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Floating navigation bars -- yes or no? (And if not, why?)

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Yes -- I like them. (+1 if you agree)
No -- they blow. (+1 if you agree)
I voted yes, but I have caveats. I want the navigation fixed to the top of the view - not following the window and bouncing around as I scroll - and it should not take up more than one out two em of vertical space. If it does, it is no better than some Yahoo or Google toolbar.
The thin bars like on Facebook or Twitter are fine. The thick one here on G+ is still OK but the real usability of the bar is the key I suppose.
That's true. I feel like the only really useful feature of the white lighter portion of the bar is the search box, though. Seems like they could pull that up into the top bar and it would work better.
I voted no. The only thing on G+ and Twitter's nav bars that I use is the link to the settings page, and I've never needed to get there so fast that I couldn't take the time to hit the home key.

+Adam Hošek G+'s bar is narrower than Twitter's. At least, for me it is...
Seems like folks are generally in favor of sensible floating navigation that conserves screen real estate. For Rands, what I'm trying to do is to encourage folks who are interested in a particular topic (management, design, writing, etc.) to have an easy way to pivot into that topic. I guess I also need to use tags more judiciously, too.
+Michael Lopp That seems like a reasonable use for a nav bar. However, I'm going to stick to reading your RSS feed, so I don't care if you go wild on your page layout. ;)
Set logic for tag groups would be pretty cool. Management + Design - Interviewing
Generally No, They break the abstraction of html pages are equal real paper pages. Since this abstraction has solidified over the life of the Internet, seeing floating anything is really jarring.

I read through or skim the whole page, then make the choice on where to go next. So i only need to see navigation links at the top and the bottom of the page.

They are also many times implemented rather poorly. (really jerky).
They seem helpful to me. I think they work on Google/Facebook because they help when switching between routines (e.g. opening your calendar from Gmail or replying to a message when reading a post on someone's wall). I think it would be helpful on a blog but probably not as helpful as the bottom-right box that appears on the NYT website when you reach the end of a story.

I don't think it would hurt anything though, and doesn't everybody love mice with scroll wheels so much because it makes it easy to zip back to the top of a webpage? The only thing easier than that is to have the header come to the user.
I voted yes - I think floating navigation bars are especially useful for sites on which it's important if users are logged in or out, and which account they're logged in as.
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