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Here's a weird idea....at the end of the final sequel movie, there IS no more "jedi" OR "sith".   The reason being that the events in the sequel  movies have led to everyone being able to tap into the force.

Hence:  "The Force Awakens".
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Uh, shouldn't this be about what the DAUGHTER wants?   Why is this addressed to the father as if this was an arranged marriage?

For another view of the religious ideas on marriage, get a load of John MacKay, a creationist with Creation Ministries International:
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=100664
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Ok.   Two problems here:

1) To me, ANYONE who says anything like "the atheist has no moral basis for objecting to (things like) murder, rape, etc" are the true sociopaths.

All they are doing is admitting that if they ever became atheists, that there would be nothing stopping them from doing those things.

Statements like "Why Does an "atheist" Condemn The Murders of Three "Evolved Bags of Protoplasm"? is just another example of the same thing.    Why should atheists value life less just because there is no "god" out there telling us to?

So what if we are just physical beings?   Why should that negate the fact that we have minds that can think and feel?   Studies in neurology through things like examination of those with brain injuries or diseases have their thinking and emotional abilities compromised.

Why do you people suppose that there is some "immaterial" soul? 

As for arguing about morality (and lots of other stuff!) in my huge "debate" with Jason Lisle. he kept outright dismissing any non-xian reason I could give as to why a non-believer would find those things like murder and rape to be wrong.

That's kind of why I gave that thread the title it has:
http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12286

Xian morality seems to be defined by obedience to god, and NOT by anything like: empathy, thinking of consequences to other people, or caring for society in general.

An example:
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=95965

Even worse is when I brought that quote up to Jason Lisle, the owner of the blog, this was his reaction:
http://www.jasonlisle.com/2012/11/09/deep-time-the-god-of-our-age/comment-page-2/#comment-7376

(Lisle says, quoting me at first:
Remember Joseph saying that it would be immoral to NOT kill a baby if god commanded it?

[Dr. Lisle: Joseph is right. What God commands is necessarily right. Any other definition of morality is ultimately arbitrary and therefore logically unjustified.])




2)  I'm sorry...what?   Using the "laws of logic" as evidence of your god?   Why?  Just because they are "immaterial"?   So what?  They are ideas.   They are mental tools that people have figured out through observation and experience to notice general ways in which reality around us runs. 

The laws of logic are NOT some magical being who can physically manifest into our world.  

One could use that piece of evidence to show the existence of any so-called "god/goddess", or ANY imagined being.  In fact, since it was the Greeks who first enumerated the laws of logic perhaps their pantheon is the one that exists?


I'm not going to join...I don't think I could stop from swearing at your presupp stupidity in a verbal format.  

Instead I'll just give a link to a site by an actual philosopher who has dealt with presupper Sye TenBruggencate many times:
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.ca/search/label/sinner%20ministries%27%20%22proof%20of%20the%20existence%20of%20god%22

Come to think of it, he does have a post or two about the "moral argument for god" which basically says one of the things that you people are saying in this video:
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.ca/2011/12/glenn-peoples-moral-argument-for-god.html
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I don't know if it's been posted yet, so I'll just post this link to a rebuttal of this partcular argument where the fallacies that Lisle commits here are shown:
http://unbelieversradio.com/2014/09/dr-jason-lisle-mathematics-proves-god/
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"You anger people and you wonder why they come after you".   Most ironic line in the video right here.
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What about the "wrath of god" for those who insult (ie. dishonour) other people's parents, you fat freak?

You know what I'm referring to.  If you want respect, you must earn it.   You have not.

You give tirades, threats and insults, but no fucking evidence for your side.

Put up or shut up.


Also:  Since you claim to be standing between us and god, you should either move out of the way so we can see him or you should loose a lot of weight.
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Speaking of the consequences of the so-called "biblical ideas" of marriage, you may be interested in creationist John Mackay of Creation Ministries International:

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=100664
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Hello?   I can't seem to get in.   Mind you, I don't have a lot to say...
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When that fool said that "I understand that you've abandoned your atheism to argue for a door", that was pretty much it for me.
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The "abandoned your atheism" quip is from the sye ten script, but he misapplied it here.  Biblethumpingmoron either completely missed mikes point about omnipotence, or he didn't have a prepared response for it so he just defaulted to "abandoned your atheism".  This is actually really funny.
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The stuff that you say, Ran and it's atheists who have the "devils' playground"?  And that all one has to do is to be a good christian to be put on the atheist target list? (around 12:10)

No.  They have to act dishonest and insulting like you.

And JD Kain does not say the shit that you do.

Arrogant?  This is arrogant:  To assume that anyone who is not a xian like you people is someone who "knows god exists" but just prefers to sin.  We get that a lot from people like you.

All that's needed is the knowledge that the person is not a xian, and those are the assumptions that you people make.

Now:  That is arrogant.
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Right on the money Reynold. 
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You fool.   That "privilege" you have of experiencing some of the "hate" that we supposedly have for your non-existent god (http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/5_reasons_to_suspect_that_jesus_never_existed/) is solely because you act like an asshole.  Not because we're mad at god or something.

Have some self-reflection for once and think about why people treat you with such contempt.
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I posted this on google plus, but I will repost here:
So:  At almost thirty-five minutes in, MG42pillbox said that atheists think that earthworms are just as complex as humans?

No.  Even though all life has been evolving since it appeared, it does not mean that all life has been evolving at the same rate, or undergoes the exact same genetic changes.

He refuses to accept something so simple? 

And to top it off, he distorts things again at the thirty seven minutes fifty five second mark by saying that "atheists think that earthworms are just as good as humans"?  And thanking you guys for it?

JD Kain, You are not dealing with an honest person here.   Remember his motivation.   I'd just maybe leave him be. 

Maybe.


This is his motivation, also as I posted on the google plus page:
I was given to understand the motive, the reason behind MG42pillbox's stubborrness and condescension  ("evotards", "brainless", etc).  

His father died, and he misses him very much.  His religious belief is the only hope he has of meeting him again.   Without that hope, he will totally loose it.  

I found this out in the same hangout that I was in with him.
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