumptions of where independent research will be funded and completed. Research doesn't just spring from the earth it has to be funded and be done by reputable organizations.

For the research to be valid it must be reproducible and meet standards. My comment doesn't speak to this issue.
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I hope you are ok. You commentary is always welcome because of its thoughtfulness and presentation. I do hope you are healthy, happy, and satisfied with your body of YouTube contributions.

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I am not dismissing people who say it is unsafe to eat GMO foods as crackpots. I am dismissing crackpots as crackpots.

I am a physical therapist. I use spinal and peripheral manipulations. Manipulations or adjustments from chiropractic, osteopathic as in DO, Maitland, and Kalterborn. When people criticize the chiropractic profession based on their theory of subluxation and nerve compression, they tend to think this negates the actual adjustment or manipulation. This is not the case. While we all do what bone setters have done for thousands of years, some have tried and failed to provide a rational for the effectiveness. Chiropractic has chosen a pseudoscience approach which while the technique brings relief sometimes being more effective then PT alone, the theory doesn't withstand scientific scrutiny.
The same can be said of dry Chinese needling. The idea of chi, meridians, doesn't withstand scientific rigors but dry needling does work to relieve pain, relax Trigger points, and assist in healing by mechanism not completely understood.


So while I can listen to anti GMO activists and organizations I can spot the crack pots and nonsensical theories from those who express theoretical health concerns based on rational speculation.
For instance a GMO which produces some anti fungal or bacteriostatic properties not known in that species may effect my gut or skin biome in ways that are unknown at this time. I would like first of all to know if I am eating GMO foods, and if I can avoid those foods as much as possible. This is just as preferentially valid as if I chose to avoid animal based food where slaughter house practices are questionable.

I also want to avoid the GMO's where the genome has been altered to help the plant withstand higher levels of pesticide applications. I am happy that the plant survived but I'm not happy that the run off from the farm has ever increasing levels of pesticides as the pests evolve to resist the pesticide! I don't want to consume drenched pesticide vegetation nor have to suffer increasing pesticides in my holiday swim in the river or the fish and birds I also eat.

I have been asked for evidence to which I ask who is going to fund research into the impacts of GMO INTRODUCTIONS? What industry, government agency, grant hungry university, or consumer organization has the means to finance such a complicated multilevel social question which is GMO? I don't see any forces in society pushing for such research. We have to wait and see just like with fracking, oil pipelines, tar sands.
We had the same problem with the invasion of Iraq for WMD's. Look how that has turned out. I warned of this alone with others who looked at historical pattern but had no evidence of the outcomes. 
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+Gilberto Ramirez I understand you have feeling based moral objections to GM foods, with little else to substantiate them. That is why I didn't address any of your claim about them.

My issue was with the line I quoted in my comment. Where you imply using convenient conspiratorial rationalizations that any research you don't agree with must be the product money hungry scientist trying make a quick buck. i.e "Circumstantial ad hominems and appeals to motive".

I will re-quote the line again for your convince
"I have been asked for evidence to which I ask who is going to fund research [...] that industry, government agency, grant hungry university, or consumer organization."
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They are doing that to a war criminal. It is appropriate. If we found a war criminal his age would not diminish his guilt not our disgust with his presence. 
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Light is a sensation specific to organism that have organs specific to sensing specific frequencies of energy. There is not light and dark! There are frequencies of energy emitted by matter. Other organs in organism sense for ultraviolet, infrared, and other frequencies of energy. The same can be said of sound. Sound only exists for organisms that have organs to sense oscillations in air or matter which vibrates the organ. What we call sound is created in our brains as sound doesn't exist in reality independent of our brains. If you don't understand what I'm saying you should look into it as these are facts independent of opinion.
Light doesn't exist as our brains present it to consciousness. Frequencies of energy exist. 
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+Gilberto Ramirez I'm sorry but you are wrong. Sound is created from pressure waves... waves which exists whether we have brains or not. Ever hear of a sonic boom? that's a huge pressure wave.... When a bomb goes off and creates a shock wave, that's pressure just like sound. 

The rest of your post seems redundant.
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Hey CLCinFlorida you have that same tiny little brain don't you? How is it that your brain can see something we all don't see?
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+CLCinflorida Ok are you suggesting that you are God? Does your argument come directly from God, are you so sure with absolute certainty.
Wait are you that guy on that 70's show who says, "good day sir, I said good day."
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@In2hardcore you wrote the last two paragraphs. I assume since you haven't attributed the first paragraph in quotes that it is something I have said. The first paragraph below has nothing to do with your second paragraph comment. We assess the validity and truth of a hypothesis's research conclusion based on among other things a review of the methodology of the experiment and also but not solely on the reproducibility of that methodology producing similar results. I have no problem with this, I agree. So I ask where in my comments are circumstantial ad hominems and appeals to motive? These two are not effective or logical arguments for discerning the truth!
"I have been asked for evidence to which I ask who is going to fund research [...] that industry, government agency, grant hungry university, or consumer organization."
Yeah, why would we assess science based on the methodologies used and the reproducibility of the results. When we can make circumstantial ad hominems and appeals to motive, these are surely more effective ways discerning the truth.
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You sir are a great strawman salesman. I can't imagine that someone could have access to all that information of your adversaries without being unable to understand it. I therefore have to assume that you are deliberating lying!

You do not represent science. You represent pseudo science. Nothing prevents you from demonstrating the efficacy of your beliefs. Where is your science?

Your misunderstanding of vaccines doesn't validate your perspectives nor your ND approach.

Polio vaccination is effective. It is understood. It has eradicated polio from most of the world. The same is true of small pox.


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+Gilberto Ramirez Well In history of time we never thought of vaccines but now they decide to do It and only reason Is they do It for Is for profit nothing else so that makes me a silly boy? ok sure thing buddy cause I'm not. Fight me all you want but I look In history how everything got started everything from ethier the flexner report or any other types of history. Look at today why you think people say no to vaccines because they don't want them and knows other things that can happen with them how do we know what kind of chemical toxic or such are In any of them. We wouldn't drink Bleach so why should we poison ourselfs with vaccines which only god knows what the hell they can be In them. Therefore I don't support something I don't know what will happen. Why you think you hear of lawsuits If their not great? like you think they are.
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Science vs Belief? Is this really a valid comparison? I think not. Science doesn't have an opinion, scientists do? Science doesn't take a position on conclusions, evidence, proof, or theories. Science is a process.
EVIDENCE VS. BELIEF
That's a bit closer to the point.
I can have a belief with or without evidence, based on faulty logic, based on a hunch, based on a gut feeling, based on a historical precedent, or among other things based on evidence justified by scientifically verified processes.

I'm going to create a new fallacy called the absence of scientific research fallacy. It goes like this. "Where is the scientific research that A is dangerous?" We know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is a specific subset of my new fallacy. The point being that absence of research (of harm or benefit) does not act as evidence of harm or benefit.

Years ago when the scientific method was young, rich men with time and the financial resources conducted research on whatever tickled their fancy. Lots of great things came from this research. But people began to believe that research springs from questions raised about hypothesis, medications, procedures in medicine and industrial products. People think that the government, universities, scientific societies just fund all types of research. This is not the case. Research is not free nor spontaneous. Don't assume all testing has been done, nor that all avenues of research in x amount of time has found nothing wrong justifies a bill of health.

We test medications, place them on the market and lo and behold down the line something bad happens to the public health. So when you drink you municipal water you may be drinking some cardiac medication, diabetic, and cholesterol medications, water your edible plants with it too. What is the effect if any? I don't know? People need the medications to live.

Let me ask you if the pharmaceutical industry said, well drugs have been tested and found safe for decades. All drugs are safe. We don't need to test drugs cause we tested them already. Would you go for that argument. Wouldn't you want to test each drug? When I say test would you want to stop just with the effect the drug has on the disease, what about the long, short term effect on the person, the environment, the people who live in close proximity, what about the effect on gut bacteria and gut virus', on skin microorganisms that flaunt and fauna that cohabitates our bodies? It's getting complicated isn't it.

You speak of GMO testing as if all GMO's are tested en mass they aren't. Each GMO must be evaluated individually but to what extent? Is safety only the immediate effect of eating the product. What is the effect on the environment, your biome, on other plants in the environment on other organisms which share the planet? What is the political impact of corporation patenting GMO's. How does copyright effect those who wish to use unmodified seeds but have GMO CONTAMINATION where Monsanto sues them for theft of copyright when Monsanto is the culprit because they can't control the spread of their genetic material to other plants by pollination? What is the effect to our health when our farming becomes corporate agribusiness by health I mean wars over food and land, over seeds and debt?

This stuff really spins my head. We are conducting an experiment by releasing GMO's into the environment. What are other experiments similar to this? How about putting lead in gasoline? Wasn't that safe? Weren't there experiments on safety? What was the effect on the planet from that experiment? Was it necessary to put lead in gasoline?

Why is it necessary to introduce GMO's into the environment? Does anyone question the urgency? Is a global lack of food a political or industrial question? Can organic farming based not on profit but on feeding the planet profile for the world? Is the reality that politics, religions, greed, sexism, racism, hatred prevents a solution to world hunger based on long held farming practices that require world wide solutions involving cooperation?

Just when is GMO farming going to rid the world of malnutrition and hunger?

The experiment that is capitalism which is a short lived but highly destructive method of social organization of production and distribution of labor and natural resources is the primarily responsible theory for the state of our planet's health and well being. We have global warming, wars around the globe, deep divisions in the distribution of wealth, pollution, carcinogens, concentrated nuclear materials, diminishing sources of natural resources in material and conventional energy.

Could GMO introduction be an unretractable mistake with unforeseen consequence? Why are we taking that chance?
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The first smart comment here, and of course potholer and his pied piper clan of children do not reply to you.

What you are saying is very basic regulatory stuff, and it's sad that all ive asked for was research that proves gmo's are safe in humans (long term, multi generational, independent studies), to which no one can show me. They just give me industry studies that test for gmo fed cows and their lactating habits over 3 weeks, and think that proves safety, or they just don't read the studies at all.

If it were 1957, im sure potholer would do a video on how science says Thalidomide is safe.

Makes me wonder if potholer got a pay check for making this video, no one can be this inept. I mean, I get the 15 year olds, but what's his excuse?
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I listened to the Laci Green video. She was generalizing in her comparison and contrast of Bob's burgers to contemporary formalistic comedy shows. She sees in some of the characters of Bob's Burgers a change in the portrayal of standard types of mother, father, daughter, and son. I listened to her video and her opinion.
Last night I listened to a documentary on the life and contributions of the comedian Richard Pryor. I had no idea of the evolution of his comedy, of his early childhood, nor of the impact he had on comedy, acting, television, civil right, freedom of speech, and race relations. I had learned something. I had no desire to challenge the documentary for political correctness.
Lacy Green looks at something and comments. I learned something. She never said this is the way it has to be. She only says this is the way I feel.
So I say to you I'm a bit confused about your comments. I initially found them confusing and rambling.
I also looked at your comments section. Some of the comments are evidence of a misunderstanding of feminism.
Feminism is the ideology, feminist identify with feminism. A feminist can also fail in understanding feminism just like atheist can fail in understanding atheism. Don't hold the ideology responsible for the failures of self described adherents.
Feminism does not want women to reject a role as homemaker. A feminist may attack homemakers as a goal for women but feminism doesn't. Homemakers play a vital unacknowledged role in propagating our species. Feminism praises that work and sacrifice for both men and women who choose it. Feminism decries social forces which mandate that role solely to one gender.
That feminists, mysoginists, comedians, and cartoonists may agree or disagree with what Lacy Green has to say is all good by me as long as I learn something from their critiques. I didn't get anything from you comments.
I still love you both, more her as she is a diva goddess and you're a super dude. I'm just say'in.
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