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me
9:02 PM
it can get tedious


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:03 PM
http://www.un.org/en/events/youthday/


 
me
9:05 PM
I bought it today just for you, Terry


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:05 PM
just 4 mE?


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me
9:07 PM
yep.
Okay, mostly for you.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:08 PM
I had to read the book (paper) and then go back thru nowcomment


 
me
9:08 PM
My book still isn't here, so I have the Ch1 NowComment


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:11 PM
I'm ready...I think - not sure about audio


 
Michael S Weller
9:12 PM
What if James Beane is really a pseudonym for Rowan Atkinson???


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:12 PM
I can't hear hangout now so maybe hold up your hand whenyou want me to advance


 
Paul Allison
9:13 PM
next


 
me
9:14 PM
"Doing school"


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:14 PM
sorry i'm lost


 
Paul Allison
9:15 PM
you are fine.
trying to get throug the slides more quickly.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:17 PM
shall i move forward?


 
Paul Allison
9:17 PM
one sec. Michael jumped in


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:17 PM
 


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:17 PM
you are a treasure Karen, thanks


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:17 PM
i feel blindfolded  


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:18 PM
next
next
next
m]next
next
next


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:19 PM
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TERRY ELLIOTT
9:20 PM
next
next


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:20 PM
paul, did you click my screen so aud can see?


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:21 PM
next


 
me
9:21 PM
maybe start with boy bands as a scaffolded training ground, and then expand to real social issues


 
Michael S Weller
9:21 PM
I love that! "scaffolded training ground"


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:21 PM
come back karen


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TERRY ELLIOTT
9:22 PM
cme back Karen


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Michael S Weller
9:23 PM
teachers are much more egocentric in my experience lol


 
me
9:23 PM
that's for sure. But nothing compared to admins!


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:23 PM
You can tell it's national in-service week  


 
me
9:23 PM
it is?


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:24 PM
well, so to speak


 
me
9:24 PM
lol


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:26 PM
Does this fall into "engineering" a curriculum and is that consistent w/...curriculum integration? Not sure...just raising the question


 
me
9:27 PM
maybe
I think it may have gone differently if there had been other current events?
I also had mostly math/science students, so that lens appealed to them
And as it worked, they brought up most of the actual questions to explore.
And this does predate my concept of hybrid/blended/ integrated pedagogy


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:29 PM
the question is who is organizing the center, right?


 
me
9:29 PM
right
That makes sense


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:29 PM
YES


 
me
9:29 PM
Just trying to get clarity


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:30 PM
Does the teacher have a preconceived idea of what the end should be?
That's an issue in PBL or UDL too.
Is there a pre-determined "right answer"


 
me
9:30 PM
I'll certainly be doing more along this line this year since I know NOTHING about my students.
They will have to drive, really.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:32 PM
Was it hte rape conversation?


 
Dawn Reed
9:34 PM
it might have been, Karen. I remember feeling that way about that conversation too


 
me
9:34 PM
Well, we shoud have some agende just because we have life experience that they don't


 
Dawn Reed
9:34 PM
I think sometimes the questioning can help us redirect too - so we can help provide other perspectives too or help them see the audiences and purposes for their moves and discussion too


 
me
9:35 PM
right. There are many lenses to consider, and teens often don't consider that.
I think that may be our role as facilitators: asks the questions that reveal other lenses.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:38 PM
But what if when empowered, they are against social justice as we perceive it?


 
me
9:38 PM
They have to be able to define clearly what they intend


 
Dawn Reed
9:39 PM
Is there value in helping students explore what their view looks like and how they perceive it?


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:39 PM
How would you deal with students who passionately advocate fo say, the KKK?
And how does this mesh with Beane's ideas?


 
Dawn Reed
9:39 PM
I can totally see this happening in my community and I have done a lot of this work...however, the questioning starts from me, then them and helps us to see different sides. But you raise a great points - you have to be ok with these views.


 
me
9:39 PM
If it's about THEM, then they have to own it. And they should consider how their points of view are perceived by others.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:40 PM
How many people have said Trump is saying "what we all really think"?
This is their "lived experience"


 
me
9:40 PM
That may be where research comes in.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:41 PM
But then we're aiming for our end agenda, no?


 
me
9:41 PM
The history (of KKK or Donald Trump)


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:41 PM
I have found that most people who advocate from a position of "certainty" are not really interested in a conversation


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:41 PM
I'm thinking that Beane has an agenda...it's just a diff one


 
me
9:41 PM
Not necessarily. We are trying to hold them accountable to their own beliefs--eve if we disagree


 
Dawn Reed
9:41 PM
I have had the KKK conversation you note. And others where kids debate if racism exists. I approach as here is my experience, but let's all trouble my experiences and others too in terms of how we think about x idea


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:42 PM
Terry, but don't we have an equal certainty about Trump or hte KKK? (I do  


 
Dawn Reed
9:42 PM
Stephanie is pulling out argument too - can you pull in the evidence role to understand their perspective and ideas


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:42 PM
Folks who have that certainty also value intolerance.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:43 PM
But that's "our" perspective no?


 
Michael S Weller
9:43 PM
I think Ellsworth addresses some of Karen's questions about certainty in "Why Doesn't This Feel Empowering?"


 
me
9:43 PM
I was at the Red State Gathering (the one that Trump was dis-invited to) and got into an " animated" discussion with a woman who was angry that Trump wouldn't be there--no matter what his history with women is


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:43 PM
Note that I'm not saying we should apologize for this


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:43 PM
Yes, and you tell them that and you argue for it.


 
me
9:44 PM
There are those who are not interested in civil discourse.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:44 PM
I'm struggling w/how we as a society have these conversations without further polarization


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:44 PM
When I am uncomfortable I immediately explain that I am uncomfortable and why


 
me
9:44 PM
Perhaps we should make our "end" to be one that promotes civil discourse rather than one right answer.


 
Michael S Weller
9:44 PM
https://pedsub.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/ellsworth-1989.pdf
I don't really care if I polarize people who are opposed to social justice


 
me
9:45 PM
If we can drive teen conversation to logic and fact and respect and courtesy, perhaps we do a greater goood in the long run?


 
Michael S Weller
9:45 PM
And if my students don't perceive social justice as I do, then - at least in my context - I think I need to reconsider my concepts
Ellsworth expresses all this much better than I can though  


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:45 PM
But does that not support the notion that "fact" supports "our" viewpoint?


 
Michael S Weller
9:46 PM
Depends what you mean by fact


 
me
9:46 PM
I mean actual facts on both sides--there are always two sides (or more). Some are more valid than others, and some come down to "agree to disagree"


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:46 PM
exactly


 
me
9:47 PM
I don't want a classroom of mini-mes. I want respectful students who listen to other points of view, support their own, and work toward peace in difference.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:47 PM
moral imperatives


 
Michael S Weller
9:48 PM
Jonathan Jensen's chapter in CHANGE WARS on teaching in post-apartheid RSA
is helpful on this


 
me
9:49 PM
When I taught C.S. Lewis I had all kinds of varying opinions about a lot of issues. Some things were never resolved, but everyone left understanding other points of view better.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:49 PM
"List of rules" was an example given of how tchrs build community in my wokshop. Eek


 
me
9:49 PM
ugh


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:49 PM
there were other (better) ideas as well  
See, there I go with the "right answer"


 
me
9:50 PM
I think it's a good thing I'm in this group--politically. I think I come from a different point of view, yet we can find common ground
That's what I want to happen in my classrooms--both online and F2F


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:51 PM
Premise: this is the whole challenge with democracy
agree or disagree?
Maybe that's an interesting framing for a youth discussion


 
me
9:52 PM
sort of. Not "mob rule" democracy, but thoughtful conversation democracy, I think so


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:52 PM
"How do we..."


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:52 PM
Churchill's assessment; deomocracy sucks but compared to everything else...


 
me
9:52 PM
lol
I do love Churchill


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:52 PM
uh huh


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:53 PM
less sucky


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:53 PM
But seriously, our inability to navigate this is causing massive societal chasms


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:53 PM
yes, we create our own echo chambers and love it.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:54 PM
increasingly


 
me
9:54 PM
yes, it is.And as society becomes more polarized, it is harder and harder to demonstrate civil discourse
I mean, this next year SHOULD be a great time to show students democratic process, logical debate, and civil discourse


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:55 PM
I agree


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:55 PM
You have to have an embodied sense of what Beale is advocating


 
me
9:55 PM
Instead, we will likely see more mudslinging and accusations than actual conversation about issues.


 
Dawn Reed
9:55 PM
I wonder a lot about how challenging these moves can be in online spaces. To protect kids from being naive, to protect them if they haven't moved through ideas, etc. But it's also hard with the community piece too. I would say, I think we actually got to these places in YV Live at times
Stephanie - great point - talk versus mudslinging needs to be taught


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:56 PM
I'm coming back to Beane's statement that this should be issue-centered rather than interest-centered


 
me
9:56 PM
So, we need to teach our students how to converse like adults better than the current crop of adults does!


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
9:56 PM
yup


 
Michael S Weller
9:56 PM
Stephanie: well said!


 
me
9:56 PM
I think interests can be a gateway to issues.


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:56 PM
Dawn, is it harder in online spaces because of public audience?
(It was for me, I think.)


 
Dawn Reed
9:57 PM
Yes, Karen. I think so


 
me
9:57 PM
Lord, please don't let me hurt anybody.
my public school meditation


 
Karen Fasimpaur
9:57 PM
 


 
Dawn Reed
9:57 PM
Terry is describing this as a way of being - Beane does say that and I think that's so true - you have to learn to listen


 
me
9:58 PM
indeed. And we also need to teach our students to be listeners--instead of being busy thinking about the next comeback


 
Dawn Reed
10:00 PM
How does this practice at odds with our culture - is this the challenge?


 
me
10:01 PM
It is the challenge, I think. It requires a LOT of deep thinking, vulnerability, and selflessness to do
For both teachers and students.


 
Dawn Reed
10:01 PM
good point Stephanie


 
me
10:02 PM
We have a culture that likes Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, both of whom say what they think (without filters) and can be dogmatic in their stands.


 
Dawn Reed
10:02 PM
and confident teachers are necessary for this


 
me
10:02 PM
How can we teach students the art of thoughtful consideration when we idolize the extreme idealists?
Are we building systems or training citizens?


 
Dawn Reed
10:03 PM
Raising a question like this is a great point too Stephanie


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
10:03 PM
I just don't want to drive my students like livestock


 
me
10:03 PM
Exactly!


 
Karen Fasimpaur
10:04 PM
Right, Terry
Is trying to make boy bands a social topic driving things?


 
TERRY ELLIOTT
10:04 PM
Yes, if I come up with the idea


 
Karen Fasimpaur
10:05 PM
We seem to always have an "end" in mind


 
Michael S Weller
10:05 PM
Can someone copy & paste the chat? I don't have it all cause I was late
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My mother is an avid gardener; she would love this metaphor. 
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Psalm 139:13-16 "For You formed my inward parts; You knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidde...
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