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"That women are joining in the ongoing disassembling of my appearance is salient. Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate. It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women. It is subtle, insidious, and never more dangerous than when women passionately deny that they themselves are engaging in it."

From Ashley Judd's awesome article.
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She's right, its a conversation that needs changing.
 
She makes an interesting point. Unfortrunately we as a society seem to need reasons behind why people look both good, bad or indifferent. It was however, somewhat obvious that here appearance has changed. Although suttle, it's just the spark for the media to speculate what had happened. Until they (the media) are limited on what they may or may not print, we must pick apart what is fact or fiction.
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@Daniel It's possible that her appearance has changed, because, as she notes in her article, people compare her to what she looked like in 1998, 14 years ago.
So she aged, HOW DARE SHE? Does a man get quite that much backlash for the "sin" of aging? Or do they just get commended for looking more mature and distinguished?
 
The vast majority of the appearance based attacks on women come from women. Most men prefer the minimal makeup, jeans and a T-shirt look.
 
Good article. Very right on. But, let's face it, 'Hollywood' is about glamour, superficiality, and marketing (and greed, look at what they are doing to the internet). The point is though, that Ashley Judd is an actor, not just a Hollywood product, and has done some incredible independent film work ('Bug' which was amazing and a courageous role, for one). Then again, wasn't she in a cosmetic ad campaign she was probably paid very well a few years ago? What needs to happen is for the concept of beauty and attractiveness to mature (literally...) as well as an appreciation and respect for people are older and wiser. Wouldn't it be great if people went to plastic surgeons to get broken capillaries, wrinkles and sagging jowls and necks? Only make up artists get to make an income off of that now.
 
As I am sure you have all noticed too, I have observed that the masses seem to prefer to focus on flaws they can find in "the beautiful people" as if to comfort themselves of their own self-esteem issues by trying to bring those they perceive to be better, down a peg closer to what they secretly consider to be their lesser level of existence / wealth / beauty / fame / success...etc. I never hear anything about people who are already heavy or by tradition, considered to be unattractive - even though those people change weight and age like the others...no one focuses on pointing this out???
 
Can anyone tell me if they think homeschoolers are stupid and why? Or if they don't think homeschoolers are stupid. I would like to here everyone's opinion on it please.
 
+KeltyGreye Why don't you start a new thread of conversation, luv? Then I will gladly give you my 2 cents on that question... ;)
 
Everyone - I go outside for the afternoon and look what happens! Discussion!

Being an actor is a challenge, because your physical self is part of the package for the job. But Ms Judd makes a great point about the way the conversation is framed and the phrases and judgment used. It is highly misogynist. Unfortunately, there is power gained by being the woman who criticizes other women. As +Valerie Lemon pointed out, it's often to drag down the offending women. It's like beauty is a zero sum game; there's only so much beauty to go around and since one person got more than me and that's unfair or something. But it's not a zero sum game. Your beauty does not negate or undermine mine.
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Well if we're going for non sequiturs, I'd just like to say how much I like cheese.
And Ashley Judd!
[aaand back on topic!] :D
 
There have been strides made towards changing the ideal of what women are supposed to look like, with the controversy over photo-shopped women being completely unnaturally slimmed down, to some designers and magazines refusing to use anorexic women models. It really isn't enough though. Women are still a commodity in the western world, make less money than men in the same jobs, and the current 'Personhood' Bill of Rights (ackk!) attempting to take away the birth control, abortion, and basic reproductive rights of women only clarify this in the US, certainly. And look at other countries, it is very disturbing in the lack of equality, and the brutality some women face. Some say it is due to the anthropological fact of younger women being fertile and being able to reproduce that make it a mirror in a way of the societal stress on youth and attractiveness of the female. It would be reasonable for human beings to evolve from that construct though, don't you think?
 
+V. Highcastle That's interesting, except that the ultra skinny model isn't what is attractive fertility wise. I see it as a controlling mechanism.
 
Well, the ultra skinny model is an object to sell other objects, correct? And that starts a whole political slant, which is a very important aspect. Consumerism is a definite form of control and brainwashing. And many men find slender women attractive sexually. I guess skinniness is a form of imbuing a woman with child-like, or at least pre-adolescent physical characteristics.
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It's the idea that women "lose" value with age, because they are primarily valued for their looks. Whereas men "gain" value with age, because of their accumulated wealth. Hollywood plays into this trope all the time - as noted by the fact that the leading men get older while their costars stay the same age...around 25.
While I'm sure there are loving couples where a 20 year age gap exists, it certainly isn't as common as Hollywood portrays it. Data shows that for most people, the average age gap between couples is + or - 5 years.
I think, and this is not an original observation here, that Hollywood shows an astonishing lack of imagination, and I suspect it's because it's run by the simplistic frat-boy mentality that never matured or evolved much past their 20's sense of entitlement and narrow mindedness. Tina Fey has commented on the misogyny by saying that Hollywood labels any woman as crazy if "she keeps talking when no one wants to f**k her anymore."
European films and media venerate women like Kristen Scott Thomas, Julliete Binoche, and Ines de la Fressange. Of course these women are more gorgeous than the average woman; that's part of their career. But they are also allowed to age and be seen as simply gorgeous...not "still" gorgeous.
It would help everyone to see women in the media who were shown as active, interesting people, worthy of respect, without it always boiling down to how they look and how offended the public seems to be when a woman shows up in the media and DARES to be anything but attractive.
 
My late mother once told me that as a woman gets older she becomes more and more invisible. Isn't that sad? That is the era that she was raised in. Women have made strides since then. I know some women who seem really old when they are in their 20's. It seems to be how vital, interested, curious, creative and original a woman as to how 'youthful' one can be. It's an inside job. It's breaking the rules that women need to do, and it is a viable concern that female actors get pigeon-holed, that there aren't enough featured 'roles' for middle-aged + women in film and television. Let's create more!
 
I've had women be total bitches to me, based sometimes on my looks (I am no 'spring chicken', btw), but also because I tend to get attention being tall and most of the time, social and fairly gregarious. It sucks. I do not put up with it, but it still can hurt, or throw you for a loop when you least expect it. I have lost women friends because they were hostile to me when I was just being myself, and they saw me as some threat (to what or whom I do not know).
 
I REALLY REALLY DISLIKE HUMANS... ASHLEY ... YOUR BEAUTIFUL ... AND I BE A BIG FAN... BONUS FOR ME..
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