What do you think about these billboards targeting America's consumption of cheese?
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- You mistakenly used the word "humble" in that last post. The word you were looking for is narcissistic.Feb 6, 2012
- As much as it's touching for you to vouch for her character,, her post (and yours) points out something that I believe we all frequently forget. We're all "called" to brighten our corner of the world in one way or another. For some, it's speaking for the furry tasty animals, and for some others, it's exposing the darker parts of human nature through insightful dialogue. For some it's healing the sick, and for others it's raising empathetic and responsible children. When you take your method of brightening your corner of the world and say out loud "My way is BEST! My way is RIGHT! And everyone else is WRONG!" and imply that nobody else is doing a damn lick of good, yes, it does raise some eyebrows and the BP of some more easily excitable characters. Why are you surprised?
When activists and journalists go from being informative and persuasive to being obnoxious narcissists who have nothing but the most self righteous and annoying things to spew at the public, the cause is lost. Do you know why nobody cares about animals as much as you'd like them to? Because the tactics used by the people who "speak" for them are too annoying and insulting to convince the general population otherwise. Perhaps if you both weren't so obnoxious about how you present your points, people would genuinely care about what you have to say and not feel the need to defend themselves so vehemently.
And yes, this conversation does have something to do with the topic. What goes through our heads when we see billboards such as these? You imagine tortured cows, I roll my eyes at the hyperbolic dialogue, and most other people in this thread mutter to themselves "over my dead body, I love cheese. To hell with a long healthy life, and who wants to be 90 anyway?" (I'm with the latter group too, by the way). Images and questions make us think. And because we're all different, we all thought different things upon seeing this posting asking us how we felt about billboards demonizing the effects of cheese on the human body.
In short. Relax sparky and put the shovels down. You're doing more harm than good at this point.Feb 6, 2012
- I in no way meant that because you care about animal rights that meant you didn't care about human rights. I think some of the things animal rights activists fight for/against is harmful for humans (e.g. no animal testing), but I know it's not meant that way. I didn't say that you didn't care anywhere in my post, and I had no intention of implying it. The reason why all the examples I used were ones of humans is quite simple: those are the ones I care about. As I've already said, the death of cows doesn't interest me. Same applies to lab rats, pigs, etcetera. So examples pertaining to humans are what I used.
And if you want to do what you can with yourself, and boycott practically everything under the sun, then good for you. You're obviously not boycotting everything that has problems (you do still pay taxes, I presume, and you're on a computer that was almost assuredly made under bad conditions), but you're doing what you can this side of an Amish lifestyle or prison.
I have nothing against vegetarians, vegans, etcetera. One of my sisters, who I love dearly, is one. Here's when it bothers me: when they go recruiting. By all means, inform me what's in gelatin. I like knowing things as much as the next person, and being rather hard to gross out it won't affect my appetite. But don't try to convince me to stop eating skittle because of gelatin, or, in this case, cheese because animals are tortured in the process. I like cheese, and I don't really care how many cows are pumped up with drugs then sucked dry by machines to get the cheese and milk to me. The recruiting is what bothers me. And, to bring it to the original npr article, that's what the billboard is attempting to do.
I feel like there's something in that last paragraph I should object to (other than the religious references in it I couldn't possibly be less interested in) but I'm honestly not sure what your point is there.
Is someone who accused of supporting animal torture really going to lecture on ad hominen attacks? Obviously it's a logical fallacy. That wasn't the point of Woodard's post though. Woodard, Thayer, and I have all made references to the tone you and Haworth have taken in this discussion. Calling her narcissistic wasn't Woodard's attempt to prove his point, just an expression of annoyance with her morally superior tone. And yours. Want to talk about ad hominen attacks, though, how do our respective ages have anything to do with this discussion? They don't. It wasn't an ad hominen attack on your part, though. But it can be read that way, the same as you read Woodard's comment that way.
Most of us believe humans are better than animals. I am far from an exception to that rule. Most people, nearly everyone in fact, also values their own life more than the life of some random person they don't know. I'm guilty of that too. My life is worth more to me than other humans', never mind animals.
The truth shall set you free, eh? Said a crazy guy who, admittedly, had a couple of good teachings, in the first century AD. The truth sets no one free. Knowing the truth doesn't make anyone better, and it doesn't always help anyone. It's just nice. And it doesn't have to be expressed with the tone you express it with. You can deny it all you want, but clearly your tone is one of moral superiority. Maybe you don't mean it that way. Doesn't matter. That's how it's heard.
If you really find it that agonizing to live in the US because of the suffering that simple fact causes, there's an easy solution. Move to southern Canada and live like an Amish person. That's cause as near no suffering of animals or humans as makes no difference. If you're not willing to do that, then I take your claims in that regard as what it is: talk, nothing else. It's easy to talk a good game about feeling horrible that what you do causes X, Y, and Z. I could do it too. Doesn't make it so, though.Feb 6, 2012
- And do me a favor,& , and don't end your posts with whatever the fuck that was. Fuck your heaven, fuck your hallelujahs, and fuck your wish for me to have "peace". I don't need your Christian "We disagreed strongly and I think you're heartless and/or soulless but I wish you well" bullshit. Love the enemy but hate the sin? The most fucking bullshit doctrine, or at least one of the most bullshit doctrines, I've ever heard. You have a problem with me, fucking say it. I have no interest in your fucking lame-ass polite hypocrisy. If I ever get to the gates of your fucking heaven, before I get consigned to hell, I'll blow the fucking things up. Then stab that son of a bitch you worship ten thousand fucking times. Then go to hell willingly, because it has to be better than spending an eternity with fucking good fucking Christians. That'd be my own personal hell. Grow a fucking pair, hate me if you think I have no soul or heart, and leave off your polite blandishments for someone who gives a fuck. I'm not that guy.Feb 6, 2012
- Upon reflection, I've decided I shouldn't have posted angry. That would've meant less cuss words in my last post, if nothing else. That said, I stand by nearly all if what I said. Except for the part where I said "to grow a pair". I meant "to stop being cowardly" and the phrase I used was one with a sexist background that's uncalled for and unnecessary (and unintentional). That slight modification aside, though, I stand by what I said.Feb 6, 2012
- We should eat more (non pasturized) cheese. Also, its illegal to feed growth hormones, etc to cattle in Europe.Feb 10, 2012