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- So... you're arguing that Red Hat is, ATM, like Microsoft when they started getting just some patents?
Then management will change and they will start patenting everything between heaven and hell?
Note: I love Red Hat, but just like I love my baby boy and punish him when he does bad things, I also criticize when they do bad things.
Their patent advocacy is a bit far from abolish software from patent realm, and even their promise, like the qed I gave, is clear that they don't want to do that.
It's #problematic and I'm sorry to see below belt punches rather than real discussion on the problems.Jul 20, 2012
- NO. Why are you twisting my words? I said that Microsoft also realized that staying in the cold without patents was a dangerous situation back in 2002. Now we are in 2012. Microsoft made its first (lame) patent promise in 2007. Red Hat made it as soon as it started gathering patents, and founded OIN for good measure.
I hate to repeat myself if my arguments are not taken into consideration. I think I have already said quite clearly that they, unlike Google, have a clear and steadfast advocacy against software patents, because this is in their own interest and because they believe it. You refer to one word that could have been better chosen, agreed. But I have worked with them (not for them) on a number of issues where facts followed words, thus my confidence.Jul 20, 2012
- Techrights has carried this history of Microsoft's software patent attack. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107
Just two years after the State Street decision, Bill Gates ordered Microsoft to amass patents. As is typical, he justified his future behavior by imagining a strawman who would have "a 17-year right to take as much of our profits as they want." if he did not. We see the company was using those patents aggressively against companies like Sun in the 90s and launched their offensive against free software as the SCO trial was faltering in 2002, and the PR blitz starts in 2004. This background is not very useful in the present case other than to realize what a bunch of self serving extortionists the Microsoft people are.
Every penny Red Hat, Google, IBM and friends waste on software patents is a penny that makes free software less competitive. It validates the whole fraud and wastes money that should be spent lobbying. Software patents are a stupid mess that must be eliminated.
The word "generally" should be removed from Red Hat's promise. It serves no purpose and is confusing. It is nice to meet a lawyer who thinks in terms of general and particular solutions, but most don't know diff eq and think the way says. The word "always" might be better, but we could just leave the term unmodified.
"software patents generally impede innovation in software development" -> "software patents impede innovation in software development"
I don't think this is a big deal and why effort would be spent fighting the change. Thanks, for pointing it out.
I also think Red Hat should avoid the terms, "intellectual property" and
"intellectual property rights" which are meaningless and confusing.Jul 20, 2012
- I'm not twisting your words,, just pointing out the underlying issues with that argument.
The facts still are that I have no knowledge of Red Hat as a company advocating the end of software patents, or excluding software from patentability or whatever one wants to call it.
There's always a tiny spec of some may be acceptable in the official statements.
Now... most Red Hat people, like Jan, will certainly call for the end of software patents, but that position is not fully backed by management.
Maybe they're just cowards and are afraid of sounding "communist" or "socialist" in the US for advocating that, but the fact is... they're not backing that up in the visible statements.Jul 20, 2012
- I do not have a knife.
My enemy has a knife.
My friend buys a knife because of our mutual enemies.
I feel very uncomfortable.Jul 20, 2012
- It's more like all of our friends have been stabbed and the law encourages the murderers.Jul 20, 2012