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What is the difference between a Goldendoodle and Labradoodle?

Well the obvious is they have different parent breeds, but that is not why you have googled this issue. You are probably considering one or the other and want to know the various issues that might sway you one way or another. The answer is not so black and white. The basic issues are temperament, health and conformation.

Temperament

The first question is, are you considering a Labradoodle or an Australian Labradoodle. The difference here is basically a 2 breed mixed breed dog (Labrador Retriever and a Poodle) the Labradoodle or a 3 breed mixed breed dog (Labrador Retriever, Poodle and Cocker Spaniel) the Australian Labradoodle which originated in Australia. The main difference is generation based, (The Australian labradoodle has been mixed and matched for more than 3 generations on average) while that Labradoodle is typically only 1 or 2 generations into a mixed line. Let’s face it the Labrador, is a high energy dog for the first few years. They have little control of their bodies and love to love you (this may involve knocking you over). The earlier generations or Labradoodle (what is called an F1 and F1b) still on average have that higher energy. If you are considering a later generation Labradoodle (beyond the first two) or an Australian Labradoodle (which is typically beyond 3 generations) that laid back temperament is present (if the parents are laid back) at a younger age. Some people want that Labrador Retriever energy so do select the earlier generations. However, on average, families are seeking a dog that is willing to play but also relaxed and calm in the early years. So I will compare the Goldendoodle and Australian Labradoodle or later generation Labradoodle (beyond f1 and f1b) and the answer is there is little to no difference in temperament. Temperament is both genetic and environmental, so consider the parents and grandparents the examples that will lead to their offspring behavior. I do believe the mixing of breeds results in a better temperament for both. The inbreeding and line breeding, in my opinion, in many purebred lines, causes agitation and anxiety. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1950109/ Outcrossing (mixing breeds) reduces these problems, however, poor temperament parents will not produce, on average, good temperament puppies. To answer the question, as for temperament, the later generations of Goldendoodle and Australian Labradoodle or Labradoodle are extremely similar (assuming the parents are of good temperament).

Health

Mixing breeds does not make a healthier dog. Yes, if you mix two purebred lines (only once) any genetic issue that requires a pair of alleles and NOT present in BOTH lines will be negated in that first breeding. However, Poodles, Labrador retrievers and Golden Retrievers all produce, at times, the big concerning health issues. These are screen for by good breeders and include hip dysplasia, eye issues, heart issues and cancer. Of these big issues, cancer seems to be more common at younger ages in Goldendoodles than Labradoodles or Australian Labradoodles. Studies are being conducted to find out why https://caninelifetimehealth.org/about-the-golden-retriever-lifetime-study/ . If I were purchasing a puppy I would be looking at the parents genetic screening (these genetic tests are very costly but good breeders will conduct these tests without hesitation). To that end, ask your breeder about cancer (and all health issues) and a good breeder will have made huge efforts to not breed lines that have produced young dogs with cancer. To answer the question, health issues are similar except for higher cancer rates in Goldendoodle lines.

Conformation

Goldendoodles tend to be tall and narrow while Australian Labradoodles and later generation Labradoodles tend to be stockier. That is a result of the parent breed conformation. In both lines shedding and increasing allergies is present in the first generations and as less common as it is in poodles for the later generations (the parents and grandparents should be as low shedding and as allergy friendly as a poodle). Both Goldendoodles and Australian Labradoodles (due to cocker) have soft coats and the Labradoodle has a harsher textured coat. To answer the question, study the generation when considering either, and there is a slightly different look between the Goldendoodle (tall and narrow) and Australian Labradoodle (stockier). There is a coat texture difference between the Labradoodle (harsh texture) and Australian Labradoodle and Goldendoodle (both have softer fleece coats)

Please note, all this is very dependent on the breeder and the pedigree of your puppy. Look at the parent dogs and grandparent dogs, this is a mixed breed and there are wide variations in some lines and breeder results.

As always these are my opinions, www.labradoodle-breeder.com


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Do Labradoodles Shed? Good question.

Do not believe that all labradoodles or Australian Labradoodles are non shed dogs, some shed and some do not. This result all depends on the parents, basically genetics.

In addition, I need to define shedding, all dogs lose hair. Some have a fur coat and lose fur individually all day, more prior to hot weather. Fur grows to a set length (set by genetics) then drops out, then grows again to a set length and falls out, this is shedding. Some breeds have long fur and some short, this refers to the length it grows before falling out.

Other dogs have a hair (like human hair) coat, like poodles, and will occasionally scratch or pull out small clumps of hair leaving a dust bunny around the house about once or twice a week. These dogs will need grooming or their coat will grow and grow very long. These dogs are considered non-shedding (as much as a dog can be non-shedding).

If your family wants a non shed dog, specifically you want at least a third generation or later Labradoodle OR Australian Labradoodle. Either can have a Fleece or Wool Coat.

The details:

•Australian Labradoodle?

If your family wants a non shed dog, allergy friendly pet* an Australian Labradoodle with a fleece or wool coat is one of the BEST choices. If both parents AND grandparents of an Australian Labradoodle puppy do not shed your puppy should not. Selective breeding for the coat trait should result in a non shedding coat. It takes at least three generations to consistently produce non shedding results and even then a breeder can occasionally produce a slightly shedding dog due to recessive genetics. I would look for a breeder who only breeds Australian Multigenerational Labradoodles, I feel this produces the most consistent offspring to our standards. As for fleece or wool coat, it is NOT true that curl has anything to do with shedding, these are different genetics, it is up to you as to what coat (wool or fleece) you like.

•Labradoodle Third Generation or higher (Second Generation: F1B to Second Generation: F1B or Poodle...)?

If your family wants a non shed dog, allergy friendly pet* both parents need to also be allergy friendly and non shedding, AND both sets of grandparents as well, for this to be the BEST choice. If you are looking at a third or fourth generation Labradoodle, and both parents and grandparents of a Labradoodle puppy do not shed your puppy should not. Selective breeding for the coat trait should result in a non shedding coat. It takes at least three generations to consistently produce non shedding results and even then breeder can occasionally find a slightly shedding dog due to recessive genetics.

f1b Labradoodle?

•Labradoodle Second Generation (F1B), First Generation Labradoodle bred to Poodle? If your family wants a non shed dog a Second Generation Labradoodle of about 75% poodle with a fleece or wool coat is a better choice than a F1 but NO sure bet. Make sure you are not purchasing a dog that is sometimes called a Second Generation (a first generation bred to a first generation). Remember, the odds that a F1B will not shed or be allergy friendly* is still only about 50% depending on the first generation Labradoodle and the Poodle coats. Some are super curly like a poodle and some are as flat coated and shed as much as a Labrador. This is due to short coat being a dominant gene.

•Labradoodle First Generation (Lab bred to Poodle)?

Within the Labradoodle First Generation population there are primarily two different coat textures, flat coated which has a wiry feel and fleece coated with a harsh feel. f1 Labradoodle, labradoodle shed.

Studies are being conducted to identify if texture in the coat is an indication of adult coat shedding and/or a predictor of causing an increase in allergies for humans. There does not seem to be a connection between Labradoodle First Generation coat wave and shedding, so identifying which puppy will and will not shed as an adult is an educated guess at best for breeders. Usually a dog will shed its coat once it reaches a length predetermined by genetics. This is the reason we have long coated but still shedding dogs.

Genetics predetermine what length the coat will grow and then shed. Poodles are considered non shedding as their coat will grow to the floor and still not fall out seasonally. For example a Puli is considered a non shedding dog as its coat is dread locked, grows to the floor then clipped.

First Generation Labradoodles are wonderful dogs but NOT a good choice for the family that does NOT want a shedding dog. Many, at least 75% of, first generation Labradoodles do shed and most increase allergy symptoms to some degree, some more than others. We would never recommend a F1 Labradoodle for a family needing a non shedding dog or with allergies to dogs. However, if you have a shedding labradoodle your best bet is to keep the dogs coat shaved short and feeding them the best of foods to reduce shedding as much as possible.

See www.labradoodle-breeder.com for more details and information. Thank you, Rainmaker Ranch Labradoodles

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Should I get a Boy or Girl Labradoodle?

In each litter there are various personalities present. A good breeder will work with the puppies 0-8 weeks to identify each individual personality, foster development and place the puppy with the right family. They should follow a guide dog assessment test to follow the puppies personalities, build confidence where needed and work with them.

Families are always asking about an Alpha (that they want one or don't want one). If the breeder is working with the puppies daily and mom is involved there is rarely an alpha in this breed. Well, to be honest, each hour there is one puppy that might think it is control of the others, but shortly that one is knocked down by another and control shifts throughout the entire litter constantly through out the day.

Some puppies like to be in control more than others, if that is the case, we recommend that puppy does not go to a house with another adult dog or cat that is an alpha in the house. Alpha's typically develop once home as families do not take control as much as they may need. Two dominant personalities (just as humans) typically "work" it out, but it is a major stress on the people in the family for a week or so.

So, is the dominant puppy typically a male or female? This is always breed specific and in this breed the more dominant personalities tend to be the girls.

Gender Neutral

I find gender to be almost neutral. Of course, this assumes the dogs are spayed or neutered at an early age (8 to 24 weeks). We do not sell breeding dogs, only spay/neutered pets. If I had to make a general statement I would say neutered Australian Labradoodles boys are a bit more easy going natured and up for anything then the spayed females who are, although just as wonderful, a bit more specific in their nature.

Male Labradoodle / Australian Labradoodle

An early neutered male is as loving, cuddly and kind as any outgoing "go with the flow" dog. If the male is not neutered early and its testicles drop, it typically becomes a dog that will have more of a mind of its own. This instinct tends to overpower the family member calling the dog to come; it will come but hesitates or plays that come and get me game. We recommend strongly that males be neutered early, as early as 8 to 16 weeks. Neutering removes the possibility of the male ever entering its time of confrontation, asserting its manliness and results it a great, loving, listening dog. The neutered male dog also seems to have less separation anxiety than a female and be more open to new experiences. An early neutered, trained male is a fantastic labradoodle, 100% wonderful open and ready for anything!

Two Males?

Two neutered males in the same household (in this breed) will typically get along famously. We highly recommend two males IF you are looking to add a second Labradoodle to your home.

Female Labradoodle / Australian Labradoodle

Most females are great right off. However, some females tend to be the opposite of the alpha...shy. We again identify this trait and work on socializing and building confidence as much as possible with positive new experiences. However, this dog can sometimes become the dog that pees when a new experience occurs, excited urination. This requires some work for the family and tends to have the family do the opposite than what is required, they keep the dog away from new experiences than just bite the bullet and taking them everywhere for a safe fun new experience. A trained female that has had many new safe experiences is a fantastic labradoodle, 100% wonderful open and ready for anything!

Two Females?

Two spayed females in the same household (in this breed) will not do as well as two males or a male and female. We highly recommend two males or a male and female IF you are looking to add a second Labradoodle to your home. Now this does NOT mean that two females will be an issue, just that it might be more difficult. You as the leader will have to make sure that during the first few months the girls know that dominant behavior (stealing toys, hording food) is NOT acceptable in the home. You can do it and help two girls get along exceptionally, just put in the effort. A girl in this breed tends to enjoy being the one on top of the pecking order, let them know, you are the leader.

So, my advice, choose a dog gender that suits your family profile, talk to the breeder as to other pets you have in the house, family activities, what training you will do, and what experience you want the dog to participate.

I would make a different recommendation to the retired owner that wants a pet to hang out in the house, versus the agility training, outgoing boating dog. If the gender matches the traits available in the litter great, if it does not have an open mind.

Make the decision by asking the breeder what puppies in the litter they recommend for your family needs and selecting from those, not the entire litter. If three puppies suit the bill then look at gender preference, color and physical traits. To me, personality fit should be the number one priority.

Thank you, Rainmaker Ranch Labradoodles www.labradoodle-breeder.com is full of information on Labradoodle Dogs and Puppies
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What is the difference between an F1, F1b and Multigen Labradoodle or Australian Labradoodle?

Understanding the difference between a Labradoodle (Lab and Poodle only) and Australian Labradoodle (Lab, Poodle and Cocker-- American or English) can be confusing enough but add in the generations needed to create this mixed breed and well, you want to turn off your computer and take a nap. Here are the basics.

*First Generation Labradoodle (F1):

50% poodle, 50% lab, mild to light shedding, sometimes but rarely no shedding. First Generation Labradoodles have wispy coats long 5" or short 2" in length, wiry or harsher fleece in texture, while basically straight in wave. Typically, First generation Labradoodles have the great labradoodle intelligence with higher "lab like" energy and drive. Shedding amount is difficult to determine at a young age. Only experience breeders with double champion quality coated poodles can maintain quality coat results, and this is rare. First Generation looks more like "Benji" the movie dog. First generation Labradoodles are of excellent temperament and health if the parents are of the same quality. A great choice for the family who doesn't mind some shedding, high energy, the First generation Labradoodle look and have no dog related allergies.

**Second Generation Labradoodle (F1b):

(First Generation bred to another poodle, some refer to this as F1B labradoodle) about 75% poodle 25% lab, may be true to the labradoodle standard in physical appearance, more consistently non-shedding (about 80%). The texture ranges from fleece to wool and the wave ranges from straight to wavy. Second Generation Labradoodles typically have the great Labradoodle temperament, intelligence, and laid back nature, if the parents are of equal quality. Some can be a good choice for families looking for a non-shedding dog and or have allergies to the hair, wiry coat and dander of many dogs, remember only about 80% are non shedding and allergy friendly. Top breeders of Second Generation Labradoodles can select First generation labradoodles and Poodles that will produce consistent offspring and the desired fleece coat. Although sometimes, not desired, a second generation can have a hair coat; these must be breed to a wool coated multigen or again to a poodle.

***Third Generation or higher Labradoodle (Multigen):

(Second gen to second gen or second gen to poodle) about 75%-85% poodle 15%-25% lab, may be true to the labradoodle standard in physical appearance, consistently non-shedding. The texture ranges from fleece to wool and the wave ranges from wavy to curly. It is important to maintain the wider body type and shorter muzzle length. As breeders at this stage are typically selecting the best second generation to breed to other second generation the offspring are more consistent. The fleece coat is nice but still not as silky as the fleece coat of the Australian Labradoodle.

****Australian Labradoodle:

Should be originally either Second Generation Labradoodle or higher generation bred to an Australian Labradoodle OR Australian Labradoodle to Australian Labradoodle through generations, sometimes called Multigen or Multigenerational OR somehow a mixture of Poodle, Cocker Spaniel (American or English), and Labrador Retriever. Coat texture is either silky fleece (preferred) or soft spiraling wool and sometimes you can get variations on the wave from straight to curly. The goal is to achieve the true Australian Labradoodle look, temperament, coat and conformation. True to the Australian Labradoodle standard in physical appearance, and pedigree, consistently non-shedding fleece sheepdog like coat, dander free. Great Australian Labradoodle temperament, intelligence, and laid back nature, if the parents are of equal quality. Also best choice for families looking for a non-shedding dog and or have allergies to the hair wiry coat and dander of most dogs.

For more details on Labradoodle Types, Coats and the Mixed Breed in general visit www.labradoodle-breeder.com Thank you, Krista

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Crate training or confining your puppy?

Crate training (or confining to a small space) can be a fast technique to potty train your puppy OR it can be the worst thing you can do to your dog.
I recommend crate training all the time. I find crate training a valuable tool ONLY when used correctly. I find crate training when used incorrectly causes anxiety and compounds many behavioral problems.

Let’s get this right out there, the ONLY time your dog should be closed in a crate is at night, while EVERYONE is asleep and when EVERYONE is gone from the house. This means if ANYONE is up (except to go potty themselves) the dog should be out of the crate with them. IF someone watches late night TV, the dog is watching late night TV, out of the crate. If someone gets up early to go to work, the dog gets up early, if they then leave and EVERYONE else is asleep the dog can go back in the crate until someone wakes up. If anyone comes home, the first thing they do is let the dog out and leave them out in the house after going potty. You do NOT come home with groceries, come in, put the groceries away, then let the dog out. You do NOT have guests over and the dog is in the crate. You do NOT put the dog in the crate because your child is doing homework. You do NOT put the dog in the crate while you are in the shower. IF everyone is not on board with this plan, do not get a dog. A dog is everyone’s responsibility, not one person’s responsibility, every ones.

What is a crate used for?

The crate is used to force the dog to hold “it” in when everyone is asleep or are not at home. The crate can be left open to allow the dog to sleep in the crate, by their own choice, but in this case the door is NOT closed.

Why do you have a dog if you are not going to train a dog?

When ANYONE is home or awake, their 2 jobs are to keep the untrained dog close and notice signals the dog needs to go potty (thus letting them out and back in) and notice if they are chewing or getting into something that could hurt them. I know you don’t want them to chew the leg of your chair, but really this is not good for them either. There are toys that are acceptable chew toys, the job of the person with the dog is to identify what they are doing wrong, tell them no, and redirect them to what is right and praise them. This is anyone who is home or awake. Again, if someone does not want this job, no dog should be brought into the home. You are training the dog to notice that if you are busy, putting groceries away, helping the kids, taking a shower, their choice is to lay down in the room you are in with them and play with a toy, watch you, or sleep. This self-direction is what you eventually hope for in a trained dog.

Here is an example. A parent wakes up early to go jog. They get the dog out of the crate, let them go potty, take them into the closet while they get dressed to run (eventually they might take the dog on the run). They then make sure there are toys in the crate, puts the dog back (since everyone else is asleep) in the crate and goes for their run. They get back and let the dog out of the crate, let them outside to potty again, take them into the bathroom, puts a toy on the floor in the bathroom and take a shower while the dog is in the bathroom with them. They get ready for work and grab breakfast all the while the dog in tow, in whatever room they are in. Before they go out the door they put the dog in the crate and make sure, again, toys are in the crate. The crate should ALWAYS have at least one chew toy and one loved play toy. An hour later, a teen gets up to get ready for school, same plan as the parent, dog out to potty, dog in tow all morning, right with them. Remember if anyone is up, the dog is up and with them. IF the teen is not responsible, then a parent must get up also. IF the parent does not want to get up, either don’t get a dog or teach the teen responsibility. Do you notice a pattern here?

Once the dog is potty trained and safe in the general environment they can have more roam space (for example they might not have to come in the closet with you). The plan is to teach the dog what is acceptable and unacceptable in their down time. You want a dog to notice you are not having play time, this is “we are busy time”, so just follow us around or find a toy to play with on your own. Eventually, at night the dog can sleep on the floor or a bed. Eventually, you can leave for short periods, then longer periods leaving the dog in a bedroom, utility room or family room and eventually free roam. This is how you create a relaxed, calm dog.

On the flip side, IF you keep them in the crate while you are up or home, they are just waiting to get out and be with you, they wait and wait and get more and more excited and eventually explode out the crate door once opened. Note, this same advice goes to fencing off an area in the house, unless you are in that area with them, you must be asleep or out of the house. The dog is with you all the time until trained. Putting a dog in an enclosure while you are home, any size enclosure, only builds anxiety. www.labradoodle-breeeder.com includes other training advice. I would also recommend reading the Puppy Primer by Patricia B. McConnell.

Thank you, Rainmaker Ranch Labradoodles



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