Issa v. Holder, Round 54
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- I think you just set a record for the most logical fallacies used in one day:
Argumentum ex Silentio -- The fallacy of supposing that someone's silence is necessarily proof of ignorance.
But back to your...er...errors...
1. Bush did not knowingly use false intel. According to your link, he was presented with information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle. That was one intel briefing against dozens that said otherwise.
2. As someone who has been race-baiting all day, you may want to think twice about who's trying to change the subject.
3. As for defending Rep. Issa, it seems rather pointless when you're acting so irrationnaly (I was going to say acting like an idiot, but since you know how to type, I'm not sure if that would have been accurate.)
Contrary to your weak racism hooey, Rep. Issa's newly obtained wiretaps show that senior Justice Department officials knew about and approved Fast and Furious tactics.
Back in March, 2011, Obama promised that there would be exposure to this, and that they would hold people accountable. Hasn't happened. So the committee had to issue a subpoena back in October, which the DOJ didn't comply with. Speaker Boehner sent a letter over to the Department of Justice, asking some very basic questions of them and the White House. They didn't comply. The DOJ is refusing to provide the very same documents that they're claiming will clear them!
Smells like a cover up to me.Jun 7, 2012
- Issa needs to get a federal judge to help get all the information he needs to put obama and goons in prison where they belong. maybe if they water board holder they could get the truth.Jun 8, 2012
- Unless you've got some access to Bush's inner thoughts that we don't know about, you can't be sure he didn't knowingly use false intel. In other words, he had a case of confirmation bias.
I don't think that refusing a request from the Speaker's office matters on the grounds of both the 5th Amendment and need to know. Neither the committee nor the Speaker's office are impartial parts of the Judiciary branch, thus there is no expectation of a fair trial proceeding from such disclosure as opposed to political grandstanding.
Again, Issa should get his stuff together and put it in front of a judge already.
"Smells like a cover up" is an opinion, granted, but it is also using silence to imply guilt. I'll let you look up the Latin for that.
I'll let James explain the problems in your statement from the words "to put" onward.Jun 8, 2012
- The first part of your argument is flawed. Of course President Bush had to use his judgement as to which intel was credible, and which wasn't. Iraq was an intractable and difficult subject. The tradecraft of intelligence rarely has the luxury of having black and white facts. Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, and Bill Harlow all confirmed that the intel was constant and static. To say that the President acted on false intel would imply that the entire administration, and world spy agencies were involved in a global conspiracy.
And you're a bit off on your facts regarding the House Judiciary Committee. Rep. Issa is conducting hearings, not a trial. There are actually two problems with the Fast & Furious hearings: 1) The subpoenas, although warranted, were not very specific. So when Darrell Issa asks Eric Holder, "What did you know?", it leaves so much wiggle room for Holder that it's almost impossible to pin him down on anything. 2) With so much wiggle room, Holder is able to evade direct questioning, and provide often vague and ambiguous answers. I've watched coverage of the hearings, and Eric Holder's answers often come across sounding like he's saying, "Duh, wut?"
Of course "Smells like a cover-up" is an opinion. It would have been disingenous to say that it is a cover-up, since I only know as much as what's been said in the hearings. Not really sure what you meant by "using silence."Jun 8, 2012
- 1. You commit several logical fallacies in your comments.
2. You have a habit of calling information that doesn't jibe with your political beliefs "BS." That's called poisoning the well.
3. Bush didn't lie: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=3851
4. Claiming that Rep. Issa is only trying to smear the names of a black president and black AG is race-baiting.
5. Since the hearings are to determine what the Eric Holder knew, and when he knew it, and they're ongoing, your links are worthless.
6. The title says it all: "ATF officials reassigned in latest Fast and Furious fallout." FAIL.
7. Eric Holder lied: http://www.westernjournalism.com/holders-lies-exposed-by-doj-document-leak/
8. Incorrect. Holder has surrendered 7,600 pages of approximately 240,000. Those 7,600 pages are so heavily redacted as to be almost unreadable. For over a year, DOJ has failed to cite a single piece of legal authority or case law that supports its refusal to produce documents to Congress.
9. You're flailing. Maybe you should take a break.Jun 8, 2012
- Debating your opinions, specualtion, assumptions and non sequiturs is pointless.Jun 9, 2012