Most of this article jibes with what my Scandinavian couchsurfing guests have told me. I'm curious about what you all have heard and experienced.
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- I was replying to "drinking a lot".
Visit any city centre (in most parts of the world...) at the weekend and you see lots of people "drinking a lot", because they enjoy it. They like to be out with their peers, they like getting drunk and doing dumb stuff, they like to be one of crowd, they enjoy the whole nightclub thing. They are not all seriously unsatisfied with their lives.
Hell... I used to do it when I was a teenager/20s, because that is what you do. It is part of growing up - go out, get blasted with your mates, spend the next week telling stories of crazy stuff you did. I certainly wasn't seriously dissatisfied with life.Jan 24, 2015
Ah ok, thank you for explaining, I understand better now. It's part of the culture and people do it because everyone around them is already doing it and it's fun to be with friends and fit in. And so doing this doesn't on its own indicate any major unhappiness.
I guess as a result of growing up in multiple places and seeing people behave in not one but multiple "normal" ways, none of these seems "normal" to me and it seems odd to me that I would do something just because it's what everyone else is doing.
I wonder then whether any pattern of alcohol use might be a reasonably clear sign of people in some area, like Denmark, being unhappy with their life, or if it's no use to try to look for correlations.Jan 24, 2015
- Who cares about use of antidepressants? That is a smokescreen, but obviously works on you.
Use of drugs reflects wealth and availability more than depression. If you look at actual rates of depression, as in medically diagnosed, the USA is way ahead of these countries that you say are sad. By your argument the USA is the second saddest country in the world.
Here -> http://www.livescience.com/15225-global-depression-poor-rich-countries.html
And here -> http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/9/90/abstract
Similarly with suicide. The actual data shows that the USA suicide rate is higher than the OECD average, and higher that socialist Utopias such as Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, Germany, and Denmark.
Here -> http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/social-issues-migration-health/health-at-a-glance-2013/suicide_health_glance-2013-10-en#page4
By your own markers the socialist Utopias are happier than the USA.
You could have behaved like a grown-up and found this out for yourself, but you don't want to. You would rather remain in self-imposed ignorance and believe a trivial little article based on a book - and you think that is adult debate!
You Tea Baggers are funny...Jan 24, 2015
- It is socio-cultural, but I agree with you that it can be hard to understand how the culture arises.
There is a correlation between alcohol abuse and clinical depression, but whether A causes B, or B causes A, or C causes both is hard to determine.
I am not in the medical profession in any way, but I find C causing both depression and alcohol abuse the most convincing. I say this because if you decide that alcohol abuse leads to depression, you still need a trigger for alcohol abuse and if the depression leads to alcohol abuse you still need a trigger for the depression. Intuitively, I can see that trigger (stress, trauma, etc) being the same for both cases.Jan 24, 2015
- is sulking because I produced facts that prove him and his silly article wrong - three posts of ranting with no substance.
As he is illustrating, Tea Baggers hate it when facts burst their little bubble of ignorance.Jan 24, 2015
I agree, it makes sense to me that childhood trauma and/or stress would be the deeper cause of both depression and alcohol abuse, as well as criminality and pretty much every other problem. And I guess we don't need to measure this, prevalent as it is everywhere.Jan 24, 2015