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Each manufacturer has a car they wish they could take back. Pontiac has the Aztek, Porsche has the VW engined 914.

What other bastard children of manufacturers can you name?

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Other than the elephant in the room Edsel?

Pinto maybe?

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Yeah I was wondering about the capitalization as well. I should go back and edit those.
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+Matthew VandenBerg It does in my world. Whatever the voices in your head tell you isn't my issue.

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I'm sure Lotus isn't too proud of the original Elan
 
It's Aztek, +Matthew VandenBerg :P

And to answer the question, I think Hyundai should take back everything before about 2005 or so.
 
+Bryce Womeldurf oh, yes, that's what I meant. Forgot it was on it's second gen. I was distinguishing it from the supposed 2017 refresh.
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+Cheese Slap The Pinto was the right car for the gas crisis. At the same time GM was facing its own crisis with the Vega. The Pinto had quality issues as well as the gas tank issue. The Vega had a very unusual issue for GM. They tried something a bit higher tech with the aluminum heads but this caused all the issues as well. Live and learn.

From that same time period Ford gave us the Panther platform as well. Add in the family truckster and the last of the big station wagon years and I wouldn't just brush that off.
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+Colby Goettel Look I have been through this discussion with +Cole Lunde. I stand by my choice of words. I used to use "Manufacture" instead of "Manufacturer" as the same word. One is to make and the other is the maker. In that sentence, which for the record I spelled correctly, I was talking about the company and not the creation of the item.
+Melina M I have a hard time defending anything Hyundai made before 2000 myself. There are still lingering quality control issues.

To everyone: One that just hit me was the Subaru SVX. A car that we all have a sort of love for but sold miserably. There is nothing in Subie's stables that was like it then or comes close to it to this day. Even the new FR-S/BRZ/insert name here isn't really the same type of car.
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Yeah apparently that is the case isn't it. I guess its time to pull my "Dog is my co-pilot" bumper sticker.
 
ah. i learn new things about the pinto!

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+Cheese Slap Ford made a big mistake on a PR level with the Pinto. Even if they hadn't it would never be considered a good car. At least we got the Mustang II out of it.

'79 gave us the Fox as well as the Panther. Before that we got the LTD II and the smaller "full size" Fords. Of course this is the time I grew up in when I first started to learn about cars so its oddly important to me.
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Speaking of which would we put the AMC Pacer or Eagle on this list?
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+Brian Timm Come for the grammar and spelling lessons stay for the lessons about crappy compacts.
 
exactly. also i agree on the Pacer.
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+Cheese Slap Fox was '79-93. It started life with the engines from the Mustang II included the 80hp 4 cylinder and ended with the 2003 Cobra R with a 351 and 300HP
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Really was it 351? I was going by memory. No wait I said 2003 Cobra R when I meant the 93.
 
I'm confused about the fox platform history being shared here. The most powerful Cobra R iteration was in 2000, and that was a 32-valve 5.4L at 385hp. The platform's absolute zenith was the 2004 SVT Cobra with the supercharged 4-valve 4.6L at 390hp (advertised, way underrated).
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+Ryan Kiefer Right I made a mistake when I said 2003 for a Cobra R. I meant the 93 and I need to go look up its numbers. I believe the 93 was the last of any Fox bodies made.
 
Oh, we're talking Fox body, not Fox platform? My misunderstanding. I know the 94-04 was updated, but it was still largely the same underpinnings.
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Right but the Fox Body Mustang aka 3rd generation Mustang was 79-93. You are right about the Fox platform bits sticking around on the 94-(03?) version as well. I still think its because Ford was moving the Mustang to what became the Probe. They had the new Mustang ready and when we all screamed at them that the car wasn't a Mustang they were forced to keep it around longer then expected.

Confusing paragraph but I think i made my point. The Probe was supposed to be the new Mustang. At Car Shows the Public and magazines tore it to pieces. It was a modern interpretation of the Mustang II not the 64 1/2th
 
Now, why couldn't we have gotten a Probe based on this prototype, which appears to use the boosted-to-hell engine from the RS200?

http://goo.gl/34ciy
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Oh yeah that would have gotten past all the safety regulations. That and the $250,000 price might have turned off a few people.

For a good counter example to that you should go look at the early Mustang prototypes back in the early 60s. They did the same thing back then.

Really if you think about it why shouldn't the Probe platform work for the Mustang? The Mustang II may be hated but it sold very well. So it only seemed natural for Ford to make a future Mustang in the same image. Thankfully we won and they didn't.
 
Eh, "prototypes" in racing are generally useful for developing a new part or two, proving a new technology is viable under extreme use, that sort of thing -- rarely an entire car. I only meant that it, along with the RS200, was proof-of-concept for a compact MR chassis.

Ford was eating GM's lunch in the Camaro vs. Mustang war in the 80s (especially with the SVO). I think they could have out-Fiero'd the Fiero with a mid-engined coupe.
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With that I agree. There is a picture floating around online of the 1990 Fiero concept car that GM had made up. Once they killed the car they destroyed the prototype as well. Which is a shame because it was basically a 3/4 scale 4th Gen Firebird shape long before that came out.

Ford did have a Fiero like car in the late 80s as a concept. Damn it I can't remember the name of it. The prototype survives to this day. Crap I need to go remember its name.
 
What about the base Cayenne? That has a VW V6 too.
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The Cayenne should very much be on this list especially with that motor.How dare it be called a Porsche when it can't get out of its own way. It might as well have been called a 912.
 
+Melina M , you can thank fuel economy regs for the low-power version of pretty much any performance vehicle. Like the upcoming Lambo SUV we've been seeing lately, if it allows a manufacturer to stay alive and keep making their low-volume halo cars, I'm all for it. I don't think it's brand-dilution, and anyone who once desired a 911, but changed their mind because Porsche dared, DARED to release a cheaper, more economical version of an almost entirely-unrelated vehicle (under the same brand name, that's about it), is just being nitpicky and silly. And potentially missing out on the world's first 7-speed sports car with a clutch pedal.
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With all the #Oppo+ stuff trending I thought I'd actually bump my actual threads for discussion.
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+Jackson Stewart Even 30 years later the GM diesels are still on peoples minds. Which is a shame really.
 
Oh lawd baby Jesus, YES. Those diesels were rotten. My dad did a brief stint as a car salesman at a Caddy/Buick/Chevy/GMC dealer in the early 80s, and I remember him telling me about how the few diesels they got just sat on the lot slowly returning to the earth. He never sold one, and never knew of one being sold, even though the sales manager offered a huge bonus to anyone who could get the things off of the lot. A test drive was all it took for the car to lose the sale, and often people were so turned off, they would walk off the lot without driving the gas version. Why couldn't GM just have done the smart thing and bought diesel engines from a manufacturer who already knew how to do them right? Imagine a range of late 70s/early 80's American luxury boats cruising around with Merc 5cyl diesels...
 
i love my merc 5cyl diesel... just wish diesels were more popular around here... they're huge in europe.
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+Ryan Kiefer The problem, as I have been told, with the GM diesels was that they took a standard small block and converted it to diesel. The issue was that they didn't reinforce it or do anything to allow it to deal with the higher compression. That and the limited horsepower just doomed them.
To do this late if you are over 30 most of us equate diesels to them. Even though they werent around that long.
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+Brian Timm Well our road taxes are high on diesels since they do the most miles. Which raises the cost of the fuel almost to expensive for a daily driver.
That being said you would return the extra cost of a diesel faster then a hybrid. Still I was just reading an article this weekend where, on average, its a $4000-5000 bump in the sticker price for a diesel.
Oh for the record this excludes the Mercedes. Which costs less in its diesel version.
 
right...

it hurts having to pay so much more to fuel my diesel... just annoying really. love the thing though.
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Its funny but with our love of SUVs (I admit to owning a body on frame Sorento) you would think we would welcome diesel. We need torque in the US not horsepower. We like how fast our car goes at a red light not how fast my top end is.
 
there's never a place to reach that top end. so ya it's useless.
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I mean lets look at my little Mazda5. It has the bigger engine (at a whopping 2.5l) and the stick shift. When I come off the line its like this
wait...wait...wait...... WHOOM
I have turbo lag in a non-turbo car. Now the flip side is I go and play on the back roads. I can keep her tached out and play but that isn't the norm it's the exception.
Which leads me to go start a new Oppo+ topic
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