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Since +TestTube is relinking to that video, let's just point out that in that video, what +Trace Dominguez said +Bill Maher said wasn't what Maher actually said:

AFFLECK: A billion five.
MAHER: All these billion people don't hold these pernicious beliefs? 
AFFLECK: They don't.
MAHER: That's just not true, Ben. That's just not true.

Note the question, 'all these billion' ... that is to say 100% or all ... if 1% of the group holds one of the pernicious beliefs, than one cannot say that all do not hold that pernicious belief.

Further, what Affleck said about Maher's statement being 'gross and racist' was said BEFORE Maher and he had the above exchange ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60 ... Affleck says that at around the 1 minute, 55 second mark ... while the above exchange occurs around the 3 minute mark.  Affleck was saying that criticism of Islam by Maher and Harris is 'gross and racist' ... noting that both were saying it was Islam, not Muslims, they were critical of.

And Maher also knew about the number of Muslims in the world and agreed with Harris that it wasn't a criticism of Muslims, but of Islam ... the faith, not the people.

It then seems that Trace implies that Maher believes that Muslims, not Islam, are dangerous or evil (and that he's also racist and gross).

At no point did he says that all Muslims have the same beliefs as ISIS.  

It still amazes me that this hasn't been fixed, neither a correction made nor an apology expressed to this community, for clearly quote mining what someone said.
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There is a vast difference between 'loving cheating' and 'love catching a cheater'.  I do not think we actually love cheats, either the cheat itself or the cheater, but instead we enjoy catching people out on something.  The drive to find liars, cheats, etc. has been hammered into us as a necessity in a cooperative species where members can benefit from not cooperating ... we are ever on the lookout for those who want to subvert the general good for their own ends.
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Generally speaking I find that I 'fail' at a male gender performance when I try to take up as little space as possible, particularly on public transit.  This is not to say that I avoid taking up this minimal space, but that my performance isn't masculine anymore ... but I'm not sure that it's feminine either.  Physiologically I don't understand guys who say that they need more space for their junk ... there's lots of space down there guys, you just need to wear clothing that lets things move around ... unless, of course, one's penis is located between rather than in front of one's thighs ... then I can imagine having sex would also be a problem as instead of thrusting forward, one would have more of a squatting motion.
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Using demographics to predict how religions will grow is problematic ... as most atheists and agnostics were raised by religious parents ... there's a similar saying about gay people ... most of them come from heterosexual parents.  Better to look at the trends that drive the growth of each ... increased standard of living and happiness usually is correlated with an increase in people who declare themselves in the 'none' category.
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While it's Canada, and so not America, what do you think of the recent changes and backlash against the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (CPSO) rules surrounding moral objections to treat?  (This is all about doctors refusing to either provide birth control, emergency contraception, or abortions ... and some even refusing to write referrals to services they object to)
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Well +TestTube  ... since we're getting a relink to this, once again, let's just point out what +Trace Dominguez said +Bill Maher said wasn't what Maher actually said:

AFFLECK: A billion five.
MAHER: All these billion people don't hold these pernicious beliefs? 
AFFLECK: They don't.
MAHER: That's just not true, Ben. That's just not true.

Note the question, 'all these billion' ... that is to say 100% or all ... if 1% of the group holds one of the pernicious beliefs, than one cannot say that all do not hold that pernicious belief.

Further, what Affleck said about Maher's statement being 'gross and racist' was said BEFORE Maher and he had the above exchange ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60 ... Affleck says that at around the 1 minute, 55 second mark ... while the above exchange occurs around the 3 minute mark.  Affleck was saying that criticism of Islam by Maher and Harris is 'gross and racist' ... noting that both were saying it was Islam, not Muslims, they were critical of.

And Maher also knew about the number of Muslims in the world and agreed with Harris that it wasn't a criticism of Muslims, but of Islam ... the faith, not the people.

It then seems that Trace implies that Maher believes that Muslims, not Islam, are dangerous or evil (and that he's also racist and gross).

At no point did he says that all Muslims have the same beliefs as ISIS.  

It still amazes me that this hasn't been fixed, neither a correction made nor an apology expressed to this community, for clearly quote mining what someone said.
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What you described is a whole lot of ... guh ... wut ... and just head shakingly sad that someone would do that to anyone else.  I don't get it.  Some guys refuse to believe there is such a thing as 'male privilege' ... this is an example.
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You may not know this ... but if you're making money off of this video, you broke a TTC bylaw by filming on TTC property for 'commercial purposes' without getting written permission from the TTC.  I've been harassed by TTC employees for carrying a camera on a bus within the system ... <sigh>
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Regarding unequal pay ... even when all the factors +JaclynGlenn mentioned are considered (and yes, even FOX news has noted this) there is a pay difference between men and women that cannot be explained.  The numbers aren't nearly as bad as $0.6 or $0.7 per $1, but more like $0.9 per $1 a man makes.

Nonetheless, there are societal pressures and influences that drive women to make the decisions that were mentioned ... women are portrayed as the care givers, so they should stay home with newborns longer then men ... they should teach the next generation ... they should take jobs that involve taking care of people.  So the way society sees women makes women, as a group, take jobs and make decisions that reduce their income ... and that's something that we should take a close look at.  Are women truly better care givers?  Are there certain jobs that women are better at and jobs that men are better at?  If we can't find that this is true, than we need to address those aspects of society that pushes women into these roles.
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+sn3192 "would you have been happier if i'd phrased it as "another possibility"?" ... if that's what you meant, then yes, I would have and would be happier for you to say what you mean rather than something else.  That you seem content to change what you mean makes it difficult to determine what you actually mean.

"nurture has any significant role in what choices people make. you see, saying "it's both" doesn't always mean the proportion of one can't be negligible for certain things sometimes." ... oh god, let's try to unpack that to figure out what you're actually trying to say (because it's unclear).  

What do you mean by significant?  Consider fashion ... people wear different clothing based off of the era or society they live in ... they make a choice about what they want to wear and what they want to wear is what other people are wearing, so it has nothing to do with nature.  Other things, as determined in twin studies, have shown that they are much more nature driven ... it's a sliding grey scale.

Do you mean that: 'saying 'it's both' sometimes means the proportion of one of nature or nurture is significant for some things some of the time'?  I guess ... yes?  I'm not clear what you mean by that word jumble.

So, when economists take into consideration life choices, like choosing to stay at home, extended maternity leave, lower paying jobs so they can have more flexible hours, etc. essentially all the various factors that you, Jaclyn, or others have mentioned before, and YET there remains a difference ... we're not to prescribe it to the one element we haven't controlled for ... gender?  It sounds as if you're certain that economists are idiots for not considering those factors ... like how global warming skeptics think that climate scientists are idiots for not considering solar variation or whatever their particular hobby horse might be.

I'm not sure what info I'm supposed to be 'in on' so ... clarify?
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