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Yesterday, +Dan Petrovic made a post, asking how, in the wake of Panda and the Page-Layout algo change, it was still possible for a certain web page to rank near the top for a query (http://goo.gl/dDSgs). I commented, telling him that it was most likely due to the fact that both search-volume and result-relevancy for the term in question, were practically nonexistent. This fact has since been confirmed by +Matt Cutts in a Webmaster Central Hangout attended by Dan earlier today. This sort of thing is, as Matt Cutts apparently called it "An Evil Unicorn"
However, as kind of a follow-up question about how a page can still rank, here's one I ran across earlier, ranking second for the term Rabbie Burns: http://goo.gl/kPf0B
A casual search with the AdWords tool reveals a healthy-ish search volume of 22,500 for the term, while an allintitle: search shows 17,000+ documents of direct relevance... hardly insignificant. What gets me is the simple fact that not only is there nothing of immediate relevance on the page, but a profusion of AdSense units have been unceremoniously plastered at the start of the document, way ahead of anything even resembling content.
Going through the rest of the site reveals a slew of similar, thin Made for AdSense pages without anything to actually recommend them to users.
In short, the entire site is an unmitigated lump of crap, the sole purpose of which is to make money through AdSense, yet it still ranks just fine, despite Google's recent and much-discussed Do-as-I-say-Don't-Do-As-I-Do Page-layout algorithm update.
Suggestions...? Anyone...?
However, as kind of a follow-up question about how a page can still rank, here's one I ran across earlier, ranking second for the term Rabbie Burns: http://goo.gl/kPf0B
A casual search with the AdWords tool reveals a healthy-ish search volume of 22,500 for the term, while an allintitle: search shows 17,000+ documents of direct relevance... hardly insignificant. What gets me is the simple fact that not only is there nothing of immediate relevance on the page, but a profusion of AdSense units have been unceremoniously plastered at the start of the document, way ahead of anything even resembling content.
Going through the rest of the site reveals a slew of similar, thin Made for AdSense pages without anything to actually recommend them to users.
In short, the entire site is an unmitigated lump of crap, the sole purpose of which is to make money through AdSense, yet it still ranks just fine, despite Google's recent and much-discussed Do-as-I-say-Don't-Do-As-I-Do Page-layout algorithm update.
Suggestions...? Anyone...?
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It appears #2 for me, agree with Sasch > due to the lightness, the excessive ads and the competition > towards the bottom of page one would be about right for me (in light of the page-layout algo update) but no algo will ever be perfect ;)Jan 25, 2012
Prefer mackerel over sausages anyday +John Mueller ;)
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http://web.archive.org/web/20110423153918/http://sausagelinks.co.uk/Jan 25, 2012
I surely do John; I surely do. :-)
Ultimately, there's no such thing as the perfect search result page, and there will always be freak listings. I also certainly don't qualify as a typical user, so I guess it's easy for me to be hyper-critical at light results.
Google Scholar results are becoming increasingly handy for me. :-)
Your point about it being a balance of all the algo's elements is well made. It's all too easy (and I'm guilty of this myself) to focus on the latest enhancements/updates, without stopping to consider that all components work together to produce a unit. ;-)
Be that as it may, I shall pass things on to you when I find that that doesn't belong...Jan 25, 2012
Always going to be edge cases, but all-in-all I think this latest change should be a very good one.
I wonder if the "other side" of Google might perhaps decide to focus on quality at some stage also, and not let any Tom, Dick or Harry plaster Adsense units all over their pages? Seems odd that one side is trying to make the web better, and the biggest offenders are being enabled by the other side?Jan 26, 2012
We've pointed that out to G before int eh past +Richard Hearne.
Not WebMAsters/Qualities issue - and I don't think they talk that often with AdSense.
Prime example of Conflict of Interests and lack of communication.Jan 26, 2012
Oddly enough, I started making a post about the seeming lack of communication between web search and the bit of Google that brings in the cash, but then I got sidetracked, lost what I'd written in a refresh, and couldn't be bothered to type it all out again.
There does seem to be an alarming lack of communication between the various arms of Google, and it would increasingly appear that all the nice and genuine folk that make up web search, search quality, and all the other good bits, are more than offset by a bunch of money-hungry, unscrupulous assholes in AdWords/AdSense.
Wonder what Larry makes of that? ;-)
Hell, I run Adsense myself, but I'm damned if I'm doing it on a low value piece of shit site; I do my own quality vetting. So yes, let's bring on some tighter quality enforcement...Jan 26, 2012
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