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2013-04-19: the day the indieweb successfully federated a comment post.
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What's the spam story on this? The same as pingback? (Namely, that the response has to link to the post its pinging?)

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So I made a G+ event public that I originally accidentally made private, and now navigating to it in another browser (one that I'm either not logged into gmail/google or logged into another account) causes an infinite reload (and actually crashes the Safari rendering process) - - heads-up +Matthew Levine 
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> you can also also click the "Share Event" button on the top-right of an event page

I did do that first - see my previous post:

but since it left me on the event page and nothing looked like nothing changed I thought it failed, so I posted the URL manually.

And I have to wonder, from a user perspective, why should the preview of "Share Event" differ at all from share a URL to that event? (assuming event is public in either case). Confusing that those would be different.

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microformats meetup dinner in SF Friday 2013-03-01 6pm at Papalote:
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Why do I keep breaking things. I think I'm bad at G+.
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Why I won't be buying any ebooks as gifts:,0,1032270.column via +Les Orchard (on FB).

(I already don't buy them for myself because I like to annotate every book I read, and no ebook "viewer" has a decent annotation UI and good annotation import/export/standards support).
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+Tantek Çelik Thanks Tantek - Great dope for my close friend Thom McFadden He has written the ebooks but does not sell them well for all of the reasons your team points out.  Please ask Matt if the two of you would be willing to take on a protege. I am out here on my own trying to chage every #byte  of #rdf from share to #brend text the word Charisma to 90210 to connect to #ThomMcFadden or you can reach his team here #ingressplaygopotato (PS I don't work for Thom he is my friend and life coach)
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wow... that's funny that Brian Oberkirch is criticizing data silos and then asking people to login via Twitter.  

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Two months into 2013 and we've already got microformats accomplishments to be proud of. Let's celebrate with burritos at Papalote and welcome special guest developers Jessica Lynn Suttles and Shane Becker.
Microformats dinner meetup!
Fri, March 1, 2013, 9:00 PM
Papalote, 3409 24th St., San Francisco, CA


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"Cool", but not that new of an idea. An artist did something similar in 2009 as part of an art project.

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The G+ iOS app is quite well done, and the team very much deserves the accolades it's getting. It's really quite slick and I'm going to be digging into it for a while exploring all the neat interactions.

Just one gripe so far, and unfortunately it's along the longstanding "creepiness" error that Google seems to make far more often than others (e.g. with Latitude, Buzz). I know everyone inside Google assumes Google is benevolent in all things. Those of us outside Google typically assume Google is potentially chaotically/unconsciously malevolent despite best of intentions.

Creepy and uncool: Auto-uploading all my past photos from my iPod just because I enabled Photo-access to the G+ app in my iOS privacy settings so I could post one photo taken today.


I don't care that you put it in a so-called "private" album. Not cool. Nothing about turning on a permission to post a current or future photo should be inferred to mean "upload all past photos". Frankly, I don't trust any social network to not have bugs and accidentally make things public.

Bad G+ iOS app. No more device photo-access for you. Trust, lost.

And time, wasted (with whack-a-mole clicking select-all then trash icon over and over again - like hello - where was the "undo" for Instant Upload of all my old photos?).

Google Buzz made a similar (but worse) error, when it automatically sent out massive numbers of invitations to high frequency Gmail contacts, just because you joined Buzz, and they might want to join too or something. That was worse clearly (as are all "auto-spam your contacts" features which have largely fallen out of favor as enough products have repeated that mistake and been publicly chided for it).

Design tip: any time you find yourself designing a feature that involves doing a mass-upload, mass-invitation, mass-computation, mass-anything to a user's old or past data, be very very careful. Certainly don't do it implicitly just because the user turned some permission on so they could use the app for one thing right now, or they signed-in just to try it out. And certainly don't do it if you're a big company or have a history of such errors  as Google does. Tread lightly and respectfully with users' data especially their pre-existing data.


No, seriously, I do like the app a lot in general.

Just thought I should share this as the emotional impact was fresh.

Hopefully this can be improved, like maybe only enable Instant-upload for future photos taken/posted, and provide some feature to "import" old photos (with plenty of warning like: "About to upload 4000 photos from the past 2 years to a private album. Proceed?" And then of course have a stop/undo button :) Thanks for listening.


cc: +Matthew Levine +Chris Messina +Brynn Evans +Krista Sanders +Daniel Burka 
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Thanks for your feedback. +Matthew Levine is correct: we intend the Google+ app to only upload new photos and videos when the user enables Instant Upload.

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This reminds of Anathem-style thinking. cc: +Joel Franusic

"... identified the 50 most important machines required for modern life—from the soil pulverizer to the oven—and is working to make a prototype of a low-cost DIY version of each so that anyone anywhere can build them." (via +Adam Rifkin - because I can't be bothered with the awkward G+ post resharing/threading UI - and I want to write my own text around the link. :P)
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