“Really? You dont see a graphical difference between ps3s first games and the last of us...or beyond: two souls, black flag, ghost.”
Placebo effect…one which further demonstrates that it takes devs years to excrete games which are somewhat acceptable on antiquated console hardware, due to that hardware’s limitations…which, as you know, can never be upgraded. Take GTA IV and V…even after several years with so much work, V is only slightly better looking (well, at least on my 360) and mostly because the RAGE engine was somewhat modified. Let's not give the PS3 or 360 credit which it doesn't deserve.
”This "optomization"...you speak of is "nonsense" because you dont understand what youre about.”
Excuse you? It’s not just nonsense, it’s also a huge marketing scam which the suckers are still falling for…the notion that a console’s limited hardware can outperform even a modest gaming rig is absolutely ridiculous.
”YES "optimization" occurs every new console because game developers get better at memory management or for noobs..."how shit gets stored and sent to the graphics card and back again".”
Wrong…“optimization” with regard to memory management is nothing more than a sham. Games have to be reduced in order to run properly because you’re dealing with extremely limited resources: reducing resolution, reducing / locking the frame-rates, reducing texture sizes (as well as filtering), reducing model poly counts and outright limiting / reducing the number of particles in a given scene, etc. This has nothing to do with some magical “optimization” on console hardware which, if we’re being honest, is already outdated as soon as it’s released.
“Which, in turn, allows them to display more and more textures, and process more and more physics. So think all you want to about it all being nonsense...but really thats just ignorant.”
What’s ignorant is your absurd notion that a reduction can yield superior results and, as if by magic, more textures / more physics can materialize out of thin air toward the end of a console’s lifecycle. What sorcery is this? Perhaps you can give us the incantation so we can cast a RAM spell or something. Don’t believe the illusionists at $ony and Micro$oft, lad…it’s all smoke and mirrors.
”PC overclocking only affects frame rate BTW.”
Higher FPS offer a smoother gaming experience…the visual difference in graphics per se may not necessarily be “better,” but it is noticeable. Play the same game on PC at 30 FPS and then at 60 FPS…the difference can’t be denied unless you’re completely blind.
“Which doesnt improve graphics, texture, or physics.”
Oh, and an “optimization” (reduction) on consoles does? Again, what sorcery is this?
“So, its not going to look any better than their highest settings.”
Perhaps not to you, but I’m willing to bet most PC gamers would rather game at the highest possible settings. It may not be because the graphics “look better,” but you can be sure the gaming experience can be far more enjoyable to those who have higher standards or expectations.
“Your PC wont create textures and graphics that werent included with the game just because you overclocked your CPU.”
Same can be said for consoles…you know, those “optimized” toys for casual gamers which can’t even be overclocked. Yeah man, better textures / graphics just seem to fall from the sky and land directly in consoles toward the end of their lifecycle…I mean, who could doubt this, right? Absolutely amazing...
”I am an AVID PC gamer.”
Are you quite certain? Most avid PC gamers know what a sham console "optimization” really is.
“So, dont think Im picking the console side.”
Relax, I didn’t accuse you of it...this isn’t a platform war and I understand you game on several as I do.
“All my post was about was that pound per pound. 1mb of ram vs 1mb of ram.”
All Ram is created equal, huh? There’s no difference between, say, 32GB of Corsair PC3-10666 1333MHz and 32GB of G.Skill PC3-24000 3000MHz? Just between us…which would you rather have in your rig if they’re, “pound per pound,” exactly the same?
“The console will utilize it much better.”
Which would hardly matter if you have 4 to 8 times as much...don’t tell me 8 gigs on PS4 / XB1 is “better” or “more powerful” than 32 or 64 on PC (especially since even 32 is overkill right now…heck, 64 would be twice as ridiculous for mere gaming and totally unnecessary).
“Because it doesnt have to run 300 windows processes in the background.”
So, nothing can be disabled in Windows to improve resource or memory management…especially, if your hardware is more than sufficient or several times more powerful? Not for nothing, but what “avid PC gamer” games on Windows “as is?” I haven’t met one yet. Congratulations, lad…you’re probably the first one to do so.
“Which...going back to my original point...means you cant really compare specs between pc and consoles the same way.”
Of course you can’t…but you also can’t claim that a console’s memory management is vastly superior to a PC (one which is optimized for gaming and running on vastly superior / upgradeable hardware). I see you like the term "optimized”…just bare in mind that a PC can be “optimized” for gaming too. I’ll buy your “optimization” argument the day a console can run GTA IV modded to hell and back, with HD textures, iCEnhancer and more mods than I care to remember…at 60 FPS or higher, and at max settings. Fair enough? Good, let’s continue…
“Either way Ill take my GTX 780 over a PS4 anyday.”
Same here…2 GTX 780 Ti will serve me well for years to come and probably outperform the PS5 too. There hasn’t been a huge leap in graphics between PS3 and PS4…I seriously doubt we’ll see a huge leap with the “next gen,” though I’m sure the fanboys will claim differently because they always do. That placebo effect can be extremely intoxicating…
“Because when they finally get better graphics than my GPU can handle Ill just add another GTX 780.”
But why bother? If I understand correctly, you assume that consoles will be magically “optimized” in a few years and vastly superior to PCs because TLoU looked sooooooooo wonderful toward the end of the PS3’s lifecycle. No doubt, by 2016, PS4’s CPU will be soooooooo much faster than Intel’s Skylake. Man, I need to learn this alchemy so I can perform such “optimized” rituals too. Fuck almighty…can I have some of your Kool-Aid? You’ve really made me thirsty...
I think we’re done here.