Ok. Two problems here:
1) To me, ANYONE who says anything like "the atheist has no moral basis for objecting to (things like) murder, rape, etc" are the true sociopaths.
All they are doing is admitting that if they ever became atheists, that there would be nothing stopping them from doing those things.
Statements like "Why Does an "atheist" Condemn The Murders of Three "Evolved Bags of Protoplasm"? is just another example of the same thing. Why should atheists value life less just because there is no "god" out there telling us to?
So what if we are just physical beings? Why should that negate the fact that we have minds that can think and feel? Studies in neurology through things like examination of those with brain injuries or diseases have their thinking and emotional abilities compromised.
Why do you people suppose that there is some "immaterial" soul?
As for arguing about morality (and lots of other stuff!) in my huge "debate" with Jason Lisle. he kept outright dismissing any non-xian reason I could give as to why a non-believer would find those things like murder and rape to be wrong.
That's kind of why I gave that thread the title it has:http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12286
Xian morality seems to be defined by obedience to god, and NOT by anything like: empathy, thinking of consequences to other people, or caring for society in general.
Even worse is when I brought that quote up to Jason Lisle, the owner of the blog, this was his reaction:http://www.jasonlisle.com/2012/11/09/deep-time-the-god-of-our-age/comment-page-2/#comment-7376
(Lisle says, quoting me at first:
Remember Joseph saying that it would be immoral to NOT kill a baby if god commanded it?
[Dr. Lisle: Joseph is right. What God commands is necessarily right. Any other definition of morality is ultimately arbitrary and therefore logically unjustified.])
2) I'm sorry...what? Using the "laws of logic" as evidence of your god? Why? Just because they are "immaterial"? So what? They are ideas. They are mental tools that people have figured out through observation and experience to notice general ways in which reality around us runs.
The laws of logic are NOT some magical being who can physically manifest into our world.
One could use that piece of evidence to show the existence of any so-called "god/goddess", or ANY imagined being. In fact, since it was the Greeks who first enumerated the laws of logic perhaps their pantheon is the one that exists?
I'm not going to join...I don't think I could stop from swearing at your presupp stupidity in a verbal format.
Instead I'll just give a link to a site by an actual philosopher who has dealt with presupper Sye TenBruggencate many times:http://stephenlaw.blogspot.ca/search/label/sinner%20ministries%27%20%22proof%20of%20the%20existence%20of%20god%22
Come to think of it, he does have a post or two about the "moral argument for god" which basically says one of the things that you people are saying in this video:http://stephenlaw.blogspot.ca/2011/12/glenn-peoples-moral-argument-for-god.html