If it was so expected, it would have been pounded by all and sundry and shortened into the new fave ... because from the gist of your comments, everyone knows what you know and there was nothing special about the result we achieved. No, it didn't happen like that, did it? We picked it up where very few others obviously did and we got it in at over $20. Of course, this is just one of many thousands of examples over the past decade. On another note, I don't know who owns what and as a business, we actually don't care. They may as well be cockroaches running up a wall. Furthermore, if Lloyd Williams is one of the biggest punters around, he must've felt fairly confident and his money appeared as such. That is the very basis for what we do. More often than not though, we are doing unknown races with unknown horses and unknown trainers and the methodology still works in the exact same way. So in this one instance where you say 'of course his horses are going to move in the market', obviously very few followed it regardless and we were able to make good profit from it without knowing one single thing about the horse or the trainer. All the best.