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Polyamory Vs. Polygamy: A Series of Questions and Dissertation




We've all heard all the thoughts, opinions, and even ignorant rulings and misconceptions about our way of life.  Most don't know anything about it and don't realize they practice some form of it everyday.  Worse, many of those who do will do so in absolute secrecy, or mislabel it as some sort of failure, or even not acknowledge it at all.


My findings, while obsessively studying the subject, being very specific as an INTj, are as follows with the classes of intimate human relationships:



Tier 1


Bigamy - an individual, most commonly a man, benefitting from multiple wives, or various other union, including mild romantic relationships, with multiple women, definitively two.

Bi-gamy stems from the Latin roots bi- and bis-, being two or twice, and the Greek root -gamy, being marriage or otherwise union.


Polyandry - an individual, most commonly a woman, benefitting from multiple husbands, or various other union, including mild romantic relationships, with multiple men.

Poly-andry stems from the Greek roots poly-, being multiple or many, and -andr, being male or masculine.



Tier 2


Monogamy - an individual of any gender identity benefitting from a single spouse, or various other union, including mild romantic relationships, with another individual.

Mono-gamy stems from the Greek roots mon-, being alone or one, and -gamy, being marriage or otherwise union.


Polygamy - an individual of any gender identity benefitting from multiple spouses, or various other unions, including mild romantic relationships, with other individuals.

Poly-gamy stems from the Greek roots poly-, being multiple or many, and -gamy, being marriage or otherwise union.



Tier 3


Polyamory - an individual of any gender identity benefitting from multiple lovers of various degrees, including mild romantic relationships, with other individuals.

Polyamory stems from the Greek root poly-, being multiple or many, and the Latin roots am- and amat-, being love and liking.



Here's where the thought experiment becomes complicated.

I'm sure the bulk of us don't usually identify with Tier 1, at least not anymore.  What I mean is, we want more not only for ourselves, but for our lovers as well.  We make great effort to not succumb to the provocation of jealousy and genuinely extend the branch of freedom.  Though this intention is not always well played out, the point still remains we try.

On a more personal note, I've accomplished this by remaining in a neutral emotional position.  Though I love greatly and often, I don't involve myself with the relationships of other people.  I do this so as not to give myself a reason to be jealous and, therefore, have accomplished not being jealous.  This, of course, may not work for my peers.  Continuing, I don't establish an emotional attachment to things I feel are frivolous and place no restriction or other binding on anyone from doing those things with other people.  I instead use a gender neutral "rules of engagement method."

That method is as follows:


Don't bring me back a baby who isn't mine.  Though conceptions happen, I prefer to raise my own child.  Though this initially appears selfish, it is also natural or somewhat natural.  Human bonds can't be forced, and the consequential responsibilities can be immense.  One must also keep in account another's desire to, or not to, bear children.  That said, though the non parent must accept the child to maintain the relationship, they don't necessarily have to like the situation or actually parent the child.  Forcing that responsibility on the non parent is not fair and very well may dissolve the previously established bonds of trust and fairness.  Trust the non parent to be mature enough to make positive contributions.


Don't bring me back a disease or infection.  This is a respect that should be extended to all.  People should be responsible and considerate enough to practice discretion and safe sex.  Though one cannot control the thoughts and actions of others under normal circumstances, I also would not try to.  It is the responsibility of the exploring lover of the time to adequately protect themselves from infection.  Many may struggle with it morally speaking, but it is not hard to get to know someone and request test results before engaging in sexual acts with them - especially unprotected.


Don't humiliate me.  In the modern world, there are social norms and abnormalities.  I personally consider involving one's self with the loved ones and / or enemies of one's mate(s) abnormal.  Crossing swords with my own brother is not a comforting thought to me - that's just me in particular.  Even less comforting is the idea my lover may be knowingly enjoying the company of my enemy.  I feel an act such as this would stir feelings of jealousy and betrayal, sparking explosive reactions on the emotional spectrum.  One must be scrupulous.  Out of consideration for those you are already involved with, be careful whom you engage intimately and even how many.  For instance, I also consider it abnormal to partake in sexual acts with 180 different partners while in a relationship with me.  If my performance is lacking that much, I'd much rather you leave me and be happier without me.  A situation like the aforementioned can easily make a person feel inadequate, though I am not one to impose restrictions.  I guess I'm saying to use one's better judgment.


Do NOT under any circumstances use me as a tool, commodity, or for personal gain.  If a person is no longer happy with me, it's better to just break up with me.  No one wants to feel like dead weight.  More importantly, no one likes usery.  My feelings for my partner actually mean something to me, and I wish not to be a means to an end.  I seek companionship for emotional support and company on my journey through life, not for status or anything else I feel trivial.


Never abuse me.  This one speaks for itself.



My evolution and successes are due to these understandings.  Now, that list is on a personal note, and I don't expect others to agree with all or even any of them.  However, I feel it beneficial to share a bit of personal experience for the benefit of all and hope to see the same coming from those joining the discussion.

Continuing, a question comes to mind with all that I've learned thus far.  Why?  More specifically, why do we omit, misidentify, or frown upon polygamy?

I think there is some confusion between this word and one that sounds very much like it.  That word is polygyny.  Polygyny stems from the Greek roots poly-, being multiple or many, and gyn- and gynaec-, being woman.  Polygyny and polygamy aren't exactly the same thing; no, polygyny and bigamy are more closely related.  In fact, it's more appropriate to say polygyny is a part of bigamy, since polygyny is specifically multiple female lovers, and bigamy isn't necessarily restricted by the gender of the man's lovers.

I personally view polyamory, on a structural level, to be the peak of human intimacy.  I think it ranks higher than polygamy and is rarely actually accomplished.  Again, this is my personal view.  First, I believe polygamy to have a higher regard for gender while polyamory does not.  I also believe polyamory as a result can easily accomplish the group relationship while polygamy may not have the capacity to truly do so.  For instance, a man / woman pair is romantically involved with another man / woman pair, a woman / woman pair, and a man / man pair; everyone involved are intimately involved with each other.  All the couples are lovers and lovers of other couples, all the men are lovers, and all the women are lovers as well.  This is an example of the group relationship.

It seems to me that polygamy is the tier most people reach today.  Another personal view.  Really I would consider this a cultural limitation, with so much attention to gender relations and identities, and the multitude of personal views concerning homosexuality and its acceptance.  These observations aren't absolute but do maintain consistency with my theory.  The way I see it, polygamy would network the relationships differently, with individuals who are not involved with or loving of one another.  A heterosexual male or female may be present who will not romantically engage persons of the same gender.  This means that not all of the men or women are lovers.

Another concern is that polygamy doesn't necessarily require love be extended to other members of the group.  In a polygamous group, two partners don't have to love each other.  Polyamory seems to not require sex though love seems to be a constant.  For example, two men may love one another and even kiss, but may choose not to sexually engage one another.  In a polygamous group, these two men may simply be associates who are sexually attracted to one another and, therefore, will have sex any number of times and have no deeper involvement.

My ultimate questions are: Do you still view this situation as truly polyamorous?  How heavily do you weigh the term "union?"  After reading this, do you acknowledge polygamy exists?  And, if accepting what I have supposed today, which of the aforementioned classifications do you now believe you actually fall under?

Pleased to meet you all. My name is James but you may call me Jay or Jimmy; I am an egalitarian and, according to this post, I am a polygamist 🙋

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+James Marshall you have blocked one of my moderators. You can petition me directly should you want back in the community. This thread is now closed.
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It's funny how they've already fallen from grace lol Even funnier still is how they acquired any grace in the first place. These men and their constituents have not directly answered a single question in regards to resolving issues in America today. All they've managed to do is muddy the water that much more; something they've obviously set out to do by design.

The funniest part is how the slave minded droves of their followers still hang on to every word of their horse shit like biblical law. They criticize and resist progress, and do so with fallacious information. Even when disputed and debunked, they some how manage to recover gracefully, like some kind of physically disoriented ballerina.

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Speaker of the House John Boehner and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell delivered a disastrous appearance on 60 Minutes, the lowlight of which was their complete inability to discuss the Republican alternative to Obamacare.
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+Nathan Dawson And all of those concerns are unfounded. Sure, those are reasonable questions at first, however, the social healthcare systems around the rest of the world, those countries that have executed them genuinely and properly, have all succeeded in that venture. We ridicule and frown upon Cuba but even they have social healthcare that works. In fact, Michael Moore went and demonstrated that even American citizens can acquire medication while visiting Cuba.

A very special person to me went to Canada this weekend, specifically Toronto, and returned with news that Canada's infrastructure is much better than hours. My ex-girlfriend was actually from Canada. She hated our infrastructure, citing it was primitive, convoluted, and obviously biased in favor of the wealthy and big business. She then promptly moved back to Canada.

France has been placing higher than the States in healthcare rankings for longer than I care to remember. Just as you've pointed out, Boehner and McConnell have not only failed to present a feasible alternative, the right in general has failed to shed light on the history of healthcare in the States for the last 100 years. What's most baffling to me is how many living Americans were, in fact, present during both the Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard Nixon administrations and are strongly opposed to social healthcare.

Millions of people are covered by Medicare and Medicaid today. These people, many of them benefitting from one of the programs, would rather advocate the gutting of the very programs that help them survive, while denying others who need them care. They chant absurdities like not wanting to pay for someone else's "ticket," while there may be some who abuse the system, that doesn't speak for the overwhelming majority of those who don't. The ones they should really be angry with are the businesses receiving subsidies from the pool of social security and not cycling the funds back into the economy.
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This is a pretty full explanation of many "black" problems to date. The writer takes an objective approach to 12 very specific problems. You can't name one thing here we don't or haven't suffered exclusively worse than any other racial group.

It's time we get off our knees and do something about our problems.

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God is seldom great. These dubious concepts promote conflict, cruelty and suffering rather than love and peace
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PUPPY WEST 1 Year Old to be destroyed Fri Jan 16 Manhattan NY
West was the 'baby' of the family until a two legged baby was born, and West is now in our care. He's active and appropriately playful for a one year old pup. We're told that: he knows 'sit' and is housebroken, both talents he showed me during our time together. We're also told that he's active and likes to play with other animals, and gets along with everyone including children. West pulls on the leash as we walk and it's clear he's looking for his people. He stops and looks into every parked car we pass giving me reason to think his people had a car and he associates cars with them. Playful and energetic, he poses for pictures with the promise of a treat which he takes very gently from my fingers. His tail wags happily as other dogs approach and it seems he's be very happy with a play date! It was snowing hard when we were out, and he had no problems with a coat and bouncing around in the snow. West is an appropriately active dog for his age, and is looking for a forever home in which he'll get appropriate exercise and love, and who understands what a lifetime commitment is. Ask to meet our boy West today!
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Lovely dog you have
My dog does the same when he walks me HE PULLS
My dog is part bulldog and husky and got him 5 years ago for the same reason.
He is very dog friendly and lives in a community that hates dogs 
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This year a baby will be born with Hepatitis and Herpes Simplex 2. Thank you, America.
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Oh, my gosh! :'( That was enough to make my heart stop. I know someone who got herpes while they were pregnant and her son has it all over his body. He has sores that break open and ooze and he has to go to the doctor twice a week. I'm sure he's in a lot of pain, and I feel bad that he has to suffer for what his mother did. Kids are going to make fun of him in school, he'll be treated like an outcast, will probably never have a normal relationship. I feel so bad for him, but my daughter isn't allowed to play with him. America shares some of the blame, but people really need to start protecting themselves. I'm pretty sure there's medicine that can be taken while you're pregnant to prevent the spread of certain STDs. Reading that completely messed me up. 
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George Carlin Talks War And American Politics [Video]

The below video is a fantastic edit and really well presented. We hope you enjoy it.

George Carlin was always telling the hurtful truth, but  in a funny way to his audience. It is very sad that the US is a war country that unfortunately, the only thing America manufactures anymore is “War” for the Military Industrial Complex, and the many war profiteers. 
“Can’t build a decent car, can’t make a TV set or VCR WTF?… but we can bomb the shit out of your country alright!”

“And you probably notice I don’t feel about that war the way we were told we were suppose to feel about that war; the way we were ordered and instructed by the US government to feel about that war.”

“My mind doesn’t work that way. I got this real moron thing I do and it’s called thinking …and I’m not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions. I don’t just roll over when I’m told to.”
This above is one of my absolute favorite George Carlin quotes.
“Sad to say most Americans just roll over on command. Not me. I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me. Nothing. Zero. Nope! And I don’t take very seriously the media or the press in this country who in the case of the Persian Gulf War were nothing more than unpaid employees of the Department of Defense, and who most of the time, most of the time functions kind of as an unofficial public relations agency for the US government. So I don’t listen to them. I don’t really believe in my country, and I gotta tell you folks, I don’t get all chocked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I consider them, I consider them to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol minded.”

“Give these people a voting day every year so they’ll have the illusion of meaningless choice, meaningless choice  …”

George Carlin never pulled any punches and had the guts to tell it exactly the way he saw it. He’s a hero to me and to many countless others. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo
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I had a discussion with +mike peine​​​​ that was witnessed by, and on a post belonging to, +Craig Westbrook​​​​. I'm going to edit this with the entire dialogue.

This is an important discussion to have and I hope it will be shared thousands of times. There are tons of anti-socialists out there who don't actually know anything about social systems, or their actual benefits.

An understanding needs to be had about capitalism. Firstly, any unfettered socioeconomic infrastructure is a bad idea. Capitalism cannibalizes after globalization is accomplished. It's a system grounded in rapid expansion - meaning, it runs out when it matures. Socialism and communism alone will not commonly spur growth and technological advancement. However, educating oneself on Karl Marx and learning about actual socialism and communism, one learns that capitalism is not done away with, it evolves into socialism and then communism, appropriately so.

Socialism and communism are sustaining systems. A nation cannot properly grow without capitalism, true. But a nation cannot survive without socialism and communism for very long. Great civilizations of old [Egypt] were surprisingly able to accomplish this without capitalism because of the lack of currency. It's that simple. With currency, however, capitalism is needed as the motor, socialism would then be the engine, and communism would be the rest of the drive train. The civilization is the remaining parts of the vehicle. Easy enough, right?

The hard part is politics and convincing the people. This discussion identifies problems and explains how it would actually work. Follow along with your imaginations engaged and ask questions in a mature fashion. There are no weaknesses in this future.

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+mike peine What about free energy?

+James Marshall 40% of Ocean Wave Action is non stop . It will power ALL the worlds energy needs without pollution & keep ^$5TRILLION a YEAR in the worlds economy & out of the criminal hands of the .001% Company Store , that has suppressed it since 1780 in order to profit from OIL etc...  Watch the videos from The Scottish Government ? The devices self pay in 2 years as is , then pay you to use them .

+mike peine Oh, yeah, I know about that. Why post that here though? There are some other environmental posts I could definitely use your backup on. Do you follow +Armando Lioss​​​​?

+James Marshall yes environmental . These false wars are about OIL ! Oil that the world hasn't needed as a fuel since before 1780 . Make OIL obsolete & these false wars will end !  FALSE ENERGY is a ^$5TRILLION a YEAR criminal scam by the .001% ,  that enslaves the world in pollution , poverty & wars . So I guess you don't know about it ? The technology is public for a very short time , many videos have been deleted . Most anyone can build these devices , its 1780 technology COMPRESSED AIR which can power any converted fuel engine , even jets . Tell me please ?  just what is it that you know of it ?

+mike peine​​ You're preaching to the choir there. So many solutions we have. +Craig Westbrook​​​ has a method to burn water like gas, and it has no toxic runoff. It's just water vapor. That guy is, like, a master of chemistry to me. Even I didn't consider learning how to burn water, and I went to college for the first time for chemistry when I was 12. You'd think I'd have maintained my interest even after the program ended prematurely. Physics had a greater hold of me, I guess.

I've been complaining about the oil wars since I was in high school. I'm just tired of it all. I want clean, renewable energy and fuel that's economically sound. I learned about the compressed air in school, but it was an over simplified version of it. Essentially, the advent of electric motors and pump systems can play a very important role in reigniting the idea.

I've seen a solar powered jetliner concept I hope comes to life. The challenge is speed and noise reduction. I think they can still power the turbines without fuel, but they worry about flying at night. My solution is to charge it, or let it charge itself during the day, then have long flights supported by compressed air being forced out in bursts to lighten the load on the engines. The goal is to provide enough thrust for lift.

There are other things I'd like to pose but I don't want my comment to be too long. I'll give more after your next reply.

+James Marshall it takes 43 seconds to learn ocean wave action generation from the Scottish Government . (Hydraulics) The .001% owns the patent offices around the world . There are Linear Motors & Voice Coils that produce more energy than they consume , out of the box . They only need out side energy to start . I hope you take the time to learn the Hx of compressed  air since 1780 .  Only once this technology is known by all will other technology be allowed to publicly surface .  False Energy is still a ^$5TRILLION a year Monster to over come . Okay I know now what page you are on . Thx . You may find the answers you are looking for at my you tube channel etc... Enjoy & Please SHARE the videos by Oyster & Aquamarine .

+mike peine​​​​ I'll check it out for sure. We also have the American made solar roadway concept. This uses solar panels as tiles that replace asphalt. The US having all asphalt roads replaced with the paneling could independently power the entire world for the next 200 years minimum. It would also greatly decrease distractions and give rise to safer driving. Imagine being able to place copper coils in the tires of cars, and a pressure controlled rotary extension being deployed that changes the diameter of the rubber tire. The panels would be textured, for traction, and coated in something like gorilla glass. They'd also be heated by the action of static and kinetic action, plus small thermal coils inside to keep the temperature up to safe levels. Snow would melt and evaporate instead of forming slippery ice.

In warm weather the heating coils would be turned off.

Construction and maintenance would yield tens of thousands of steady jobs. Infrastructural maintenance would be safer, less costly, and a ton faster. Hybrids would dominate the roads and be able to charge themselves. Continuing, the exposed coper plates would then make contact with, well, the contact treads in the shoulder lane, and the vehicle would continue to slow down automatically. At a safe speed, the car would be guided by the current, and the driver can take a break while it charges. A flat rate could be auto deducted from the driver's account, something like $5 per full charge / $2.50 per partial charge of any amount. Once done, the driver can press a button to disengage and auto merge, or resume control and continue driving. Long trips have a second solution now.

To further support that, electrically powered hybrid vehicles can route spare power to a HUD that would provide additional information. Instead of external signage for, say, detours, it could be displayed on the windshield. Other signage would be displayed by the panels, thanks to the LED lights he added to the panels. School crossings, stops, various changes could all be posted efficiently and safely.

Hybrids would be the cars of the future. If one runs out of charge or fuel, it's purely their own fault at that point. Even a bottle of water would grant extra miles. This is a no lose solution. Compressed air? Now introducing the air brake to the consumer vehicle. Why should only large trucks and trains have this? A combination of technologies would solve all of those problems.

Also, with much lower costs, the auto industry would gain strength. More people would have cars. That's all from this one innovative idea. I haven't even brought mine into the picture yet.

I'm very glad to have this discussion with you.


This is a social idea and system. This is the progress you're fighting against. Please join the discussion. How would this destroy, or even hurt, business in anyway?
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I don't think it would destroy business completely, but businesses wouldn't be as rich, obviously. I think that's a good idea, everyone deserves a good quality of life and it's not fair the rich are the only ones with a high quality of life. Greed for money is the root of all evil. We're killing each other, and digging early graves for our children and grandchildren. As much as I'm hopeful for the future, I don't trust people to make the right decisions. 
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I'm here, I'm new, and I like to have interesting discussing with unique perspectives just to pick the brains of others. I'm not new to the lifestyle, though I'd like to find more fulfillment in living it.

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+DJ Vladinator Hopefully the post I just made helps kick things into high gear.
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She's right. They don't live in the real world anymore - if they were ever a part of it in the first place. They live in a world they created themselves; a figment of their imaginations.

I've been preaching about this for years. These people have an aversion to facts and history. They make shit up off the tops of their heads, fear monger, then use that to manipulate others into believing it. They have the most ridiculously warped logic I have ever observed. Arguing with a right wing nut is like arguing with a two year old.

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The insanities and fantasies at the heart of "American Sniper" explain everything about the state of the 2015 GOP
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Now boycotting +The Case Foundation​​

I made a comment that was phrased to invite you to inquire - since you don't focus on the changes I want to make. I did this in hopes you'd engage me in a discussion and possibly support my ideas, though they aren't really the types of ideas you had in mind. You removed that comment immediately.

This doesn't say much about your focus on social engagement. You don't strike me as a trustworthy foundation that wants to change the world in a positive way at all.
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Solar Is Creating Jobs Nearly 20 Times Faster Than Overall U.S. Economy

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Solar energy job creation outperformed U.S. economic growth in 2014 by 20 times, increasing 21.8 percent and adding far more jobs than fossil fuel industries
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