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Not sure about medieval spear men but hoplites did not use their spears underarm. No way. Why? The phalanx was designed for up close fighting, face to face. Try to imagine wielding a spear under arm when your shield to shield with an enemy and your fellow hoplites shields are against your back bracing against the push. Your elbow would be hitting those behind you. Your spear would either be under your own shield or wedged on the side between your shield and the guy next to you. So you couldn't thrust at angles like is said. Worse yet your thrust would be going low to high. Explain how you are going to seriously wound an enemy when shield are pressed against each other? your spear would either be forced up or down and pinned either vertical or angled at the ground. So the only injuries you would create would be the enemies feet. While their thrusting at your face. So the spear was thrust from the top of the shield, had to be. The problem with the under arm thrust above shoulder level is look at the elbow, your elbow would be hitting the guys shield or head behind you when you tried to draw back preparing for a thrust.

I agree the underarm thrust is more stable and has more force but it couldn't work in a mass phalanx fight. The reason over hand was used is the simple fact that you need your spear above the press of shields and bodies so you can actually thrust forward and back. Thrusting down at the enemies face and neck while their shields are pinned against yours. 

Don't believe me? Get a few people with some make shift shields and some thing to stand in for spears at least 6 foot long then split into two groups. Line up three deep have one side hold over hand and the other under arm then press against each other and push try to push the other group back wards then see who can thrust better.

THIS VIDEO IS FINE FOR SOLO FIGHTING OR SCENARIOS WHERE BOTH ARMIES MAINTAIN A DISTANCE BUT IF THE ENEMY CLOSE FACE TO FACE THE UNDER-ARM THRUST LOSES ALL BENEFITS AND BECOMES A BURDEN. WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? YOU CANNOT KEEP A PHALANX AT BAY WITH SPEARS.

EXAMPLE: YOUR ARMIES SPEARS HELD UNDER-ARM WOULD BE STRIKING MY ARMIES HOPLONS AND GLANCING UP OR DOWN DUE TO THE CONVEX SHAPE OF THE SHIELD AND FORWARD MOMENTUM OR SIMPLY SHATTERING DUE TO THE FORCE OF IMPACT WITH A FORMATION 8-DEEP UNIFORMLY PUSHING FORWARD. MEANWHILE MY ARMIES SPEARS ARE  HELD OVER-HAND UP OUT OF THE WAY UNTIL THEY COLLIDE, THEN MY ARMY BEGINS STRIKING DOWN WHILE PUSHING YOUR ARMY BACK WARDS AND STEAM ROLLING OVER THEM. AS YOUR ARMY IS PUSHED BACKWARDS FALLING OVER BACKWARDS MY ARMY TRAMPLES THEM AND THE REAR RANKS USE THEIR SAUROTER TO FINISH OFF YOUR TRAMPLED SOLDIERS ALSO THIS IS WHY HOPLITES CARRIED SHORT STABBING SWORDS OR XIPHOS, FOR FACE TO FACE KILLING. THAT IS WHY THE "PUSH" OR "MOMENTUM" OF A PHALANX WAS ITS KILLING POWER NOT THE SPEAR THRUST. THAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THE OVER HAND DORY IN PHALANXES.
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+Amanda Tipton It didn't evolve into the Roman gladius. They are on separate evolutionary chains, much like birds and lizards.

Various Greek historians and people that actually study combat have stated the Spartans leaders were cocky, charged in, the leaders died, morale dropped, they broke. I'll take my information from people who actually understand combat rather than someone who very clearly doesn't.

Are you saying that the Greeks would ram their spears into the enemy shields? No one is foolish enough to purposely strike a shield with the full force of a charge as it would do a whole lot of nothing for you. 

As for the charge, note that I said against other phalanxes. Take note of how much attention that charge at Marathon got. If charging was a common thing, a passing mention of an extended charge would be all. Abnormal occurrences get more attention than normal ones, which is pretty good evidence to support the idea that hoplites didn't generally charge (the creation of the "Hoplite Run" Olympic event after Marathon also supports this).

The phalanx is not a shoving force and only idiots who don't understand how combat works think that. The phalanx is a heavy spear wall. Spear walls were very common sights on the Bronze-Age battlefield and the phalanx is a natural evolution of it. The Macedonian phalanx is a progression of the Greek phalanx. If the Greeks were trying to lean on each other (can't physically push when crushed between shields, nor can you actually use your weapons so leaning is all you can do), how would the pike phalanx evolve from that?

Modern combat is nothing like ancient combat. It is quite clear you haven't don't much reading on history, at least not of decent sources, by just how far from reality your "understanding" is. 

When you have rows of spears, you can't just march up face to face with the foe. You must first get past those spears. A wall of spears is an effective wall, hence why so many cultures used them.

Depth is quite useful in battle. It gives a morale boost, helps physically prevent your soldiers from routing, makes it harder for the foe to penetrate (either by cutting through or by pushing through with a charge), helps intimidate the foe as they will be up against that many more foes locally, and they can fill gaps made in the line. When it comes to pushing, having 50 ranks is meaningless as the vast majority won't be able to do anything (diminishing returns plays a role, and having more pushers means more force meaning the men at the front can't move, fight, or even breathe). A commonly overlooked fact is that the Sacred Band was the front-line, meaning that flank was a fight between elite warriors.
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Nothing like the flu to slow you down and activate your creative side. Whipped these slippers up yesterday with an I hook and worsted yarn.  Basic how to notes below. 10 hdc around 2 hdc in each hdc  Hdc, 2hdc, hdc, 2hdc, repeat 4th row worked evenly. 5-11 ...
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