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Gotcha

Do you have a single 'Gotcha' argument that you like to use of atheists\theists? You know the sort of thing, Pascal's Wager, Eric the God Eating Penguin, morality comes from the gods, etc.

What is it? What do you think is wrong with it?
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+Bacon Pope Shane it's amazing isn't it?...that theists ,who's primary source for their entire worldview,the Bible,is seemingly unresearched by the vast majority of those same theists.
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Which, in your opinion, is the best religion in the world today? Which is the worst religion?

Why? What makes these religions good or bad in your opinion?
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+Ishmael Bzdyl​​ I am saying that people should not be demonized but rather understood. It is a good exercise to find out as much as one can of a person and then try to look at things through their mind's eye.

Many just look at the Catholics of today and assume that they were always the same type of people. That it was some monolithic structure unchanged through the centuries.This is not true of anything, really everything is in flux like a river. Balance stable systems is really just a pipe dream.

But really as far as anyone in leadership they have their motives that got them there. And the leaders have the greatest challenges and usually have the most information available. If their system is failing they realize that if it fails they will reap this failure especially back in those days. Today they will run off somewhere to hide.

In any case, Pope Sixtus had run up through the ranks of priesthood that was common then as it is now. In the fourteen hundreds the church had been losing political power but the Pope knew the need of the rule of law which is needed to hold the threads of society together. The Pope would also know of the Magna Carta and that if rulers were not perceived as just they could lose authority quickly and he was a realist trying to hold authority and the Church Empire together especially because it was losing power. Besides that as man trying to represent a just God it was upsetting for him to hear of the injustice occurring, just as it is to us because we have a conscious. The man was not heartless just because he was Pope.
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Should atheism be the default position?

In the absence of evidence for the existence of gods, atheism is the only rational position about the matter. Furthermore there is no evidence for the existence of gods and thus no argument needs to be deployed in favour of atheism.

Do you see any weaknesses in this position? What arguments would you use against it?
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+Charles Steptoe I will accept a win if you don't answer my questions.
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If a god created the world and everything in it as part of some perfect plan then why is there suffering in the world? Not just suffering that leads to some lesson that improves us in some way but needless, cruel, monstrous suffering?

Why do that?
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Huh.. I am, not as long winded a Stephen..

There is science and there is nonsense.. and of course there are cum garglers who like the nonsense bit..
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Do you believe that you are treated differently on the basis of your religious opinions? If so, how?

Do you treat others differently when you discover they are a theist/atheist? Why? Does the actual religion they follow make a difference?
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Not really. But then outside of this group, the religious people I deal with don't have their heads up their ass.

Nope. Mainly because I don't deal with asshats and I treat them based on their behavior.

Nah. I've dealt with enough religions and religious to know not all Muslims are terrorists who want me dead, not all Christians are dicks who think they know everything, not all pagans are crystal worshiping dips, etc.
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What is the difference between knowledge and belief?

With regards to belief in a god where do we draw the line between belief and knowledge?
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I think belief is the predecessor of knowledge. Personal experience is what makes one become the other. (aka I believe there is water on the table and I only know there is water when I drink it/touch it/experience it)
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As some of you may have seen +AntiAtheism, troll account of SaSa or one of the other nutters, has been banned from Theist vs Atheist Debate. It's lovely of him to advertise our community in such a positive way by announcing his departure.

Join us, we don't have +AntiAtheism as a member. ;)
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Who's gonna ban him? No one seems to be moderating this community
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It’s ironic, in a way. The firm discipline that these parents undoubtedly believed would ensure good behavior actually led their children to become violent and hateful – both to others and to themselves. “In many cases these are people who are at war with themselves and they are turning this internal conflict outward,” added study co-author Richard Ryan. “We laugh at or make fun of such blatant hypocrisy, but in a real way, these people may often themselves be victims of repression and experience exaggerated feelings of threat. Homophobia is not a laughing matter. It can sometimes have tragic consequences.”
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+Jason Horton Yes he was indeed. He loved all of his disciples but single out the disciple John as the one he had a special love for.
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A question for theists: do(es) the god(s) you believe in have a sense of humour? Can they take a joke? Are they inclined to make them too? Are they self deprecating it do they target others?

Loki, for example, while not a god as such has several myths surrounding him where he tricks someone or his tricks backfire on him. Yahweh seems devoid of any kind of humour. 
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I am going to address this better.

"+Kathy P That's not why he's a god..."

Yes. It is.

"he's called a god due to the fact he can shape-shift"

That is not why he's called a god.

"and cause discord"

That's not why he's called a god.

"among other mythological gods."

My gods are precisely as mythological as yours is.

"In a sense they call him a god because of these abilities."

Incorrect. I stated why he's considered a god.

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A question for theists: do(es) the god(s) you believe in have a sense of humour? Can they take a joke? Are they inclined to make them too? Are they self deprecating it do they target others?

Loki, for example, while not a god as such has several myths surrounding him where he tricks someone or his tricks backfire on him. Yahweh seems devoid of any kind of humour. 
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+Munawar Hussain claimed: "HE is the only Sustainer of the universe,"

Which is unsupported by Islam and by your god.

MH claims: " no one can irritate HIM or harm HIM"

Yet, your god or rather the followers of your religion, punish shirk and blasphemy, as if "knowing" that he can be duplicated, irritated or harmed.

MH shows his god is needy: "But HE has made "to love" compulsory for HIMSELF"

Which means your god is dysfunctional, Munawar. Command love doesn't give him love. All that's done is lip service, with a few Muslims that have learned how to switch on the feeling of being loved. being a "exception".

MH: "What do you expect HIM..."

Considering that he's known to talk to Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, various prophets, Jesus, Paul, Muhammad, the relatively simply task for talking to humans at once, like he supposedly already did with Adam and Eve should be trivial.

MH asserts: "HE clearly says..."

No, that's just the word of Muhammad, unsupported by the words of other prophets. Oh and the exception is simply nasty.
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Naive Realism

We are intelligent, reasonable people, right?

People who are open minded and fair ought to agree with a reasonable opinion.

Any opinions we intelligent, reasonable people hold must be reasonable or we wouldn't hold them.

Therefore if we can get our opponents to sit down and listen to us so we can explain how things really are, they will agree with us.

If they don't it must be because they are biased.

Is there anyone here who does not think that their religious opinions are reasonable? Or that they are fair and open minded?

So why the disagreement?
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+Jason Horton Nooooooooooooo!!!! I thought I had done good.....😥
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