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Why the fuck would a service designed to host and display your content need permission to host and display your content?????

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1. upload files
2. can't download after they change the TOS to make him happy
3. 5 star service
4. profit
 
Without the same TOS he wouldn't have been able to post that comment. LOL...
 
You know people fail at reading. If the first paragraph of the terms it give you the same rights at sky drive and drop box... the only difference Google basically asks you in advance to use your content for using their service...
 
Idiots like MrCubbins shouldn't be allowed to use the internet.
 
It's a legitimate concern. If a photographer stores his photos in Google Drive they can't retain their copyright because you're essentially giving it to Google to do what they want with it. For a photographer, this is important. Facebook has similar TOS. Of course, you simply don't use the product. It's like buying a banana and complaining it doesn't taste like apple. It's free, why complain?
 
Eric, can you show me in the TOS where you transfer copyright ownership to Google?

Thanks for adding to the FUD though...
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+Eric Tamez If people read the terms of service themselves instead of taking the selective quoting provided by news services such as +CNET, they would see quite clearly that it states, and I quote:

" Your Content in our Services
Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours. "

You can read this for yourself at http://www.google.com/policies/terms/
 
Copyright or not, you grant Google permission to sell your work, use it for advertising etc. What good is copyright going to do you then? 
 
Wonder where he got the idea that dropbox and skydrive are any different. They also have to host and allow its users to view uploaded content after all.
 
+Johan Appelgren He probably got the idea from CNET, which is no doubt his only source for tech news. Poor, poor man.
 
+Søren Siim Nielsen if you don't like it or agree with it... DON'T use it. No one is forcing a gun to your head to use it. I don't use it, because I don't agree with the terms. You don't see my crying about it as there are other alternatives out there.
 
Reginald, if the alternatives are web services the TOS will be the same, regardless of the semantics of them.
 
Dropbox at least will ASK you as a per basis, and not a general we have the rights whenever we want. That is a difference to me. May not be to you, but enough for me. At least I know when and what they are going to be using rather than randomly if ever finding out.
 
No, Drop Box require the same rights as detailed in the GDrive TOS - except in the Drop Box TOS they just give a vague example and then say: "You give us the permissions we need to do those things."

Drop Box require the exact same actual rights, they just word it differently.
 
WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about? Sell your stuff? You think Google want to sell your stuff?
 
+Karl Smith No I don't. But to use Drive, I have to give them permission to do so. Which is what puzzles me. Why the do they need my permission for that?
 
You're missing my point. WHERE THE FUCK do you give Google the permission to sell your stuff according to their TOS?

Perhaps you missed +Ray Wells' direct quote:

"Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours."
 
+Søren Siim Nielsen Nothing in there talks about selling stuff. They use it to promote their stuff. I just don't like the ask once policy is why I don't use it.

+Karl Smith Exactly what is Vague?
https://www.dropbox.com/dmca#terms

By using our Services you provide us with information, files, and folders that you submit to Dropbox (together, “your stuff”). You retain full ownership to your stuff. We don’t claim any ownership to any of it. These Terms do not grant us any rights to your stuff or intellectual property except for the limited rights that are needed to run the Services, as explained below.

We may need your permission to do things you ask us to do with your stuff, for example, hosting your files, or sharing them at your direction. This includes product features visible to you, for example, image thumbnails or document previews. It also includes design choices we make to technically administer our Services, for example, how we redundantly backup data to keep it safe. You give us the permissions we need to do those things solely to provide the Services. This permission also extends to trusted third parties we work with to provide the Services, for example Amazon, which provides our storage space (again, only to provide the Services).

To be clear, aside from the rare exceptions we identify in our Privacy Policy, no matter how the Services change, we won’t share your content with others, including law enforcement, for any purpose unless you direct us to. How we collect and use your information generally is also explained in our Privacy Policy.

You are solely responsible for your conduct, the content of your files and folders, and your communications with others while using the Services. For example, it’s your responsibility to ensure that you have the rights or permission needed to comply with these Terms.

We may choose to review public content for compliance with our community guidelines, but you acknowledge that Dropbox has no obligation to monitor any information on the Services. We are not responsible for the accuracy, completeness, appropriateness, or legality of files, user posts, or any other information you may be able to access using the Services.

If you are talking about paragraph 2 look at paragraph 3 they ensure they will not use anything without your permission and that includes any 3rd party they work with. So if they want to use something of mine with a specific purpose other than what is already outlined they must ask. While Google's policy is we ask once regardless of what it is. That's a huge difference my man.
 
Drop Box give one or two examples and then say "you give us permission to do _stuff like that_". That's kind of vague. The Google Drive TOS just lists it all.
 
I have read it all, and its explained in paragraph 3 outside of what is needed to be done on their servers they MUST ask for permission from YOU.
Google's terms makes no mention and could do what they please if they wanted to.
 
What they please? To what end? If Google made derivative works and copies of your content, for example, what could they then do with that according to the rest of the TOS?

AND do Drop Box ask your permission every time they move or duplicate your content on their servers? Or create a thumbnail?
 
That I understand they need those permissions. Anything BEYOND those is where Google is shady about. They are not specific like Dropbox is as in paragraph 3 on their terms. If they do something outside of what Google does they must ASK for permission as a per case basis. Google doesn't have to and it's too large of a blanket statement without specifics.
 
You think Google are trying to steal your thoughts, and I need to chill?

It's baffling to me that you feel this way and you're here uploading comments on Google+ haha
 
Reg you understand Drop Box need what permissions?
 
+Karl Smith You still don't get it. There are some things I agree with, but there are some things I don't. The stuff I don't want to share with the public I will never use Picasa, Drive, or post them on Google+. I am done with this discussion and it has been muted. Have a nice day.
 
Peace out, brother. Keep spreading that FUD.
 
It's not FUD show me something from Google specifically where outside of their "needed" use they would need to ask you for permission. I haven't seen proof of that once, but Dropbox 3rd paragraph does.
 
Man, I hope Google doesn't sell my CV
 
+Reginald Bowie you give the permission every time by yourself.
For example: If google shares some stuff from your GDrive in public, It's because YOU shared it! So you decided that it goes Online, because you wanted to share it.
Another example why thy have to multiply your Data: GDrive (and all other Cloud services including DropBox) provide more then one Data Center. So to secure your data, they have to copy - or better say backup - it from one center to another - and maybe a third one. So if one crashes, you data is still available. Dropbox does the exact same thing. Or do they call you "Hey there, we're creating a backup of your files, is this ok?" twice or even more often a DAY?
Or if you want grant anybody access to your GDrive, you allow google to grant somebody access to your data. thats the Point. Dropbox does the same, but doesn't write it into it's TOS..
 
You guys are missing the simple solution to cloud storage.... If you don't want anyone to use it encrypt it! and give it a non descriptive name.

eg. My New best selling book.docx could be renamed qwertyuiop12152012.asd after being encrypted. Then google or anyone else has no idea what is in that file let alone what type of file it is.
 
+Hannes Rehburg is exactly right
We don't know if Google will sell personal data - no matter now or future - but apparently they need copying your stuffs to different IDCs around the world
 
Sell personal data? Where are you guys getting this stuff from?
 
Google isn't selling any data. And you know why? It would be stupid for their whole model of how to make money from the users. In fact, google uses your data for its own search algorithms. If they would sell it, they couldn't use it anymore. Maybe that's some quick cash, but not for a long term. It's the whole opposite of how Facebook gets their cash. They have to sell you. That's why you have to grant them all intellectual properties eg for photos.
 
You're spreading FUD too though. Be careful in your specifics. Google don't, nor do they intend to, "sell your data".

They sell/earn against your data. That's a very different thing.
 
Well, in my opinion it won't happen that google will sell any of your data - regardless what kind of information. Actually thats against their TOS, too. But we can't be sure what will happen in the Future. At least, if they want to change the TOS to sell your data, you'll know about it since they have to declare changes in the TOS and you have to accept the changes. If you don't like 'em then, quit using google. That's the simple way. For example i don't like the FB TOS - so I don't use it. Never had an Account there, never will have. Or as Sepultura said: "Refuse! Resist!"
 
Here is a great quote "If You’re Not Paying for It; You’re the Product". This is the same for every free service you use Facebook, Google (insert product here), Twitter. This does not mean they will "sell your data". +Karl Smith is spot on they will earn against your data.

If Google wants to OCR my PDF, see that I'm interested in Cars and show me car adverts I couldn't care less.

My personal opinion is that if you care that Google reads your stuff etc ... you're probably doing dodgy things.
 
+Karl Smith OK I just want to know the reason why Google Drive will have that kind of ToS
If you think I am spreading FUD, I am not going to argue with you anymore because that is not my original purpose
Please just skip my reply
 
I'm getting upset or anything bro - but people get loose with their words, and when others read them they may form an opinion based on inaccuracies.

That's why the whole "Google can sell my data" gets my goat. It's patently ridiculous AND distracting from any actual issue at hand.
 
For the record, I currently use Drive heavily. There's a ton I don't like about it, but haven't had any problems with Google selling my files or data so far :P
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