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Allyson Hamilton
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We're discussing Nozick's "Love's Bond" in my Philosophy of Love and Sex class this week.

My brain is slightly twisted around by the union/joint identity concept of romantic love. On first reading, I wanted to like Nozick's account from an idealistic perspective (although from a jaded real life perspective I found myself scoffing at a few parts). After reading this chapter a few times and skimming a few critiques I think his theory has a few key flaws, although I'm not sure how eloquently I can state them:

1. Can/does one really desire to assume all of the ends of another as their own? If one then fails to achieve an end, have they failed the other since the ends of one are the ends of both?

2. Does the theory leave room for retention of a self-identity? I think if you take Nozick's account to the full extent, he's left very little room here.

3. Can reciprocity, self-sacrifice, and concern for the other for their own sake function within a joint identity by Nozick's account? I think these three conditions are both necessary and sufficient in romantic love, and I don't think Nozick's account allows for them.

Interested to hear your thoughts - whether you're familiar with Nozick or not.

If you're interested in discussing topics like this, I've got a "Philosophy of Love and Sex Circle" that I'd love to add more voices to.
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Ooh yay! Thanks for the link! :)
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I'm looking for more people to add to a circle to discuss philosophical issues around love and sex. Let me know if you want in on the discussion.
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I'm taking a Philosophy of Love and Sex class right now and I'd love to explore and discuss some of the topics in greater depth and with a wider group. I'm going to create a circle for this rather than posting my thoughts to my public stream so if you're interested in being included in the discussion please comment or +1 this post.
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sure. like to see interesting view points, as this is part of life.
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Trying to read a philosophy paper on why prostitution should be decriminalized should probably not be attempted at 11pm when you've been up since 8 and have to be up again at 7... o_O
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We're discussing Nozick's "Love's Bond" in my Philosophy of Love and Sex class this week.

My brain is slightly twisted around by the union/joint identity concept of romantic love. On first reading, I wanted to like Nozick's account from an idealistic perspective (although from a jaded real life perspective I found myself scoffing at a few parts). After reading this chapter a few times and skimming a few critiques I think his theory has a few key flaws, although I'm not sure how eloquently I can state them:

1. Can/does one really desire to assume all of the ends of another as their own? If one then fails to achieve an end, have they failed the other since the ends of one are the ends of both?

2. Does the theory leave room for retention of a self-identity? I think if you take Nozick's account to the full extent, he's left very little room here.

3. Can reciprocity, self-sacrifice, and concern for the other for their own sake function within a joint identity by Nozick's account? I think these three conditions are both necessary and sufficient in romantic love, and I don't think Nozick's account allows for them.

Interested to hear your thoughts - whether you're familiar with Nozick or not.

If you're interested in discussing topics like this, I've got a "Philosophy of Love and Sex Circle" that I'd love to add more voices to.
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Back when I wrote on theories of love (I haven't done it in a long while), I focused on the concept of love as a process. That "I love you" actually means "I am loving you". The advantage of this approach is that it accounts for Nozick's views here without being quite as easy to dismiss as ridiculously over-idealistic. I also took pains to insist that perfection was almost certainly impossible in reality: the two axes I described had a practical limit that would be hit far sooner than any theoretical limit imaginable.

The first axis I called comprehension. It exploited the natural human drive of curiosity and explained love, in part, as an expression of the fundamental need to know and understand. "Who is this person?" in a sense. "What fascinating thing will she do next?" The second axis is the interesting one: compassion.

I explain compassion in this way. Identity is a really malleable thing. As you grow to love someone, what happens is that your identity starts to interleave with theirs. If the love isn't reciprocated, that doesn't change a thing. There's no we, as Nozick would have it, but there's still a ...place in your heart, if you will. They matter to you. By this measure, I can say that your identity wraps around theirs. You don't lose any autonomy (it's an imperfectible process, remember), but your expression changes because your values change. Your sense of self grows to include the other person, thus making any genuinely selfish act a considered act on behalf of the other person as well. (And yeah, some people are dicks to their loves, and it naturally pushes them apart because it's reasserting their "I"-ness and changing their identity, their self, back to the individual form.)

To me, love is what we call the drive to comprehension resulting in an increase in compassion. As you discover more, you accept these discoveries and make them part of you. A silly quirk you don't agree with becomes a playful nag, a subject subtly ignored when it's irrelevant. But that doesn't necessitate that you accept all of them.
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I always forget how much I love Fiona Apple and then I hear a snippet of a song and I go on a binge. Can't get enough of this song this week!
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I'm taking a Philosophy of Love and Sex class right now and I'd love to explore and discuss some of the topics in greater depth and with a wider group. I'm going to create a circle for this rather than posting my thoughts to my public stream so if you're interested in being included in the discussion please comment or +1 this post.
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Ray, Lynn, and Ryan, I've added you. :)
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That people listen to Rush Limbaugh, on any topic, is terribly baffling and depressing. To pontificate, as he does, on topics about which he so clearly knows nothing at all is the absolute height of irresponsibility. The corporation that stands behind him and his listeners should all be ashamed.
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  • North Island College
    Bachelor of Business Administration, 2001 - 2012
  • North Island College
    Pre-apprenticeship Automotive Technician Certificate, 1998 - 1999
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