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Lojban meetup.

Saturday, May 11, 2013
1:00 PM

Bourbon Coffee
43 West 14th Street, New York, NY
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Hi,

I don't speak lojban, but I do have an interest in it. Specifically, I have an interest in the parsing of the grammar into what computer programmers call an AST (Abstract Syntax Tree). I'd like to call the attention of the community to the Open Source programming project #Marpa , which provides a working, proven declarative EBNF parser (capable of parsing languages up to and including the complexity of ISO SQL, at least) that I suspect will be able to handle the BNF grammar of lojban (which I understand had been abandoned due to the inability of yacc/lex to parse it usefully). Comment or get in touch if you'd like to collaborate on a project to prove or disprove this hypothesis.
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I'd defininetly be interested in this project, or any project that would let me parse lojban
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Somebody asked a good question on the Lojban mailing list and our very own la tsani gave a brilliant response that we'd like to share with everybody. It's about class types:

Martin W asks:
I was attempting to phrase "I have decided to learn Lojban". I get "I have decided" as: "puku mi jdice" for the first part. I have as the process of becoming skilled at lojban: "lo pu'u mi certu la lojban".

Can I use this in x2 of jdice? It seems like a decision should be in there opposed to the abstract concept "the processing of becoming skilled at Lojban". Or does using it in x2 of jdice make the process the thing I have decided to embark on?

tsani replies:

{pu'u}, along with {nu}'s other "disciples" like {zu'o}, are a subclass of {nu}. If using {nu} seems weird, then using any of the more specific ones like {pu'u} or {zu'o} is also weird. 

jdice's x2 wants a {du'u} (or something that refers to one). 

For starters, {lo du'u mi certu la lojban} isn't quite right because {la lojban} is concrete: it refers to the language. You can't have skill at a language, but you can have skill at speaking it, or writing it, or some combination of those. You can be explicit and use a full abstraction in certu2, such as {mi certu lo ka ce'u se bangu la lojban}, but considering how unnecessarily lengthy that is, you can replace the abstraction with a tu'a-construction: {mi certu tu'a la lojban}

Next, {mi certu tu'a la lojban} has another problem. It'd mean "I have skill at [some abstraction involving] Lojban," whereas you mean it to mean "I intend to become skillful at [some abstraction involving] Lojban." To get that "become", we can simply shove {binxo} into the mix: {mi binxo lo ka [ce'u] certu tu'a la lojban}, or use a lujvo form such as {mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}.

As for the level higher, simply replacing your {pu'u} with {du'u} is perhaps enough: {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}. But that bridi is very passive; you could simply be describing yourself. The English has to do with intention more than decision. Including intention into the jdice2 would be the ideal solution, I think. Doing so can be done simply in the form of an attitudinal such as {.ai} ({lo du'u .ai mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}) or by mixing in {zukte} which is how I believe intention is best handled (others will certainly suggest other methods) : {lo du'u mi zukte lo ka crebi'o tu'a la lojban}, or again, an equivalent lujvo form {lo du'u mi crebi'ozu'e tu'a la lojban}.

Finally, passing that du'u-sumti we just created to jdice2 does the trick: {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi crebi'ozu'e tu'a la lojban}, but hey, it turns out that we can lujvo this even further! {.i mi crebi'ozu'ejdi tu'a la lojban}, but making proper lujvo is a more complicated subject still. 

In the full form, including all the abstractions, the solution I propose turns out being {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi zukte lo ka binxo lo ka certu lo ka ce'u se bangu la lojban}. Aren't lujvo a blast?
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Read the first few posts, join the list if you haven't, and help us out. The only way things get done is if you help us. If you'd like to have full audio in your flash cards, start chopping audio for us. It takes 30-60 minutes of your day and it will help out lots of people.
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( If you have no idea what this is, I suggest you check out http://mspaintadventures.com/ )
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We can't play with just one player! Post your commands text-adventure style and start participating!
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I see that there are a lot of new followers and probably some that forgot about us. If you're still learning Lojban or haven't started, please please please please check out our video lessons. There is reading material that comes along with it, so check it out and just read the guide that comes along with it if video isn't an option. Please like/favourite/subscribe as that's the only way we know that this is doing anything. If you want to see more stuff like this happen, click that "donate" link and we'll try to crank out something new.
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Lojban meetup.

Saturday, May 11, 2013
1:00 PM

Bourbon Coffee
43 West 14th Street, New York, NY
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Can't make this one, didn't realize it was in New York until today! I'd definitely attend the next one though.
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Here is the finished picture of Mother Lang and a write up on my 2 yr olds progress in #lojban   http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2013/04/18/mlatu-and-mother-lang/
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Yaaaay! Thank you, new admin, for posting content. You're awesome.
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We're attempting to organise a 25th Anniversary meeting in Fairfax, Virginia, United States. We want to give a bit more advanced notice and gather an early head-count of attendees. Logfest is still happening in July of 2013, but we want to do an additional something-special because it's a neat fraction of a larger number. Keep your schedules open for the 2nd and 3rd of January in the year 2013 and keep your eyes open for the event invite.
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I would like to give an early RSVP, contingent on my Visa getting approved.
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So, your wonderful PR person, +Lindar Greenwood, has spent up until the last minute trying to translate this game for a wonderful publisher called PuppyPunch. I've played this game a lot in the past two weeks and had some serious struggles with certain kinds of game terminology. It comes out on the 24th and will be the very first commercially released game with an official Lojban translation. Since I had to invent so much terminology on-the-fly there may be some less-than-elegant phrasing in some places. If you see something that is a gross error, please let me know, but be gentle about your corrections. =D

(If you get the game on launch/before the first patch you'll notice that there is a slight problem with how the keyboard letters are named, which was unavoidable. That'll be corrected quickly.)

Please let me know what you think!
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I feel like there's going to be something horribly wrong with it and everybody is going to [hate me | think I'm stupid | yell at me | never respect me ever again]. At the same time everybody immediately jumped in voting for me to do it the second they saw the post on Reddit for this. >_>

I wonder how different it would be if selpa'i (the only other person to offer to do it) did the translation...
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