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I have loved things about you and I have hated things about you and there is a lot I don't understand about you. I will not pray for you.

These words were tweeted last week by a 23 year old journalist. For these words in that tweet, this 23 year old journalist may soon die. Put to death by the state.

Almost immediately after the tweet he started receiving death threats for these words.

The journalist apologized and deleted the tweet. Still the death threats came in. He fled his country for Malaysia.

The Saudi authorities asked for his return so that he can be punished for his "crimes". Fortunately for the journalist Saudi Arabia does not have formal extradition procedures with Malaysia.

Fortunate also for this journalist is that his attorney won an injunction in the Malaysian courts preventing his deportation until the case can be heard in Malaysia.

Unfortunate for this journalist, none of that matters. The rule of law doesn’t matter in Malaysia. The government is deporting him to Saudi Arabia just the same where he will be tried for blasphemy and where he could receive the death penalty.

I am begging you, please do not stand by and do nothing while this man’s life hangs in the balance.

What’s at stake :

1. This man’s life
2. Internet freedom
3. Freedom of expression
4. Freedom of the press
5. Freedom of conscience

I hope all journalists, writers, and everyone that cares about his fellow man will not allow this most inhumane killing to take place.

Please do the following :

1. Share this post
2. join the page +Save Hamza Kashgari
3. Organize and make suggestions
4. Let’ find a way together to save his life

I’m hoping for support from +INTERNET FREEDOM +RSFRIP +*** and any all journalists and journalist organisations and most importantly you.

Together we can make a difference. Let’s try.

Thank you

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Perhaps of interest to +Amnesty International USA

Edit: Hamza Kashgari released after nearly two years in prison without trial on October 29, 2013.
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The guy makes as much sense as any prophet I've ever read.
 
What the Hell is going on? How can you kill a man for his TWITTER FEED?! ...I don't get it. +wtf
 
+Kristen Lolli Not only that but when you read what he wrote too. It's not offensive at all. Plus he even deleted and apologized for it. And they even tracked him down half way around the world just to bring him back to kill him.
 
I just don't understand the level of hate some people attribute to their religion. It makes no sence. If the God is as cruel as the followers, id rather die than worship that. shrug to each their own, but DAMN.
 
Yes, the problem +Kristen Lolli is how many people will now be forced into this. No freedom to express any thought critical or even slightly questioning the established dogma.
 
It is pointless. You can't stop the signal. If someone has an opinion, it will be read, it will be heard, it will be reposted. They are only creating a martyr (sp?). This will grow, and evolve, and people will scream for justice. Then, once again, the murderers will hide behind religion, and walk free to kill again. Its depressing. The cycle won't end until tollerance is the worlds dominating religion. I wish I could make it so.
 
I have always chosen the "to each their own path" stance on things, but this, seems to me, to be nothing but fear. Fear that the accusers are a dying breed, and that the practices and words will become history. More and more we are seeing people speaking out, and demanding that their leaders choose what is right, instead of what is written in an archeic book. I just hope I'm alive to see the new world.
 
sigh this is sad news. I will light a candle for him, and burn a rose in his honor. I do not believe you and I can save him. I just wish we could. Maybe Obama can gant him amnesty? hopeful face
 
Damn strait we should. I'll get up and scream at those people if a translator will literally say what I'm saying. Wouldn't that bake their noodle? LOL white female pagan screaming at them... (lol-ing thinking about it) So, who do we write to? Who do we call? Start a petition for amnesty then? How?
 
+Kristen Lolli As I said in my post, I don't know how but I've started a page +Save Hamza Kashgari to unite the people wanting to try. I've created a save hamza circle and for now I've asked people to get this message out.
 
For what it's worth, the Saudis will do what they want to do and nothing you do will change anything. What is more, the US government will not do anything either. Of course, I understand why you may wish to try.
 
I do wish. I wish a great many things. Intellectually, I am well aware that my opinion, for what its worth, will go unnoticed, and given no creadence, however, that being said, I am a very loud-mouthed bitch. At least word will spread. At least the poor kid will have spiritual backing. Creating a martyr is a dangerous thing. They tend to create more damage than they solve. shrug just saying.
 
+Hassan Al Shouli I think it's natural to understand why, it's all about human decency. What would be hard to understand is someone not wanting to try. Don't you want to see him saved from this terrible injustice ?
 
Well the injustice hasn't happened yet. But yes, I would like to see him saved and I will sign another petition. I would also like to see the death sentence abolished in America. However, the chances of my signature influencing either matter is zero.
 
It isn't even decency. It's preservation of all things necessary for advancement. Our world is one rock. We share this planet. In order for us collectively to mature, to live harmoniously, things like this, need to stop. Peace and understanding come from open exchange. Ideas mature and expand through discussion and critical thinking. Not death penalties. Not fear. Fear leads to anger and panic. Where will this world be in 5 years? 10? 20 years? Without the right to express ones self, we will be stuck here. On Google+ trying to fix a world who's future has already been decided.
 
+Kristen Lolli I agree. If you search for "Hamza Kashgari" or "Hamza Kashgary" on Twitter you will see that a lot of liberal Muslims have been tweeting about this since this morning. Many from my own country. But, do not read into this that the majority of people in Islamic countries support complete freedom of speech or that the people who support the criminalisation of blasphemy support the death penalty as a punishment.
 
+Hassan Al Shouli I see. I don't really understand the Muslim adversity towards freedom of speach though. Perhaps if I had their perspective, I could begin to see... I have never understood blasphemy either, for that matter. Perhaps it is because the term is foreign to me in general. The idea that speaking out against religion can be considered criminal, it absolutely confounds me. In most cases, I can step back from my own opinions, and look at a situaltion from all sides. This time, however, it is proving difficult. Almost frightenly so.
Side note: what country are you from? Just curious.
 
Oh dear. That may be the part they wanted him for... if indeed he did say something about the Saudi royals...
 
Anything we can do to bring awareness to this case will matter. Think Troy Davis.
 
+Kristen Lolli I am from Jordan and I was born and live in Dubai. Many countries have blasphemy laws. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law - I think it was only a few months ago that Benetton pulled ads because of pressure from the Vatican. In many countries hate speech is illegal, in others holocaust denial is illegal, etc. If the majority of a population or a society wish laws to curtail the freedom of speech, what's the problem?
 
+Hassan Al Shouli Curtailment of freedom of speech is not based on the idea that is because of the will of the majority.
 
+Hassan Al Shouli I've read the translation of his tweets from the page that you provided. I don't see anything that is blasphemous. I'm not sure I even see anything that is insulting to the prophet. Do you know of anyone that has explained what specifically is insulting and how ?
 
+Euro Maestro If it is not the will of a majority, then it can be wrong. But irrespective of the will of the majority, things like hate speech, should be curtailed.
 
Ooooh Dubai... I have never had the pleasure, but I hear it is AMAZING...
But, to the point, it underminds the ability of expression. What's next? Art being pulled from the walls? Or penis' being hacked off of statues? Oh wait... the popes already done that... The Vatican. Don't get me started on the Vatican. smh
If the majority wants to live without the ability to express themselves, I would ask why. I would also be curious as to where the concept origionated.
Without going into detail the psychological effects ALONE are enough to make me shudder.
As I peviously stated, I cannot wrap my mind around someone, let alone many someones who would prefer to not have freedom of speach. My ignorance here is my handicap.
 
It was lovely talking to you gentlemen, and I would very much like to discuss these opinions with you further, but I must make breakfast for my hungry family. Feel free to email me @ kristen.lolli@gmail.com I look forward to our discussions.
 
+Hassan Al Shouli Yes, I understand the argument for outlawing hate speech. I'm just saying the basis is not the will of majority.
 
Btw... it was nice to have educated, intelligant people to speak with.
 
+Euro Maestro I hope I have shared some information which you find of use/interest and good luck with your campaign.
 
I'm curious to learn about the blasphemous part: Like you +Euro Maestro, I could not detect something in the available information. Regardless of the crime itself, I cannot support death sentences.
 
+Nico Gerrits There is a post of all his tweets on the subject. I don't even see anything that is either insulting or blasphemous. And the attackers are not even making any references to anything specific that he said.
 
Maybe the means are being adapted to the end...
Quote from http://saudijeans.org/2012/02/08/hamza-kashgari/:
While I understand how many Muslims would take offense at anything that touches the prophet, I don’t think it explains the whole story. Yes, many feel strongly about such matters and therefor they reacted accordingly. However, it is clear that many on the right decided to take advantage of the incident to score points and make political gains. It was a low hanging fruit.
 
BTW, I didn't give my view. Here it is, the whole case is monstrous: the baying for blood, the extradition (what was Malaysia playing at?) and the potential penalty.
 
there are many rules in human rights says:
no one has right to insult or make fun of religion, worship or prophet. and he did it.
 
Malaysia... Return to Paradise.

Must be pretty easy to have an X or a rival executed over there. Just hack their tweeter account and say a few things. What a nightmare.
 
For us nothing is more then our Prophet (SWA). If he said any thing which you have mentioned in this post, then he must die. there is only one punishment for blaspheming that is death, not less or more to that.
 
Ehhhhh..............! And who grants you permission to kill another human being?
 
It was inevitable that this thread would degenerate. My advice is to mute it, as I am now.
 
+Jasmina Nellestijn Islam is the religion sent by Allah (God). and every rule is set by Allah not human. so this rule is also not set by us....
remember we don't kill human being, but will not let to live any body who said some thing blaspheming about our Prophet (SWA), specially if a muslim do that.
 
aaaaw did Muhammad get his little feelings hurt? WAIT Muhammad is on TWITTER? well Muhammad 'ol buddy thats the trouble with those public profiles and posts you cant get you feelings hurt. Now be a big profit and suck it up.
 
+Matt McKean there is no room for public opinion in religion. religion run on rules and this is against the rule of our religion
 
+UBAID KHAN

I would still like to know which phrase he said that you find merits death, please be specific. 
 
Killing someone for offering a different opinion isn't brave at all. It shows a fear that the other person's views might actually make more sense and convince others to follow.
 
+Euro Maestro I am not expert of our religion and this is also not requirement of our religion, so sorry can't give you phrase. but this is understated for every muslim that no forgive for such a man.
as I am not supporting this therefor going to mute this post.
 
"...every rule is set by Allah not human" (Ubaid Khan). Isn't this statement itself a blasphemy? Then the correct statement would be, every rule is set by human in the belief it is inspired by Allah. And human interpretation could misleading.
 
This is serious. Spoken word should never be limited. In the Middle East, the newspapers only print what the government will allow. Stories are altered from the truth & journalists who dare to print the facts as they are are persecuted. In an environment such as this, with Malaysia being such a strong Islamic state, what hope does freedom of expression have unless we stand up for people such as Hamza Kashgari. Please join this page, make a difference in the world.
 
+UBAID KHAN please, I've had the utmost difficulty understanding why a man should be put to death for those words he wrote on the internet. I think I speak for a few people when i ask you, someone who clearly agrees this man should die, for a concrete explination of why what he said is blasphemous.

And a personal question...if you yourself dont understand what it is that makes this man worthy of death because your religion doesnt "require you to be an expert" then for what reason do you think a man should die?
 
+Ryan Bartke

I've read the tweets that are ascribed to him. None of them denounce the teachings of the prophet. That's why I have asked on many occasions for some examples or even one example of these insults. So far no one has provided an example. 
 
I wonder how the trial will go for this guy?
 
+Ryan Bartke Again, even if the words are geared towards Allah and Islam. I don't see where the insult is. I want to know which phrase is insulting. I don't see anything remotely insulting in what he tweeted.
 
For all those who eschew Christianity but embrace Islam, this is simply a preview of what happens when it comes to a theater near you.
 
When religion becomes the state you cannot have diversity. When you do it becomes a threat to the state.

In the history of the world there has never been a state run by a religion that tolerated diversity. Diversity = threat = death.

I have a hard time grasping that most Muslims would agree to kill this gentleman but just like the terrorists in their city's and towns they are too afraid to stand up. It will never change as it has not in 1000's of years in that culture. Although I am hopeful that with the technology increase of mobile tech and the internet the people in those lands over time will gain knowledge, education, and a diverse perspective of the world which can change things as we have seen in the resent uprisings in the Middle East.

May that which you see as your maker give you the strength to love those that agree with you and have mercy and compassion for those that do not.
 
+Shauna Myers Even if he gets a trial, it won't necessarily be fair. The accused are often deprived of any legal counsel for trials and are not even apprised of legal proceedings.
 
Yeah that's what I am afraid of. Given a fair trial, it will be hard to prove without backups of his twitter feed, that the journalist did anything at all. I wonder what the due process is to subpoena the records, but at least he would be given more time.
 
Oh, and there can always be "accidents" that happen while he is in jail.
 
+Ryan Bartke

I don't see any denouncement of Islam in his words.

I wish someone would tell me which phrase they are talking about. 
 
not to offend Muhammad (who is apparently a very sensitive profit...,prophet? whatever) but YAAAAAWN dont you all have some women to stone for being raped or something
 
+Ryan Bartke

If you know what the offender was to either Islam or Muhammad, could you let me know ? I still don't see it. 
 
+Ryan Bartke you are WAY over thinking anything i have said the truth be told watching paint dry will hold my interest longer than this ranting
 
+Ryan Bartke

I don't have any paint to watch. Can you please tell me which phrase poses the problem. I don't see it. 
 
and good luck to this thread and to the man whos life and thoughts some would attempt to dictate and control in the name of some religion
 
+Matt McKean

I totally understand that there was nothing offensive about what he said.

I'm asking the people who are claiming that it is offensive to tell me which phrase is offensive. So far no one has been capable of doing that.

One came on earlier insisted that he absolute merited death for what he said.

When I asked him which sentence he said merited death, he responded by saying that he could not say because he was not an expert in religion.

Apparently only expert enough to have no doubt about taking this man's life but not knowing why. 
 
Backward countries whos laws beliefs and people do not have freedom of speach,and they wonder why the arab spring.I dont fear them i should,but they can only kill me once,death is the begining not the end.The Almighty ,allah whatever your name for god is dosnt bother me because i know where im going,every man is my brother,but you dont have to like your brother.
 
request political asylum in the US
 
Why was the tweet offensive for Islam? I don't understand.
 
+Rosendo Arizpe That's what we'd all like to know. So far none of the people demanding his death have been abe to say why.
 
I think you really need to ask someone with much more knowledge about Islam about this. But if my understanding is correct, this is because in Islam, Muhammad is taken to be the final prophet who brought the Word of God to everybody for all eternity and, in the pursuance of that task, is infallible. That makes Muhammad a person to be greatly revered. I think, based on the fact that Hamza Kashgari in essence pointed out that Muhammad is a flawed individual and suggested that he would great Muhammad not as a Great Prophet, but as one would greet a friend, would be considered an insult to Muhammad. Don't forget that Muhammad is revered to the point that Muslims appear to always suffix "peace be upon him" when referring to him.
 
+U-Ming Lee You raise a good point but it was not my understanding that he was considered infallible, I thought he was considered a man, a prophet yes, but still a man.
 
Infallible in the sense that he has received God's message perfectly and has transmitted God's message without error. But yes, fallible in the sense that he still made some mistakes.
 
+U-Ming Lee Yes and this journalist's tweets are not even in conflict with that. I still haven't heard what specifically anyone objects to, would love to know.
 
My guess is that the "I will not pray for you" sentence is contentious one, or perhaps "I have hated things about you".
 
And I believe there are actually three tweets that are being used to build the case against him.


"On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you," Hamza Kashgari wrote in one tweet.

"On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of you, hated others, and could not understand many more," he wrote in a second.

"On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more," he concluded in a third.
 
Yes +U-Ming Lee I also see 3 now. Well, I will not pray for you is not an insult. I'm not even convinced that saying I have hated things about you is an insult but I suppose that is debatable. The translation I saw for the third post was different than this one.
 
+Euro Maestro hello friend, I see this thread has picked up an intellectual responder again :) hello +U-Ming Lee. The ideas that he brought up can be seen as insults if looked at as blasphemy. (sp?) Good morning BTW. :)
 
Ah "I will not pray for you" it is a common phrase apparently (I pray for you, that is)
 
+Kristen Lolli Are you able to explain why that phrase would be blasphemous ? We have already had one person on here that said the opposite.
 
I'd love to hear it. So far no one has been able to cite even one reason.
 
Oh my google! The Saudis make Chinese dictators look like angels, although the Chinese government has recently sentenced a poet in jail for 7 years for subverting the state.

Something I'm shocked is that the majority of Saudi twitter users are demanding his arrest, while in China twitter users are the most liberal. Isn't it because twitter is not blocked in Saudi Arabia therefore it is actually a populist platform?
 
+Euro Maestro I have just reshared it in my stream. If there is another UN referendum on this matter, I hope China will not object again. :-)
 
Your one of my top 3 favorite posters. Of course I'm going to share this for you.
 
+Brian Locke

I'm honored. Thanks so much for the feedback it helps me to try to post better. 
 
+U-Ming Lee I think you are right those 3 they thought offensive but I dont think they are that bad esp when he deleted them +Kristen Lolli I circled you for your outraged rant You cant kill someone for their Twitter feed! If only everybody was as sensible as you!
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