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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-real-navy-yard-scandal/2013/09/19/ddfde26a-2162-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html?tid=pm_pop

Me and Charles are on the same page, maybe.  It is certainly a big part of the mass shooting problem that the mentally ill are not adequately treated.  But we long ago closed to institutions to treat or house the mentally ill.  I would say this is primarily a fact that we don't have adequate healthcare and the government got out of institutional care.  Granted those earlier institutions were not the epitome of care.  

I said maybe Charles and I are on the same page because he wants to focus on the "real scandal," the lack of medical care for the mentally ill.  But as I heard recently, mental illness, to some degree or some duration, is so prevalent it is normal.  If mental illness were a fire (consider another post on this site) why focus only on the fire?  Other logical steps are to secure the gas tanks and require sprinklers - so control the guns which the mentally ill can turn to so readily.
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Rachel Madow has a great clip on the rising frequency of mass murders in the US.
And look at the old newspaper photo in the first 5-10 seconds showing, I assume, a scene from the first mass murder of a dozen or more people in 1949.  Look at the SWAT team and their gear.  It helps you understand the rapid and lethal pace of gun technology.
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+Matthew Reilly have you unearthed any new mass shootings?  Please keep digging.  In some ways I wouldn't be surprised if you turned up something - it's a big world out there.  

However, it occurred to me that it is likely increasingly rare as you go back in time to kill a dozen or more people in one event.  Why? Consider that assault type guns are relatively recent addition to the second amendment idiocy.  With a simple handgun one might easily kill less than 6 people and so that level of mass murder has probably been going on for a century or more.

But, if machine guns had been legal back in the day, I'd bet you could dig up a whole grave yard mass shooting events.

Apparently there was a point in our legislative history when we realized it would be unreasonable to allow the second amendment uber patriots the right to use machine guns.  I'm not sure why that sort of logic can't be applied to today's rapid fire weapons.
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http://nomorenames.org/johncantinwatchandshare/
John Cantin showed remarkable calm in this clip.  I couldn't have done what he did.
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The second he touched the officer he should have been cuffed and stuffed. Even if you think you are within your legal rights NEVER lay your hands on a police officer.

What th9se officers did was show a great deal of restraint.

And there are nuts on both sides of this issue, comparing him to anyother gun owner is like lumping everyone in the occupy movement with that idiotic "noodles" kid from the Wisconsin protests.
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These are not my words, but they illustrate the contorted thinking that goes on in a lot of politics.  These are a reader's comments to an article in the nyt about Senator Chris Murphy.  Linda in Oklahoma (of all places!) makes an illuminating contrast between republican arguments about abortion and gun rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/opinion/sunday/dowd-chris-murphys-gun-control-crucible.html?hp&_r=0

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I've said it before in the comments but it bears repeating. Make buying a gun as difficult as getting an abortion. When a person goes to buy a gun, make him wait 48 hours. During that 48 hours discuss the trauma and guilt he'll feel if he kills or wounds a person. Show him ultrasounds of gunshot wounds. Have a doctor explain to him what the insides of a person who has been shot looks like. Explain that he is likely to suffer post traumatic stress after shooting someone. After reading the editorial in the NYT about Wichita, Kansas, maybe there should be only one gun dealer per state instead of one in every Walmart.
The right to own guns and the right to have an abortion are protected by federal law. Why is one so easy to get and the other so hard?
April 13, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.You recommended this 637
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I find it interesting that there is so much discussion on how the DC shooter was able to maintain his security clearance.  Shouldn't the discussion be more balanced: how was that guy able to buy a gun, and how did he maintain his security clearance.  
But no one is asking about how he was able to buy a gun because, sadly, we all know those regulations are a joke.
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The cost of widespread gun ownership in America.  A delusional man pretends to shoot at the police in Times Square.  The police fire back and the bullets either directly or indirectly hit two pedestrians.  
You can argue the police acted improperly and you could answer "more training."  You could argue they are incompetent answer we must train some new cops.  You could argue they are just human and things went badly.  In the end as a society we payed with lost time, money and tranquility. 



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/nyregion/firing-at-man-in-times-square-police-wound-two-bystanders.html?hp&_r=0
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I'm curious to understand better how +Steve Dewitz  or +Dave G see the Boston Marathon case in terms of gun rights.  I imagine one point of view from them is that if we were all armed we could have stopped the tragedy sooner - maybe even right after the bombs went off at the finishing line?
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Sorry, I don't see the correlation here. As +Dave G mentioned, if the events in Boston where an active and ongoing attack  where the Criminals where actively attacking in the open ie: Firearms, knives or other hand type weapons vehicle or something similar then armed citizens very well could have helped end the tragedy along with the hundreds if not thousands of armed police/security. If the attack was also of this nature, knowing there was armed citizens in conjunction with security/police an attack might not have happened in the first place. By not having this scenario it guarantees the Criminals one less thing to think about. Doesn't mean they wouldn't, but it's one less hurdle. 

This obviously wasn't the case being explosives hidden in plain sight were used while the Criminals where hiding in plain sight. 

On another note I don't believe the use of "Martial law" tactics with the "Shelter in place" order was constitutional. That set a very serious precedence. Correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't the last of the two Criminals found by a citizen only after the Shelter in place order was lifted? Believe that there was also an "No driving" order in effect in Watertown during the search. 

It's understood the  the Criminals who executed the act needed to be found, but at the cost of liberty and freedom of movement, life?! Safer inside sure but that should have been common sense. Not an order from Government. 


  Who are these police officers protecting? I bet as a citizen, you'd be stopped and searched. Stopped with the same firepower most of you believe doesn't belong in the hands of law abiding citizens. 
http://www.ctpost.com/news/us/article/Boston-suburbs-on-lockdown-amid-terror-search-4446981.php#photo-4500247


  If the "Shelter in place " order was merely a request, why is this man being stopped/searched? Because he has a backpack? Answer me this, had a the bag potentially contained a bomb; would looking directly inside it be the smartest move? Because two Criminals set in motion a heinous act are we all guilty until we prove our innocence?! Check the 4th amendment, then look back to this photo. 
http://www.ctpost.com/news/us/article/Boston-suburbs-on-lockdown-amid-terror-search-4446981.php#photo-4496043


   We've all seen the picture of an officer holding milk allegedly intended for a family with small children. While if true, it would be shining example of police work and caring. However, this photo could be a father driving in an attempt to get necessary items for his family. There couldn't be enough officers to deliver essential items during a "Lock down" that didn't have an expiration when started. 
http://www.ctpost.com/news/us/article/Boston-suburbs-on-lockdown-amid-terror-search-4446981.php#photo-4496937


The argument can be made that during times of terror attacks we should do everything in our power to prevent, assist and capture the Criminals who are at large. A city was shut down, under the order of Government officials. People had homes/vehicles/belongings searched in entire neighborhoods. In the end, a citizen found the last suspect not the police.  

Society lost a day, not just because of terrorist acts. But also due in part to the reaction and actions of government. Utilizing weapons you, and others want out of our hands. Violating rights across the board. 

My question for you +Bruce MacDonald, how would a Gun Control measure you seek have prevented or altered the events of that day?  
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Another entirely tragic and senseless shooting here in CT.  Apparently the grandmother was mentally ill but had been in remission.  This investigation is entirely within the hands of the local police and there is no understanding yet of how the grandmother had access to any weapons.  
There are just too many guns around and too easily accessed.
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This gun law sounds to be effective, though it didn't stop the Stonington tragedy.

"Connecticut also passed a law in 1999 that allows authorities to seize weapons from anyone if they have probable cause to believe the person poses a threat to themselves or others. That law was passed in response to the killing of four people at state lottery headquarters by an employee with a history of mental illness.

The law has been used more than 600 times, and with increased frequency since the massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, Lawlor said.

"If you see something, you should say something to law enforcement, teachers or others in authority. And they, in turn, need to know this option is out there," Lawlor said."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GRANDMOTHER_CHILDREN_DEATHS_CTOL-?SITE=WSHUFM&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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I just made a modest donation to http://action.americansforresponsiblesolutions.org/tell-congress 
I can't keep up with all the great postings from you all, including +Nestor Melo +Rakesh Joshi +Neeraj Rai and +Robert Campbell, so I'm still part of the effort to bring guns under control.
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The India I grew up in had even PG movies marked "for Adults" ;-)
The ones I was refereing to were all hollywood - Fatal attraction,last of mohicans, angel heart... Now you might surprise me by saying that's baby stuff (and covered by 3rd amendment :-) ) and kids today watch much more voilent stuff. In that case my views above would have to ignored.

My passion is selfish and comes from having a 5 year old who's going to school in this country.

Ha! they started a petition to deport Morgan Piers and he toned down his attack, though still has passion. the petition got 3K votes which is encouraging - not may nuts out there.

A video posted on the other group :
Chuck Woolery on Assault Weapons
has Chuck posing  with gun very much like Bin Laden used to do.
Not sure if he or the person who posted the video realised that.
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