Loving Apple a Little Less Right Now!
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- It's not Apple's facility... why is no one angry with Foxconn, the actual company... or the Chinese government for allowing such conditions in its workplace... or Chinese culture for accepting the working conditions? Place blame appropriately. If you want better conditions in factories -- quit complaining about prices and cough up the money it would take to purchase something built with these practices.
Apple used to do everything built in the US and everyone complained about the price of the Macintosh... (along with other reasons), nearly killed Apple... it had to compete, so now it uses the same component manufacturers as EVERYONE ELSE and it gets called out for it. My introduction to Foxconn was in a PC years ago. They manufactured hard drive cables in every PC I've ever seen.
If you really view that this is a problem, place the blame where it belongs... on Foxconn, on the Chinese Government/Culture, on the consumer (you). If you're going to call out Apple, make sure that you also call out Dell, HP, Gateway, Raduis, SGI, Cray and everyone else who uses any Foxconn components in their products.
As far as "Can't afford to pay living expenses / buy the products they make" Sounds like every single US factory employee, this isn't a foreign concept.Feb 22, 2012
- There was outrage at Foxconn two years ago. Conditions persist because companies (not just Apple) continue to use Foxconn as a contract manufacturer, but again it's a matter of scale. Calling out Apple will have the biggest impact. To Apple's credit they are taking this seriously so that is on the plus side.Feb 22, 2012
- , calling out Apple (or any other tech company) will have minimal impact, because Apple is not able to do a damn thing about the culture of exploitation accepted by the Chinese people. Think about it, people complain about the suicides so Foxconn puts up nets to catch the falling people. If workers complain they will simply fire those and hire others. The party controls everything. There is one real way of impacting this situation and that is superior robotic assembly lines that are flexible enough and inexpensive enough to compete with human hands. When it is cheaper to do it high tech rather than by manual labor China will lose and Foxconn will change; however, you still have artificial currency manipulation on the part of the ChiComs you have to address.Feb 22, 2012
- Again Apple has says that the imapct on production and labor costs would be pretty minimal. According to Steve Jobs the problem is there aren't enough mid-level technical workers. Well train them then. That's a simple solution. But while moving production onshore and training workers might not raise the manufacturing cost signifigantly it would impact the profit margin and that is sacred.
As too Apple having no control over Foxconn. They are paying the damn bill. If they start to pull out then Foxconn will change. Actually the funny thing is Apple is probably regretting manufacturing in China now anyway because of the Foxview situation. They have lost control of the iPad trademark. I doubt they get it back. And under Chinese law Foxconn probably owns the right to manufacture the iPad and iPhone. If Apple wasn't very careful in drafting their contracts they can't move to another factory in China.Feb 22, 2012
- If Foxconn lost Apple the ChiComs wouldn't care one damn bit. They know ultimately they have apple by the iBalls because they CAN NOT go anywhere else because their monetary policy and exploitative labor laws have allowed them to gut the manufacturing muscle of America and the rest of the world. The fact is they have us against the wall. If Apple were to disappear they would just lay off a few thousand workers and keep chugging out their stuff. They might even keep producing iDevices against Apples wishes under a different Foxconn name. Don't put it past them. Not even Apples product names like iPad are holding up in Chinese courts. Ha, "Chinese courts" (what a farce).Feb 22, 2012
- Actually it is cheaper to manufacturer in Eastern Europe (Romania / Hungary) where Emerson is moving, Mexico (Intel), Malaysia (IBM / Dell) and India than it is in China. At the moment China has capacity but that will change. Your comments echo a lot of what I said in my previous post. China in my opinion is not a desirable place to do business and I kept a former company out of Chinese factories for years because of issues such as those Apple is having. The currency manipulation is another issue but I don't think in this particular case it is having as much effect as you seem to think. I could be wrong but I think that is really more of an issue in regards to the pricing of American goods rather than wages /manufacturing costs.Feb 22, 2012