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FYI: 6 March 2014 - Prasch has posted a follow-up video here:

https://t.co/moxjNNoo9i

He insists he does not belong to "evangelicism's" lunatic fringe, but he doesn't actually correct ANYTHING from the above video.

He's still talking about the TULIP of Bezza from the Remonstrance of Dorts (and he still doesn't know what the U stands for). He refuses to admit that he confused R. C. Sprowell (didn't get the pronunciation of that name right, either) with Gary North. He has located an article that mentioned Y2K in an old TableTalk and therefore insists (falsely) that he can document his earlier claim that Sprowell was the architect of the Y2K disaster.

He pretends it was deceptive of me to post an abridged version of his earlier video (even though I prominently labeled it an abridgement and posted a clear link to the unedited version). And he claims people who have watched the full video don't think there was anything wrong with the tone or substance in the places where he was berating John MacArthur.

So Prasch clearly can't and won't admit even the slightest error. He's craving a public debate with "McGarther" (over an obscure 32-year-old sound bite), but why would any sane person debate someone so clearly impervious to simple facts?

And here's yet another screaming Prasch rant: John Macarthur - Mark of the Beast - Revelation 14:9-11. Revelation 16:1-2/9/11

Prasch clearly knows about the reply I wrote about this issue on the GTY blog last year ( http://www.gty.org/Blog/B131030 ) Yet he hasn't addressed any of the points I made.

Oh, and one more thing: Prasch's continuing insistence that "R. C. Sprowell" was the chief architect of the Y2K hysteria is just absolutely bizarre. He should ask his friend Chuck Missler, who was the true front-runner in all the weird evangelical scare-mongering about that issue. Missler might be able to set him straight that it was Gary North, not "R. C. Sprowell," who published all the doomsday predictions about Y2K.

Prasch seems bent on making himself a laughingstock the same way the Y2K fearmongers did, so I don't know why he thinks this would be a reason to scold someone else anyway.
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On his website, Prasch boasted,

"Interestingly, once those who had viewed the unedited original challenged Johnson’s edited version as deceptive, Mac Arthur’s supporters abruptly went silent on the comments blog. Mr. Johnson’s dishonest actions make it appear that John Mac Arthur is running away scared from a debate."

Obviously, that was never true, and it further illustrates Prasch's inability (or unwillingness) to see things he doesn't want to believe. Every complaint from his fan base both here and on my FaceBook page has been answered, some of them more than once. Meanwhile, on the Moriel Ministries FaceBook page, every post that questions or disagrees with Prasch's trash-talk about MacArthur and Sproul is immediately scrubbed from existence and the poster gets banned.

This is not an objective man. Prasch cannot abide people who disagree with him.
And look: now the Praschites who swarmed this forum seem to have fallen strangely silent.
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"now the Praschites who swarmed this forum seem to have fallen strangely silent"

That’s because your not making any objective sense your video overlays are childish and stupid. The only person I think that has gone strangely silent is John MacArthur. I heard John teach the things Jacob asserts on this video. Jacob may not have quoted everything with 100% accuracy that aside you are missing the point Mr Phil Johnson!
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It's interesting to see the scattered comments from people who think Mr. Prasch has been treated unfairly. Follow the links to those posters' profiles or web pages, and (with the exception of those who have purposely remained anonymous), every one of them is an ardent Prasch acolyte.  (That's obvious because they have plastered links to Prasch's teaching all over their FaceBook pages or websites)

Moreover, all the comments claiming Prasch didn't receive a fair hearing from me parrot (almost robotically) things Prasch himself has said in his own defense--and not one of them acknowledges that there's anything amiss with Prasch's rhetoric or attitude toward John MacArthur. Prasch clearly doesn't like his followers to think for themselves.

To those people: welcome anyway. I'm praying for you, that you will learn to be like the Bereans.
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+Gates Collins interesting you could not answer what I asked above as to where in the bible it says that you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved. This is the whole reason for Prasch calling out McArthur in the first place.........."9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Revelations 14:9-11

Your belief that the way Prasch called out McArthur is wrong? Interesting the way John the baptist called out the Pharisees who were in error ........."7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire."..Matthew 3: 7-9  or Jesus calling out those in error......Matthew 23:33........"33"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? 34"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,…....

You seem to forget I already posted that I sat under both McArthur as well as Prasch's teachings at the exact same time, we attended Grace as well as listening to Prasch's teachings via podcasts. Prasch called out McArthur on his error with Revelation 14 and as I follow scripture and not a specific man I had to agree with Prasch's analysis of the scripture. When I could not find scripture to support McArthur's view, we ended up leaving McArthur's church. I personally wanted to stay at his church (Grace) because he is extremely smart and is usually spot on with the scriptures but this issue with Revelations 14 and the mark of the beast was a deal breaker for us, we cannot sit under such error. 

Lastly your whole premise above and telling me to repent reminds me of this scripture......."They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. 3"These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me.…...John 16:2
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I have listened to this message a few times over and recommended it many times....powerful truth laid out so well! 
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The handguns aren't the scary part. The bigger story here is the religious cult these girls grew up in. Watch out for their ilk. They are unhinged and aggressive--not really the best argument for free and easy open-carry laws.

See: http://www.atruecult.com/dfishfaq.htm#dangerous
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Some questions for those who are suddenly exercised over a 32-year-old sound bite from John MacArthur on the "Mark of the Beast":

Why doesn’t Jacob Prasch interpret Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Revelation 21:8 and similar passages with the same absolute inviolability he wants to impose on Revelation 14:9-11?

Furthermore, doesn’t Ezekiel 18:21-22 give a promise that automatically qualifies every threat of destruction in Scripture?

And when Jesus Himself says that only one very specific sin is unpardonable, why INSIST on shoehorning the Mark of the Beast into that category too?
 
And once more: Why in the world is a totally hypothetical scenario like this such a humongous issue with Jacob Prasch and friends that they would be willing to consign John MacArthur to the eternal flames over it? Does Prasch not believe the sin of adultery is forgivable? If so, and if he acknowledges that fact, does he think he is thereby guilty of encouraging people to commit adultery? And if he doesn’t think he’s guilty of that, why does he apply a different standard to MacArthur?
 
This whole dispute is an artificial scandal, and the vehemence with which Mr. Prasch and his disciples have sought to enflame ill feelings over it does them no credit.
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+Psalm 119:105 You said, "To hypothesize beyond the warning given, is foolish."

That is exactly right!  Dr. MacArthur was responding to a hypothetical question that dealt with the single act of taking the mark and excluded "worship". And the second part of the hypothetical substitutes the "lost" with the elect or the saved. To be clear, the verse in question is dealing with the lost, not the saved or the elect who were substituted as the "subjects" for purposes of the hypothetical.

I have yet to see you or any of your friends take these known facts into consideration. And I have not seen any of you friends conclusions address the hypothetical presented in terms of their beliefs being in direct conflict with Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Simply put, the verse deals with the lost and as you would expect they worship the beast, the idol "AND" take the mark.

The hypothetical excludes the worship of the beast and the idol. It hypothesizes that a believer or one of the elect (for some unspoken reason) takes the mark.

The hypothetical question posed now asks if a believer takes ONLY the mark, can they be forgiven? Under these set of conditions Matthew 12:31 says YES.

Your fractured fairy tale of Dr. MacArthur teaching heresy is beyond a quantum leap in logic and reeks of an attempt to not only defame a great man but to call Christ a liar. That is quite a price to pay in order to satisfy your ill intent!

 
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Prasch is right to be embarrassed about this video excerpt. But he is dead wrong to suggest that it was roguishly edited to try to put him UNFAIRLY in a bad light. Mr. Prasch himself DID say everything highlighted in the above video. His words have not been surreptitiously cut and pasted into sentences he never said. The edited video simply retains (in order)  the sections where he went off on John MacArthur in a pugnacious or irrational way.

Indeed, this DOES make his shameful tactics and bad attitude as obvious as possible, but no one is putting any words in his mouth. This excerpt from his video was posted with an acknowledgment that it is greatly abridged, and when it was first posted, we included a prominent link back to the full sermon so that anyone who wanted to could examine the context. Nothing has been done in any way to mislead to viewers. We have simply highlighted the parts from the original video that show most clearly why the conflict Jacob Prasch wants to pursue is simply not worth John MacArthur’s time.

On his website, Prasch claims that "once those who had viewed the unedited original challenged Johnson’s edited version as deceptive, Mac Arthur’s supporters abruptly went silent on the comments" here. Really? I don't know who is a "MacArthur supporter" and who is not, but it still seems to me that the responses here are dominated by people remarking about what a sad and ridiculous outburst this was in the first place.

I agree with the majority on this one.
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I disagree. In editing it you're clearly skirting the issue and hiding what was actually said In Context.
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Prasch is consistently like this, just watch him on bible prophecy stuff; which is what he has really become known for in certain circles (ie Calvary Chapel).
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Amen! Thanks so much for posting this! I had the privilege of being there (The 2014 SC) along with my grown, shepherding son. It was an amazing and encouraging experience: Johny M preaching his Biblical heart out in the emergency-light lit darkness and 3000+ shepherds siting in the twilight taking it all in, all for God's glory and our best good. PTL :)
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This morning on FB:@DrMichaelLBrown parries, thrusts, misses: http://t.co/i8xF8jXpqH
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Your "baby in the bathwater?"  talk was superb. With the weight of all the biblical evidence given across all the talks at the conference, my semi-charismatic mother was turned from that position. Can only hope the scales fall from the eyes of the prominent promoters of charismaticism. That would be a miracle worthy of note.
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