When he [Jesus] told me that I had to come back to the world and I was trying to convince him not to send me back…, I asked him what would I do if I came back… Before he had a chance to answer, I said you know I am an artist and I would like to build a shrine for you… I would make this shrine so big and beautiful and bizarre that people would come from all over the world out of curiosity to see what it was about. And what they would find was it would be about you. And that would make them think about you. That’s what I would like to do if I came back.
He said, I would rather you didn’t do that.
And I said, WHAT?!! People have been building shrines to you forever. There are lots of shrines. Why can’t I build a shrine? I would like to build a shrine.
He said you spent so much of your life hiding out in the studio, avoiding people, I would prefer it if you didn’t avoid people by building this big shrine… I don’t really care about shrines. People like to build shrines. I understand that. It makes them feel good. It does absolutely nothing for me or for God. We don’t have any use for them whatsoever. If that’s what amuses you, I guess that’s what you gotta do. But don’t do it for me. Don’t deceive yourself into thinking it’s something I want or need, because I don’t.
I’m like, OK, you shot down my idea, what’s you’re idea of what would I do?
And he said, love the person that you’re with.
And I said, OK, great, I’ll do that. No problem. What do you want me to do?
He said, I just told you what I want you to do: love the person that you’re with.
And I said, Yeah, but after I do that, what do you really want me to do?
No, that is what I want you to do: love the person that you’re with.
I said well, that’s simple enough, that’s easy, I can do that.
And he said, oh really. Well, that’s what I want you to do. That’s enough.
And I said, how is it enough?
He said, if you do that, you’ll change the world.
And I said, oh, you want me to change the world?!
Exactly, that’s why put you in the world in the first place: to change the world.
Well you know there’s been a lot of people that have tried to change the world and they usually turn out really pretty badly. I can think of examples like Adolph Hitler, and Joseph Stalin, and Mao Tse-tung. All of them wanted to change the world and they made it worse. If I go back and try and change the world, why isn’t it possible that I could a lot of terrible mistakes and make the world a worse place?
The way that I want you to change the world is by loving the person you are with.
Wait a minute, that’s a contradiction. You want me to change the world but you just want me to love the person I’m with?
Yes, that’s the plan; that’s The Big Plan… If you love the person that you’re with, then they will go out and love the person that they’re with, and they will go out and love the person they’re with and it will be like a chain reaction and love will conquer the world and everyone will love one another. That’s God’s Big Plan.
It’s not going to work.
Why won’t it work?
I love the person I’m with. They walk across the street and get run over by a truck. Everyone gets angry and upset.
Yeah, that happens. But it’s really God’s plan and nothing is going to stop it. It’s going to happen.
Even if you had a million people, I don’t think it’s going to happen.
There’s more than a million people in the plan…
Well, from what I know of the world, you don’t have enough.
Actually, we have all the angels in the plan. There’s a lot of them. There are more angels than there are people in the world… There are millions of people. There are all the angels. There’s God. It’s inevitable. The plan is going to happen.
If that’s your plan, I’ll do it, but I just don’t really see much hope for it.
[And Jesus said], you don’t know enough to see how it’s going to happen.
So, my solution to everything is to love one another. And when I read the Bible and found out that that was written in the Bible as Jesus’ commandment: this is my commandment, that you love one another… that’s the program. I have tried to be part of that program… So, I personally have no big plan other than to be loving.
The only fly in the ointment was that I thought it was going to be easy, and it turns out to be the hardest thing I have ever done. It sounds so simple, but it’s really difficult. It’s easy for me to love my mother because she was a really nice woman and she was a very loving woman. It’s not hard to love someone who is really good and really loving. But what do you do with someone who is difficult, or really nasty? Those are hard people to love.
And what does it mean to love someone? Sometimes to love someone means you need to incarcerate them. And that’s not a lot of fun. Sometimes loving someone means you have to put as much distance between them and you as possible and tell them to never call you. And that’s not a lot of fun. Loving someone sounds so simple but it is very difficult…