Interesting discourse. Maintaining civility during debates regarding subjects we're passionate about is tough. Just relax and let God guide you, and for Petras sake dont allow
them to distract you from the current, right argument by their diverting your attention to an incorrect one. And dont pull that on them either. "Dont have the wrong arguement, with the wrong person, for the wrong reasons" (Me)
Baptists, in my experience, tend to be the most unyielding to even the most logical arguments, largely because most of them were raised to believe they hold exclusive knowledge and right to access Heaven. Theyre taught from the pulpet that theyre better because all others, esp those Catholics, are worse. Its the most non-Christian and nonsensical theologianology in modern times. Theyre also taught that we (those who arent them) are all heretics and going straight to hell (bbecause we're not them).
How can you blame them? Theyve got it made. Theyve taken the most convenient and lenient theologianology regarding salvation, believing that they can do whatever the heck they want because Christ's sacrifice gave them a free pass, and just to seal the deal they do the sinners prayer (biblically baseless). It's sad and misguided, and we should be praying for them to break free so they can read the Word for themselves and find salvation.
There is no room for critical thought in the theologianology built entirely on some heretics revisions of the bible, and proof texts. Whats tougher than their accepting the full message of Christ is the prospect of their having to completely change their thinking and behavior, and live better lives loving everyone selflessly -especially those they hate (98% of the planet). This being exceedingly harder than just regurgitating "once saved always saved", pulling out the rubber crutch of Jn3:16 and living as they will without concern for the whole rest of the New Testament. ...you know, all those pesky sentences that include "if" - over 100 in John alone - all associated with what one must do to be saved - AND HE WAS AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS for Chephas sake and surely knew what Christ meant - including all that couldnt be written down (ffar more than what was).
Oh! Every time the term "scripture" is used in the new testament, its referring to the Law and the Prophets (the apostles were Jews). The old and new testaments wouldnt exist for another 400 yrs or so (thanks to Catholics). Good thing we all had oral tradition to carry the Word all those years.
And yes, there were exceedingly better Christians in this time. Face it, none of us would pass the tests of the early martyrs, and they were far more justified than we'll ever be - despite not having the bible, because they believed so hard in the lamb, the eucharist, and the message of hope for everyone that they longed to die for Him. They were empowered by their love and faith. Faith cannot exist where there is fear (and vis-versa).
If you resume the conversation, and I hope you do, be careful not to bring up confirmation as the fulfillment of (prior; infant) baptism or his head will spin.