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Ron Paul: Corporations will ‘act as government spies’ under #CISPA

Paul warned that CISPA “represents an alarming form of corporatism, as it further intertwines government with companies like Google and Facebook.”

“It permits them to hand over your private information to government officials without a warrant, circumventing well known federal laws like the Wiretap Act and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, ” he said. “It also grants a broad immunity from lawsuits for doing so, leaving you without recourse for invasion of privacy.”

“Simply put, CISPA encourages some of our most successful Internet companies to act as government spies, sewing distrust in social media and chilling communications in one segment of the world economy where Americans still lead,” Paul added. “…If you believe in privacy and free markets, you should be deeply concerned about the proposed marriage of government intelligence gathering with private, profit-seeking companies.”
Presidential candidate Ron Paul, a Republican Congressman from Texas, has emerged as the leading opponent of the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), widely billed as a follow-up to ...
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What? Like Facebook? Of course they will. They will hand over all your personal data without batting an eyelash. They already do.
 
We need, 200 Ron Paul, 200 Gary Johnson and 135 Rand Paul in the House of Congress. Problem solved.
 
Under Ron Paul Corporations will be the government.
 
+Steven Sudit you're a real nice guy... this present Government along with the House will have some great tasting kool-aid for you. Rejoice.
 
Ron Paul doesn't want "government out of people's lives", he wants the Federal government emasculated so that state and local majorities are free to run roughshod over civil rights and unpopular minorities everywhere. "Liberty" was the coded word for undermining worker and suffrage rights during the Gilded Age--which seems to be where Ron Paul wants to take us back to.
 
RP is a fraud.


Fake when it comes to US staying out of the rest of the worlds conflicts. Says the US should invade Panama and take back the Canal.

Ron Paul wants to Eliminate all federal protection agencies and laws. And then if something happens you can sue.

Never mind the cost for the average person trying to sue large corporations. Never mind its a completely reactionary system that provides no protections, and the damage is already done.

For example Massey Energy Coal mine explosion. In Ron Paul's world Massey should have less regulations, and it would some how have been better for those miners who died. And they can always sue, oh wait their dead, too late.

And even the families suing after don't change anything. In the Massey Energy case they won, and Massey Energy is still not protecting miners adequately, and the families get to face appeal after appeal for even more costs. I thought Ron Paul said the fear of Lawsuits was suppose to cause them to want to do the right thing?

He wants to pass the buck of regulation on to states that can't afford to do it themselves. Too bad for states that can't afford to put in a regulatory agency themselves, too bad you don't have the population for your state to tax to create the proper regulatory agencies, so you get no protections.

Meanwhile Ron Paul claims oh look I created a small Government. No, he just moved it, and passing it on to failing and struggling states.

That is Ron Paul's line of thinking and a prime example of his lack of compassion.

Eliminating the minimum wage when poor can't make ends meet with it, isn't going to help, but Ron Paul thinks so.

And then there is is idea the will enable the return to Jim Crow. He wants any business to be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. That includes Race.
 
Yes I wrote it. I keep it saved for occasions when I see pro-rp posts.
 
+Kent Goertzen Kent -- Firstly, I am not a conservative nor right-wing at all, that offends me that you even think that. You don't even know me, if you looked at my blog and twitter feed you would be able to see that I am a left-leaning Independent.

This isn't a pro-rp post this is about something wise that he said about CISPA. Which is an important issue.

I don't agree with all of his positions, but do like some of them such as his position on foreign policy. Raw Story is not a conservative news source, you know that right? It's a lefty paper.

You through your link are casually calling me a internet troll which I am not. And no I am not paid to post anything, nor even know how that would happen. You appear to be the one showing a trolling behavior by copy/pasting comments.

You didn't have to go to such extremes in the first place, because Ron Paul is not going to be the nominee anyway. It's going to be Romney. I think that Paul will not be able to run again in four years, as he is getting pretty old.

Ask my friends which side of the political spectrum I fall on, and see what they say.

cc: +Mari Thomas +matthew rappaport +Max Huijgen +Dean Bairaktaris +Erfun Kheirandish +Alan Brannigan +Jim Carver
 
+Cynthia Yildirim Actually I posted it in response to +Jacques Dupuis not you. I can see how that could have been confusing. I was fine with the CISPA article and his response. It was the we need RP comment from Jacques that made me want to post those comments.

As far as RPs foreign policy goes, you do realize it is not just militarily he is talking about. But all foreign aid including food and medical. Isolationism, isn't the answer.

And I just have a hard time believing him when he says he wants to stop all military conflicts on one hand, and another says we need to invade Panama and take back the Canal.

And his economic policies are a Corporate Oligarchists dream. Koch brothers would love him in office.

But here is what is the scariest part of Ron Paul to me. You see all the bills and pushes against women with regards to birth control and abortion. If he could have his way (thankfully if elected he's be one of the biggest lame ducks) the states could run wild making what ever restrictions they want. And not just against women, but against anyone including any minority they feel like.
 
Thanks for the clarification +Kent Goertzen I don't think that +Jacques Dupuis would qualify as an troll either. Just seems like another person with a political opinion. It's good to have commenters from all areas of the political spectrum.
 
Let's be honest here. You pointed it out because you thought that you saw it occurring. There is really no other reason for you to randomly post that unless your intent was to try to cast doubt on a particular person. He nor I said or did anything that would warrant that being posted. +Kent Goertzen
 
No it isn't, because you assume that they are not already known. There will always be politicians and people for that matter that have some qualities that you admire equally with qualities you disdain in them. That's life. There is no perfect politician.

When your posting all of the things you dislike about him it deflects from the message trying to be put forward then you should refrain. For instance if I were to talk about World Peace and mentioned the Dali Llama would you then begin telling me all things you dislike about him while ignoring the topic at hand "World Peace?" +Steven Sudit
 
+Cynthia Yildirim "You through your link are casually calling me a internet troll"

And here you are calling me a liar. Read this again, "But heck I do it voluntary. RP's support pay people to direct discussions about him."

There is no direct or indirect implication, only pointing it out because I was called on copying and pasting something I wrote, because far too often I see blind support for RP from people that don't really go deeper into what his politics mean. That is it. It had nothing to do with accusing you or Jacques.

But you go ahead and believe whatever you want.
 
+Steven Sudit He is popular because he makes sense more often than most politicians. He also sticks to his opinions and doesn't change them based on pressure from the media or anyone else. That makes him stand out.

If you time bring forth your natured relevant details. If you don't have time we can continue this another time...or on another post. :)
 
+Cynthia Yildirim Depends, does the Dali Llama regularly mislead everyone or have objectionable policies?

Apples to Oranges there. Heck I held back on Paul.


His character or lack there of:
His campaign not only kept the endorsment, they touted it. This is a pastor that wants to use the Final solution on LBGT people.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron-pauls-campaign-touts-endorsement-of-pastor-who-advocates-killing-gay-people/

Note here, Ron Paul in response to 3 newspaper interviews not once denies making the quotes from the Newsletter he claims credit in a video. He only says they are taken out of context. So to take out of context he actually had to say those words, and there isn't a context those statements can be taken other than racially motivated.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/26/ron-paul-newsletters-swiftness-of-black-men_n_1169990.html

His former aid trying to defend him from the Racism claims accidentally lets out he's a closet homo-phobe. Happy to take their money, but won't use their bathrooms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/26/eric-dondero-ron-paul-racist-homophobic_n_1170054.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Ties to Stormfront:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/291000/20120201/anonymous-ron-paul-neo-nazi-bnp-a3p.htm

Ties to Nazi group:
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-paul-was-implicated-in-attempted-white-supremacist-island-invasion/

His 1-2 good points don't outweigh the many, many bad points of electing him.

Find me some negatives to talk about with the Dali Llama as prevalent and bad as those that follow RP.

And he is running for office. So it is very relevant to talk about all aspects of him. Especially when someone makes statements like "We need, 200 Ron Paul, 200 Gary Johnson and 135 Rand Paul in the House of Congress. Problem solved."

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are insane as far as I'm concerned, as those who blindly follow their hidden hate filled agenda.
 
+Cynthia Yildirim "He is popular because he makes sense more often than most politicians."

Only with one or to talking points he repeats over and over. You look at his real policies and how they will affect us as I pointed out above, and they are crazy and essentially hand over power to not only corporations, but state based bigots.

You think the war on women and immigrants is bad now, wait to see what would happen if RP got in office.

This is straight from his platform. A platform you don't see him making speeches about in debates.


"Eliminate all federal protection agencies and laws. And then if something happens you can sue.

Never mind the cost for the average person trying to sue large corporations. Never mind its a completely reactionary system that provides no protections, and the damage is already done.

For example Massey Energy Coal mine explosion. In Ron Paul's world Massey should have less regulations, and it would some how have been better for those miners who died. And they can always sue, oh wait their dead, too late.

And even the families suing after don't change anything. In the Massey Energy case they won, and Massey Energy is still not protecting miners adequately, and the families get to face appeal after appeal for even more costs. I thought Ron Paul said the fear of Lawsuits was suppose to cause them to want to do the right thing?

That is crazy. His whole assumption is that corporations will do the right thing. They don't do the right thing even with regulation, and he thinks eliminating them would help?


No minimum wage when people can't make ends meet with it as it is now. Have you seen how many hours on minimum wage people have to work in each state just to pay rent, nothing else?
 
+Kent Goertzen He may be running for office, but he should have dropped out long long ago. He doesn't have a chance. Gingrich should have too long ago. Finally it seems as if he is going to.

When you find out these horrible things about a politician, you have think about the likelihood of something happening verses your fear of something happening. If it is so controversial that it will never get passed, then it isn't a worry. I like to think about the things that may actually get through.

When views are so far-right or far-left they will never get anywhere in congress unless they are on the state level. That's why you have seen nuts such as Scott Walker in Wisconsin emerge and destroy a once great state with repressive changes.
 
Think about the likelihood of anyone actually being executed for such a small amount vs. your fear that they may. It isn't realistic. Firstly, the ACLU would be all over that, thank god for them they are some of the only people out there trying to protect rights and freedoms. Secondly, the backlash would be immense, which would quickly bring it to an end. +Steven Sudit
 
Let me preface my remarks by saying that I am Australian. In Australia, the big decisions are made by our Federal Government. Things like health care, taxation, military budgets etc are all made by the Federal Government. I find that to be appropriate.

I do not understand what I believe is the Libertarian frame of mind about small government. That's inappropriate to me. I do not believe that states will govern effectively across the board in matters that have a national consequence.

The US Constitution was written over 200 years ago now to limit the power of the US Federal Government, as I understand it. I don't think that your Constitution ever foresaw a day when states would be unable to provide proper government in these matters. It never foresaw national health care, it didn't foresee a military as complex as the one that the US has now, it certainly didn't foresee a space program.

Ron Paul is for small government. He wants a devolution of responsibility back to the states and away from the Federal Government. It's not going to work. It's not 1776 anymore and he is a dreamer.

And I am not too sure that his dream isn't a nightmare. I've looked at him and looked at him and the more I look, the less that I trust him. He looks like a lovely old man. So did Albert Fish.
 
Hours required to just pay rent on minimum wage:

https://plus.google.com/108447039773039786532/posts/WrNRShhVRck

Better hope there are no disasters when RP is in office. He doesn't want federal aid to disaster victims. Even though not one time in our history has private donations been able to cover these things, besides having to pick up the slack on all other federal services.

And who decides if a area gets federal relief. The President makes the declaration, so he would be the bottom line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/ron-paul-tornado-fema-aid-_n_1321690.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Ron Paul's version of the world is a fair tale. Where everyone gvies huge amounts to charities and no corporations lie or cheat. That states will do the right thing and not try to exert ridiculous laws (oh wait they are now).
 
+WT Gator Thanks for your comment, and all of your comments great discussion.

Absolutely, states are unable to collectively as one merge into currently held positions on social and civil rights issues. That's why federal law trumps state law here as well. Often the states are left to decide on some of the finer details to make them fit in with their states systems.

Ron Paul and anyone similar to him would not be able to accomplish that I hope. I feel ya, I don't want us to reverse all of the progress we have made these past 300 years either.

Yes, the military budget is out of control, and our government uses it's soldiers for ill gains such as oil rights.

Great comment.
 
+Steven Sudit Exactly, he's said we should declare war on Panama and take the canal back.

Something again on his character, I know what he is doing isn't illegal, I just wonder if he has to resort to the tactics discussed on the Maddow show, that says a lot about him and how he will govern.

http://youtu.be/9x28_I9oIVg
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